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CR-V vs Escape

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    LOL ;)

    Don't forget their foreign cousins, Panel and Floor.
  • kandyrkandyr Posts: 6
    Your message seemed like a good place to get some input. I am looking for a $20-24,000 SUV and I recently test drove the 2008 Escape XLT and a 2007 Honda CRV. I really wanted to fall in love with the CRV because I know it will last. Right now I'm leaning to the Escape only because of the ride. I'm 55 and I want a smooth ride. I'm in my car approximately 1:15 M-F and a smooth ride is very important. The other thing is being able to get in and out of the car/SUV comfortably (not too much pressure on the knees.Ouch!) I also found the Escape to be quieter and the two passengers in the back seat said the Escape was more stable feeling. I've never owned a Ford so I am a little afraid. However, my daughter did own a Civic and drove it until the wheels almost feel off. I may go test drive the Saturn, Mitsubishi Outlander and Suzuki. Any comments will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
  • pisulinopisulino Posts: 78
    Good consumer, test drive them all and find your sweet spot.
    I have done the same and end up purchasing the Suzuki GV Luxury. There is no other SUV with so many standard options and low price. For sure you can get it for about $3K under MSRP/20K fully loaded. Is not the best on gas but I'm very impressed. (best kept secret)
    See specs and good luck:
    Here are only the safety features

    Engine block heater
    4 Mode 4WD (4H, 4H LOCK, 4L LOCK, Neutral)
    Centre Differential LSD (Limited Slip Differential)
    Dual front airbags
    Front seat-mounted side airbags
    Side-curtain airbags
    ABS with EBD (Electronic Brake Force Distribution)
    Centre high-mounted rear stop lamp
    Brake assist
    ESP** (Electronic Stability Program) with traction control
    3-point ELR seat belts (all 5 seating positions)
    Height-adjustable front seat belt anchors
    ISO-FIX child safety seat provisions (2 rear)
    Child seat tether anchorage (3 rear)
    Child-proof rear door locks
    Daytime running lights
    Side impact beams
    http://www.suzukiauto.com/sr_07/grand_vitara/specs_and_pricing.php
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    What were the negatives with the CR-V?

    CR-V is lower to the ground, so getting in and out should be easier than Escape.

    Your definition of a smooth ride may be different from mine. I want the car to talk to me, to tell me what the road is like, what the engine is doing... stuff like that. If you want total isolation from the outside, Buick or Lexus should fit the bill here.
  • kandyrkandyr Posts: 6
    We do have different definitions. I'm at stage in my life where I want a dependable engine but I'm not interested in listening to it. If something goes wrong under the hood, I hope I'll be able to tell. I don't want to know what the road is like, except for any potholes up ahead. A smooth ride for me means not feeling the bumps. As far as being lower to the ground, that's worse if your knees aren't in good shape. By the way, I drive a 1992 Buick LeSabre with all the bells and whisltes..I love it, but it's time to give it up. Getting in and out of it, even though it's not really close to the ground, can be painful at times. And, I do love the isolation it has afforded me. If only I could afford one now. I want to thank you very much for your input. It really helps to put all of this stuff into perspective. Thanks again.
    Kandyr
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    By the way, I drive a 1992 Buick LeSabre with all the bells and whisltes..I love it, but it's time to give it up. Getting in and out of it, even though it's not really close to the ground, can be painful at times. And, I do love the isolation it has afforded me. If only I could afford one now.

    Have you priced a Buick (what would be the equivalent now to the LeSabre, Lucerne?). Maybe when new they might be out of your price range, but like most domestics they depreciate like a rock. You can probably pick up a one or two year old Buick for 60% of it's original price. Since entry to the vehicle is important what about a Buick SUV or Crossover. A used Rendezvous might fit the bill. I admit I'm not up on my Buicks.
  • pisulinopisulino Posts: 78
    For what you looking for, perphas the Santa Fe will be the smoother ride of all....
    Haven't tested the new Mitsu Outlander.

