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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,453
    At the Mazda chat tonight, a Chicago Mazda owner just lost her dealership - the property is converting to condos and it was the last dealer "in the city."

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  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    At one time I liked the Mazda brand. The 626 from the 80's, the MX-6 and a few others. But since they got in bed with Ford, not for me. And apparently not for Chicago either. Hardly see any of them on the streets. Hondas on the other hand....they are everywhere. But that means nothing of course.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I do like what Mazda attempts to stand for, certain corporate obligations seem to shoot them in the foot though.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    I guess scape2 doesn't want to tell us himself what vehicle he got to replace his Escape so I did some detective work (really not that hard) and I believe it was a Fusion. At least he was consistent and bought another Ford product.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,453
    "October sales for the Ford Escape (9,603) lifted the vehicle's lifetime sales to more than 1 million. The Escape has been the best-selling small utility vehicle in the United States since it was introduced in late 2000. Cumulative sales now total 1,001,186."

    Ford's U.S. Sales Rise for the 2nd Straight Month (earthtimes.org)

    Not to steal Varmint's thunder, but here's another sales blurb on the CR-V:

    "Sales of the all-new 2007 Honda CR-V totaled 20,413, representing an increase of 95.7 percent in its first full month of sales while shattering the previous all-time record by 3,744 units from July 2005."

    All-New CR-V Sets All-Time Sales Record (Yahoo)

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  • daryll44daryll44 Posts: 306
    Here is the bottom line on CRV vs Escape:

    I recently bot an '07 CR-V EX-L that will eventually be my daughter's car. I want it to last 10 years. I really liked the Mercury Mariner ('Scape) too. But here is what I asked myself:

    In 5-6 years, which vehicle is going to have the least odds of generating "dad, the light is on/won't start/dealer wants $1500/help" calls. End of discussion.

    Remember, Consumer Reports says that an 8 year old Honda has less defects than a 3 year old Ford. Case closed. And this is from a guy who LIKES Fords.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    I guess scape2 doesn't want to tell us himself what vehicle he got to replace his Escape so I did some detective work (really not that hard) and I believe it was a Fusion. At least he was consistent and bought another Ford product.

    How is he going to tow his 6500 lbs trailer that he boasted Escape did?

    It was probably the poor fuel economy that made him look for a Sedan. I hope he got a 4 cylinder Fusion, because the V6 will drink just as much as Escape did.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    He got a top-line SEL V6 Fusion I believe.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,671
    that is one way of looking at it. i wish you good luck.
    what is a 'defect'?
    our '04 escape has had some issues. it still is a good vehicle to live with.
    i took it on a trip in september, about 900 miles. overall, averaged 23 mpg, same as epa highway. pretty good considering the conditions of the trip. the most important part was that is was a good road trip vehicle.
    CR works for some people, but not everyone.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Still don't quite understand if the Escape will live on or if the Edge replaces it. If the latter, doesn't make sense to me to retire a vehicle with >1,000,000 in sales. People do like consistency. How many vehicles (besides full fledged trucks) does Ford have around from the 70's? Honda has at least two, the Accord and the Civic. What am I missing? It's late and the synapses aren't firing.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,453
    Apparently it's going to live on:

    FV Report: 2008 Ford Escape undisguised (Straightline)

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  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    "Well here it is in full production trim, the 2008 Ford Escape. We've seen various prototypes of this lightly redesigned SUV over the past year, but now the refreshed Escape looks ready for its debut at the L.A. auto show later this month. Changes to the exterior are obvious while the interior upgrades are harder to spot. Not surprisingly the cabin looks similar to the already unveiled Mercury Mariner although the Escape has less brightwork and cheaper looking black plastic trim. Look for the 2008 Ford Escape to go on sale early next year."

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    Yuck. :lemon:
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    Note that that '08 Escape in those pics is a hybrid. It is evidenced by the battery exhaust vent in the rear driver's side cargo window. I also doubt that those are the production interior materials but rather rough models of what will really show up in production.

