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  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    my Continentals at about 50K.. and they probably could Proper rotation/inflation make a huge difference..
    But wait a minute. They are not on a Honda product so they will last all about 50 miles, since they are on a Ford product. ;)
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    "70,000 miles is nothing for a Honda. We have told you before and will tell you again, come back when you have over 150,000 -- 200,000 miles."

    The never ending "My Honda went a gazzillion miles with no oil changes, or gas by that matter" stories.. yet when someone says a Ford, GM, product goes 150,000 its "No way, its not a Honda" syndrome...

    I was told by folks just like you, my Escape was unreliable, never going to last, going to be problematic.. spreading fear and uncertaintity like most Honda folks like to... yet I now have 70,000 TROUBLE FREE read again TROUBLE FREE miles on my Escape. Proved you and all other Honda fans wrong. This is what you all hate. An actual Ford/Mazda owner with proven track record with this vehicle. One that posts and spreads the word.. You don't have to pay the extra $$ for that silver "H" to have a great reliable vehicle.. :P
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Ever wonder why cars/trucks with manual transmissions are usually quicker 0-60? Nuff said..

    Nope, I've never wondered, because slipped clutch or drop clutch launches are generally faster than brake-torqued automatics, not because they holding the same speed for eternity. Nuff said.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I was told by folks just like you, my Escape was unreliable, never going to last, going to be problematic..

    But not BY us were you told that your car wouldn't last...that's been mostly you, bud.
    You seem to be the one spreading uncretainty, but it seems to be YOUR OWN uncertainty, otherwise you wouldn't be the ONE BRINGING IT UP.

    "70,000 miles is nothing for a Honda. We have told you before and will tell you again, come back when you have over 150,000 -- 200,000 miles."

    The never ending "My Honda went a gazzillion miles with no oil changes, or gas by that matter" stories.. yet when someone says a Ford, GM, product goes 150,000 its "No way, its not a Honda" syndrome...


    Again, it's not because it "isn't a Honda" that people aren't impressed...I've told stories of our neighbor's 1993 Taurus that as of last year had 140,000 miles, with minimal problems/repair costs. It's a Ford, and it's been reliable, but it has twice the miles of your car (at least, b/c that 140k mile figure was last year), and speaks much better to Ford's quality than does 70k miles.

    My dad has an Accord with 47k miles on it and hasn't spent a dime to repair a thing; that's not impressive though, as any car over $10k SHOULD give you service to 100k miles with few problems. It's when you get to the 125k+ miles-range that things start failing on the average car (for example, my main cooling fan motor went out at 135,000 miles or so). It's not because it "ain't a Honda", it's because its still young!

    Don't go down that "pay for a Honda" road again unless you enjoy chatting with yourself about it, because that dead horse is just about decomposed by now. In your area, Escapes are supposedly cheaper, in mine and many others that have posted here, things are otherwise (CR-V's are cheaper when equipped comparbaly to Escapes).
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Posts: 2,882
    " You don't have to pay the extra $$ for that silver "H" "

    You're right, no one does. If you are, then you're a sorry negotiator.
  • midwesttradermidwesttrader Posts: 291
    I no longer have time for this room, the never ending silver "H" syndrome.

    Congratulations scape you lasted two whole days without posting here. I was about to say "Good Night and Good Luck" too.

    spreading fear and uncertaintity like most Honda folks like to

    A wise host told me this forum is supposed to be about the cars and not the people.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,982
    Let's take a breather and let the new model info develop; maybe Ford will have something up its sleeve to counter the third generation CR-V later this year.

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,982
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  • School's back in session... does that mean we are through with recess?
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,982
    Depends on how hot it gets in here; an occasional recess is good now and then. :shades:

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  • That's certainly true enough!

    So, is the Escape gonna go away anytime soon, or get a redesign? Or is the Edge supposed to take the Escape's place?
  • Yes, the Edge is going to replace the aginig Escape. Aside from the awkward styling, it appears to be quite competitive. Ford is predicting some great gas mileage figures on it as well.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    Yes, the Edge is going to replace the aginig Escape.

    So where did you get this info from?

