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CR-V vs Escape



  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Not a mistake. A person entered this room whom was non=bias. He/She quoted an article from a Magazine stating the CRV automatic made a 0-60 time of 11.3 seconds. The times you continue to quote are from a 5spd not an automatic. How can you "rev" the Escape to redline its an automatic? I personally have test drove an automatic CRV and there is no way it is as quick as the Escape. Anyone who tests drives and compares the two will feel the differnce immediatly.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,916
    I think it's called footbraking (as opposed to the transbrake device). Hard on the tranny, but it'll launch the car faster off the line.

    Steve, Host
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    OK, once again I will post prices, vin#'s and dealership names and phone numbers here at Edmunds this weekend. ONE time I made a mistake by puting in 2WD Escapes, ONE time. I will prove for the 4th time that the Escape in my region is less than a comparably equipped CRV.

    I am still waiting form the CRV crowd for a Dealership and a phone number and vin# for where you can get a CRV-EX for $20,500.... I am varmit? civc? whomever... prove it..!
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    You many include the name of dealership in your posts but no contact information such as telephone numbers.

    tidester, host
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    If you can buy a CR-V EX for $20,500 then there has to be some kind of incentive on it. Otherwise the dealer is losing a lot of money on each one and no Honda dealer I've ever come across will go for that. Asking for invoice insults them from my experience.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    "The times you continue to quote are from a 5spd not an automatic." - scape

    You are wrong. The TT article I am quoting compared an automatic CR-V to an automatic Escape.

    "How can you "rev" the Escape to redline its an automatic?" - scape

    Step on the gas hard and hold it down until the transmission shifts.

    If you are referring to clutch-drop launching, then Steve is correct regarding foot-braking. We remind you of this stuff every time 0-60 acceleration is brought up.

    And, BTW, for the sake of anyone else reading this stuff (for the 50th time)... Red-lining an engine and side stepping the clutch will not always result in the best acceleration times. It often results in way too much wheelspin and the car goes no where. As noted earlier, such an action would cause the CR-V's AWD to deactivate making wheelspin an even bigger issue.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    I guess I cannot give dealerhip phone numbers. If you are in question and want a dealership number e-mail me at

    Courtesy Ford
    05 Escape XLT 4x4 5 @ $20,875
    3.0 V6
    Full power options
    Speed control
    power 6way seats
    05 Escape XLS 6@ $15,675
    2.3 4cyl
    power options
    CD player
    This is Front wheel drive not 4x4..
    Dicks Mekenzie Ford
    05 XLS 3 @ 15,788 4x2 4cyl
    05 Escape XLS 17,988 4x4 4cyl
    05 Escape XLT 4x4 5 @ 20,488
    Landmark Ford
    05 Escape Limited 4 @ 21,777
    Leather, AC, 3.0 V6, Moon roof
    Now for Honda
    Tonkin Honda
    CRV EX auto
    MSRP of 23,040
    This is the lease for 279 a month, you need to put down $2,696 to get this lease. This is a lease, not a buy.
    Beaverton Honda
    CRV LX 4x4 lease
    249 a month. need to have 2,616 dollars down to get this lease price per month. MSRP is 20,890, sale price is 19,570.
    This is proof here folks. I am not going to type this all out again. An LX CRV for 19,570 vs an XLT Escape for $20,488. a 1000 dollar difference. The XLT has more options than an LX CRV. I called on the XLS Escape for $17,988. It is optioned with a 4cyl and very close to the CRV LX. A 1,500 dollar difference!
    Proof, you pay more for Honda products. Your resale should be better.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    CR rated the CRV as most reliable! LOL!! this is proof that bias runs at CR.. even with all the CRV recalls and the engine fire fiasco... There is bias at CR and it shows! I would have believed the Liberty, VUE, RAV4 orr even the Santa Fe as being most reliable over the CRV!
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,916
    Last I heard there were ~30 engine fires that triggered Honda's notice to dealers to check for double gaskets, etc. at the first oil change. Maybe 130 reports at the NHTSA of issues (not necessarily fires).