    That's also a poor quality picture mind you. Kid of whitewahsed and too much light.
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    Evidently you never followed Steve's link, above my post..... ;)
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    Evidently you never followed Steve's link, above my post...

    Sure I did. How do you think I knew to point out that it is a hybrid in those pictures? I too don't really like the exterior all that much but you still have to remember that you're looking at a pre-production hybrid which could be totally different from the mainstream model XLT. Let's wait for more pics of the big seller before passing judgement. Hybrid owners obviously don't care as much for looks right? :P
  • I've had lots of Fords, and they've all been great!
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,453
    You've found a better place for your fuel question so I'll remove the one in here.

    On another topic, just to get ahead of the curve, recalls happen. ;)

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  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    Usually when they bring green-lighted vehicles to public auto shows, that is, substantially, the production model. ;)
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    Usually when they bring green-lighted vehicles to public auto shows, that is, substantially, the production model.

    It doesn't say where those photos were taken, when they were taken, or that they are of the copy that will appear at the L.A. or any other auto show. How then do you come to such a conclusion?

    I fully understand how you can think it's ugly but you're not looking at pictures that are even half decent. Plus it's white. How many vehicles do you know of that look great in white? Wait for the official production version to pass judgement.

    It also still has a black rear bumper and some other unpainted trim pieces. Do you think those will make it to production too? It's a semi-ready for production mule and that's it.
  • daryll44daryll44 Posts: 306
    You mockingly ask: "What is a defect"?

    A defect is when the leather in the seat wears out at 25,000 miles (like my '99 Explorer). A defect is when the airbag light comes on at 20,000 miles and requires three trips to the dealer to fix it. ('99 Explorer). A defect is when the emergency brake pads need to be replaced because the cable froze up ('99 Explorer). A defect is when your 21 year old daughter calls and says: "Dad, the Ford "check engine" light is on AGAIN.

    It can happen with Honda too. But if you had to bet $25,000 on one versus the other, c'mon......
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    I posted about the inside of the vehicle....whatever your thoughts, you are making this stuff up out of whole cloth, as I posted an interior shot, and the color is tan or beige, not white, and if you read the story, it seems to be a down-scaled Mariner.

    And the photo quality, on my monitor is quite good.....time to buy a LCD. :)
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,793
    First the CR-V, now the Escape:

    "Complaints of engine compartment fires in Ford (F.N: Quote, Profile, Research) Escape sport utility vehicles has prompted an investigation by U.S. safety regulators, the government said on Friday.

    The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration preliminary review covers more than 600,000 vehicles from the 2001-03 model years and includes the Mazda Tribute, which has some similar design features. No complaints were received about the Mazda vehicle."

    Fires in 2001-2003 Escape and Tribute
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,453
    It's just a probe (if you pardon the Ford pun). :shades: Have to skim the Escape boards for ABS issues I guess.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,671
    sorry you had those problems, but a good service department can take care of those the first time.
    peronally, if feel a 25k escape or cr-v is over priced.
    my wife wanted an escape limited, so i worked to get the best deal i could on one. neither is the be all - end all of vehicles.
    check the cr-v forums, they don't give me any confidence.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    check the cr-v forums, they don't give me any confidence.

    None of the forums are very confidence inspiring... A lot more people are willing to voice their opinion when they have had bad service from a vehicle than those that have no problem.

    Just my thoughts on all the forums.
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    Exactly right, Graduate.

    Enthuasists forums have a tendency to be long on opinions and very short on facts. The expectations of buyers posting here and other places seems to be of a flawless vehicle. Even here, people seem to think 25K is an expensive car, yet sales statistics show they are not, when you look at what the majority are actually buying..... ;)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,671
    i don't get your point, other than ther eare no flawless vehicles.
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    I don't think I am capable of altering what I said for you to be able to understand then.

    Sorry. :(
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