    2008 Escape
  • My apologies, I thought only the Tribute was making a re-appearnce. So then, what is the point of the Edge?
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    No need to apologize. ;) I thought something changed since Edmunds posted that pic that's all.

    The point of the Edge is to offer a mid-size CUV (the Escape is small now by comparison) that gets decent fuel mileage, has lots and lots of power, and an interior on par with the top of the heap in it's class. All at a reasonable price. If it's a hit, Ford can take one of the nails out of the coffin.

    If you want something with three rows then you'll have to look to the Pilot, Highlander, or the Mazda CX-9 which goes on sale in the Spring. The Mazda looks the most appealing to me right now as it will have the 265 HP Duratec35, AWD, three rows of seats, and here's the catch, you don't have to take a car seat out to access the third row of seats. Mazda developed some system where the second row slides forward and allows you to get back to the third row with relative ease. Pretty cool if you ask me!
  • So then, what is the point of the Edge?

    I'm guessing it shall also compete with the new Unibody SUVs coming from GM? (GMC Acadia, Buick Enclave, Saturn Outlook) pictured here:image

    They have 3.6L engines w/ ~265hp, 3 row seating, and more interior space than a Tahoe or Suburban (if I remember correctly).

    It seems the 8 passenger, unibody, V-6 Pilot started a trend! Other than MDX, was there another 7/8 passenger unibody SUV out there before the Pilot? If so, I'm not aware of it, and certainly nothing from domestics.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    i'm glad to see the the cr-v now has a top hinged rear liftgate. too bad they took away the seperate opening glass.
    kind of like having a car door where the window doesn't roll down. jmo (as usual). :)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    um, think murano, rx-3??(or highlander), etc...
    8 passengers, unibody, v-6? chrysler started that with the caravan. ;)
  • So does that make the Edge a replacement for the Freestyle?
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    So does that make the Edge a replacement for the Freestyle?


    Nope. The Freestyle will carry on as well. Look for some new styling, think Fusion/Edge grille for starters, and the 265 HP Duratec35 sometime early to mid-2007. However with the addition of the Duratec35 to the Freestyle, and Five Hundred FWIW, the CVT goes away and the GM/Ford developed 6-speed ATX takes its place.

    Eventually the Escape will have to get the Duratec35, along with the Mustang and Explorer, as their engines, Duratec30 and Cologne 4.0, are goine bye bye within the next couple of years. The good news about the Duratec35 is not just that it makes 265 HP/250 ft-lbs out of the box WITHOUT VVT or anything of the sort on regular 87, but that it is hybrid and turbo/supercharge capable too. Just imagine what they can do with it in the future.
  • So ford is going to have 3 vehicles roughly the same size, price and capability fighting it out for sales... Strange approach, almost GM like!

    I think I liked the original plan where the Frestyle was going to be exclusive to Mercury (MetaOne) and then the Edge can go to Ford. Meanwhile, Lincoln can pluck one from each brand to "BLING" as an upper crust model.

    The advantage is two fold, eleiminate the in-fighting on the Ford lots and differentiate the Merc lineup by adding an exclusive model.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    So ford is going to have 3 vehicles roughly the same size, price and capability fighting it out for sales...

    Actually they'll have a mini, mid, and full size CUV when all is said and done. Most other manufacturers have either a mini/mid or mid/full combo offered.

    Rumor is Ford is working on an all new mini CUV and the full size Fairlane (concept last year, name may change) CUV is already a go. When those are ready I would imagine two of the current models will disappear or their names will get moved over to the new models.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Here is the update on the Escape vs. CR-V in my household. CR-V gets regular oil changes at home, so does the Escape. But Escape seemed to have developed fear of rain. Whenever it rains, 30 minutes into it, the radio quits. There is no AM nor FM nor CD, nothing. Dealership replaced the radio once, but the problem persists. Looks like Escape is due for a lengthy "vacation" at the dealer to chase the electric gremlins away. Both werfe bought in the Spring of 2005. CR-V has almost 20,000 miles, while Escape is barely up to 10,000. Guess which one we prefer for long distance drives, and general weekend getaway? Hint, CR-V gets close to 30 mpg.
  • um, think murano, rx-3??(or highlander), etc...
    8 passengers, unibody, v-6? chrysler started that with the caravan.