    I haven't about any Escape stalling issues lately - did Ford get that little fiasco fixed? Hmmm, the last report on an '03 stalling was back on June 7th; maybe the stalls are tapering off. (Complaint Number 10083407)

    Steve, Host
  • arizonajoearizonajoe Posts: 123
    By the way, the MSRP for the 2005 Escape keeps creeping up for some reason. The XLT 4WD started at $25090 (incl. destination), then went to $25120, and is now at $25295 - two increases in the same model year over a span of maybe five months. The rebate is $1500 or $1000, so I'm skeptical that you could actually buy one at the prices scape2 cited.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    That's exactly what I was pointing out a few posts back. All domestic, maybe some foreign too, manufacturers are practicing these sticker hikes. You are seeing bigger cash rebates these days but the stickers have gone up as well. The deals aren't always as sweet as they seem.

    The price of an XLT 4WD in 2002 when we bought our original Escape was much lower than what it is now, and with no rebates at all. Not even special financing.

    As for the ability to buy one at the prices scape is quoting, I too am skeptical. It's not that I don't believe the dealer is printing those prices in their ad, but I doubt that they will actually sell you anything at that price. Sounds like a bait and switch proposition to me.

    Either that or Escapes are not very popular in the Pacific Northwest. I know they are extremely popular in my area and pretty much "sell themselves" making advertisements and unbelievable deals on them scarce.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    offer to give dealership phone numbers and even Vehicle Identification numbers printed in the advertisments. If you don't believe me then just let me e-mail you the dealerships phone number so you can see for yourself! I could have given even more prices for Escapes but chose to hold back some.
    As far as Escapes/Tribs not selling well here, there are plenty of them on the road. I would say easily a 3 to 1 ratio of Escapes to CRV's...
    As I was going throught the paper looking at prices. I also noticed Honda's car/van/SUV line is just plain more expensive across the board. In comparing for example a Corolla to a Civic same trim level advertisment puts the Corolla at about $1,200 less than the Civic!@ This just enforces my feelings of Honda products as over priced and over rated. In other chat rooms across the internet people are starting to catch on to this very same feeling. What will Honda have when thier reputation of reliability fades away?
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    Posting the numbers from the ad is not proof that you can buy one at the specified price. Find someone who bought from there and give us a REAL OTD price.

    For example, I went into a Ford dealer late last year in response to an ad that told me I could buy an '03 Focus SVT 5-door with all the fixin's for some insane price. As it was I didn't qualify for the recent college grad rebate, specific dealer loyalty bonus cash, or military personnel rebate. AND because I am an X-Plan customer, and don't have to put money down, I wasn't going to put the $2000 down that was factored into the ad price. Therefore my price was a good $3000-$4000 more than what was in the ad.

    Needless to say, I didn't buy one.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,443
    you've got to read the 'small print' in any ad.
    we got our '04 limited for less than x-plan(before rebate). we did pay a dealer processing fee, which you shouldn't have to pay with x-plan.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    No incentives on the CR-V. Honda only does factory to dealer anyway.

    Taking into account the holdback, the CR-V EX w/AT has a cost of about $20680. Obviously if they sold every one at $20500 the dealership wouldn't stay in business very long. But they do sell them at this price.

    Honda's are not gold. They can be bought at or below invoice.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    There was no small print in the ad which is why I went in. I knew something was up but it was fun to test drive the SVT anyway. Great little car for the money.

    We got our Limited for the X-Plan price minus the rebate with special financing thanks to my wife's credit union. In my experience the dealers are always willing to "meet or beat" credit union rates.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    They have to be getting the money from somewhere. Selling anything for a loss is just plain stupid.

    I don't know how Honda's dealer cash works exactly but they could be using un-used cash from another model, which is available after ripping some uninformed customer off, to sell the CR-V's for less.

    How else can you justify a salesman throwing his/her commission out the window and giving the business a loss? The money has to be there somewhere. Honda just does a good job of hiding it.

    Kind of like their TSB lists. :)
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    I don't argue with their business model. They seem to be doing pretty well.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Good article from the AP. More to follow:
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    I don't argue with their business model. They seem to be doing pretty well.

    Are you referring to Honda or Honda dealers. I don't think they are one in the same much like how Ford dealers are NOT owned and/or operated by FMC.

    I'm quite sure the Honda business model does not include losses on sales.
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