    The Murano, RX350, and Highlander are different though; they only seat 5. The Pilot seats 8, and debuted in 2002... not sure of any that seated more than the average minivan (7) before then.

    True about the minivan; it's still the best alternative to those moving people more than cargo/trailers.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    escape, edge, freestyle are 3 distinct vehicles. escape/cr-v match up as do freestyle/pilot. edge does not have a honda equivient.
  • escape, edge, freestyle are 3 distinct vehicles. escape/cr-v match up as do freestyle/pilot. edge does not have a honda equivient.

    I would still put the Pilot/Edge closer than the Pilot/Freestyle. The Pilot seats 8 versus 6 for the Freestyle, as well as has a locking 50-50 4WD system, something that I don't believe the Freestyle offers. It also has the high-up SUV height position that most SUV shoppers want, whereas the Freestyle is more tall-wagon-esque, offering more of a station-wagon style.

    I'd put it at Escape-CRV (5 seaters), Edge-Pilot(7/8 seaters), with Freestyle (6-seater) on its own.

    Maybe we can agree to disagree, it's no biggie.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    Edge-Pilot(7/8 seaters), with Freestyle (6-seater)

    The Edge only seats 5 and the Freestyle can seat up to 7. Something new in the next year or two will be the 7/8 seater for Ford.

    FWIW, I'd like to see you, or anyone else for that matter, fit 8 people comfortably in a Pilot. My Explorer has more third row room in it but Ford only recommends 2 people sit back there and rightfully so.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,863
    "I would still put the Pilot/Edge closer than the Pilot/Freestyle. The Pilot seats 8 versus 6 for the Freestyle, as well as has a locking 50-50 4WD system, something that I don't believe the Freestyle offers. It also has the high-up SUV height position that most SUV shoppers want, whereas the Freestyle is more tall-wagon-esque, offering more of a station-wagon style."

    You have obviously never driven a Freestyle. The seating position is very high - it seems very similar to the position I had in my CR-V. And you don't have to climb into the seats - you just move straight in.

    I can fit into the FS third row - comfortably, and I'm 6 feet. The design is simply outstanding. The FS is styled very much like the Explorer. I have seen the FS and the Explorer from a high rise, and they look almost identical.

    The FS is a couple inches wider and a couple inches lower. It doesn't tow much (2000 lb), but gets 30% or so better MPG than the Explorer. It gets better highway MPG than the Pilot, though the in-town can be around 19, which isn't much better than the pilot.
  • You have obviously never driven a Freestyle.

    I'm not sure how you find it "obvious", but I have ridden in it's cousin, a Five Hundred.

    The Edge, last I heard from Ford, came with a 3rd row seat option for a few hundred dollars. If that doesn't seat 7, how many does it seat?

    I wasn't trying to knock one car or another, I was only making a prediction of how I think these cars will be compared in the market.

    The Freestyle, to me, screams station wagon. That doesn't bother me, as I even liked our (gasp!) minivan we had for nearly 6 years. Very practical, good on gas for its size...

    The Edge and Pilot have the look of SUVs, whereas the Freestyle looks similar to the Chrysler Pacifica wagon. Honestly, I think I like the looks of the Freestyle the best out of all the cars mentioned in this conversation; the Pilot is starting to look old, the Explorer screams bland, the Edge looks like my Gilette razor on the front, while the Freestyle is more like an Audi Allroad Wagon... clean, contemporary, and just a little bland (I'm ok with bland, it keeps cars from looking out-of-date after ten years!)

    Hope you don't mind, I responded to two posts with just one answer.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,863
    "I'm not sure how you find it "obvious", but I have ridden in it's cousin, a Five Hundred. "

    It was "obvious" because you would have known of the high seating position if you'd driven or ridden on a FS. If you haven't ridden in the FS, you haven't experienced how much the driving position resembles an SUV. Also, most 500's don't have the CVT of the FreeStyle.

    I also did not mean to be critical, but the driving position was one of the big selling points of the FreeStyle for me.

    If you look at the FS, the roof over the third seat is raised by about 2 inches. The roofline is cleverly hidden by the roof rails.

    I don't think the Edge will have that kind of room.
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