    All others are a bit of bumpy due to the harder suspension. Remember that some of the Small SUVs are built for some off-roading (suzuki and others).
    The Santa Fe seems to be smooth for city driving purposes.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Let me chime in here. As an ex Escape owner.. My 01 Escape XLT V6 4WD lasted over 70,000 miles with no problems. I used it to tow two watercraft and visit my favorite fishing/skiing spots in the Cascade mountains here in the North West. My wife owns an 04 Mazda Tribute ES V6 4WD with over 30,000 trouble free miles and it is also used to tow and visit the Mountains for skiing/fishing. Check the MSN reliability data and it will show you the Escape is every bit as reliable as a CRV. Plus, you can actually bargain with a Ford dealer and get a lower price/financing than a comparably equipped CRV. Go with the Ford/Mazda/Mercury.. you won't be dissappointed.
  • Plus, you can actually bargain with a Ford dealer and get a lower price/financing than a comparably equipped CRV.

    Scape get out on the net and check your facts. Many people, including myself are successful in bargaining with Honda dealers. I bought a CR-V EX AWD with auto transmission and about $300 in Honda accessories for right at $22K. MSRP for all that was $24,362. How can you possibly say they won't deal?
  • crvme3crvme3 Posts: 140
    Ditto... I am in complete agreement with midwesttrader, Honda dealers will deal? remind us all they just like everyone else are in the business to sell cars. I don't really understand why people seem to take the salespersons word on price as "gospel" make offer, salesperson counters - the game begins! it's not that difficult. if they won't play go somewhere else that will. I got over $900 off our CRV EX-L just by doing this! (and this was back at beginning of Dec. '06 when demand was high & supply low) IMO you should be able to do even better now. Just my thoughts...
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    a correction.. my wife actually reminded me we had 75,000 trouble free miles on our Escape.. :shades:
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    You should have held on to your Escape and put a few miles on it to see if the quality is improving! Life, at least in a Honda, hasn't really begun until after 100,000 miles!

    :shades:

    PS - What did you get for your Escape when you had to get rid of it???
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    You guys must be new (or at least new to this discussion). Despite literally thousands of posts from Honda buyers to the contrary right here on Edmunds, someone keeps insisting that everyone pays MSRP for their Honda.
  • crvme3crvme3 Posts: 140
    drive62 - I am not clear on your message. Are you indicating that my post (#8190) states everyone pays MSRP?... If so, read it again... believe me quite the contrary
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    The poster you replied to is the one I refer to. I'm pretty familiar with how Honda's can be had for a good deal, I'm going on 20 years of owning Honda vehicles.
  • crvme3crvme3 Posts: 140
    Cool... thanks for clearing that up.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Well, we're just feeding the bear with every reply to that poster when we tell the truth that Honda dealers DO deal, and that sweeping assumptions made by someone who hasn't recently dealt with a Honda dealer do not help anyone involved.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    I was given $11,000 for trade in at a dealership. Paid $21,800 and paid .9% interest over a 4 year loan. It was an XLT V6 with tow pkg, power, tint, 6CD, roof rack, side step bars, A/C very well optioned.

    I post that my Escape went 75,000 trouble free miles. My wifes Tribute ES V6 has 30,000 trouble free miles. See a pattern here? I get the normal Honda response. "Should have gone 150, million miles" Blah, Blah.. response. Fact is the Escape/Tribute is every bit as reliable as a CRV. Just live with it can you?
    As far as pricing. Get out on the net and read other chat rooms. It is no secret that Honda products are more expensive upfront and in financing than Ford products. This is a no brainer. Trying to convince folks they aren't doesn't bode well for your reputation. ;) By the way, why is it "feeding the bears" when a Ford person arrives? :sick:
  • crvme3crvme3 Posts: 140
    scape2 try to keep things in perspective. Your comment ""feeding the bears" when a Ford person arrives?, you have to understand Honda owners are a loyal bunch & after all you are on a HONDA CHAT FORUM!!! so some anomosity towards your Ford is just human nature. Your escape went 75K! did something major happens at that mileage? if so then you will have to admit this is a little premature. IMHO Ford,GM have to be willing to deal & go the extra mile ... Why? because they are both in very serious financial trouble. Why do you suppose that is?. I am of the opinion that Honda owners buy for the long haul, & typically keep their vehicles around 10+ years (pass them down to the kids etc.) So yes we pay a little more up front, but do so gladly with the knowledge that Honda Motor company is financially sound & will be around for years to come!. Our 1st Honda '77 accord (bought used) sold in '87 with 209K miles no major repairs. 2nd '85 Prelude (bought used) sold '01 with 247K miles no major repairs. 3rd. '92 accord (bought new) sold in '04 110K miles no major repairs. 4th. '00 Civic (bought new/still have) with 66K no major repairs (yet) 5th '07 CRV (bought new/still have) & I am sure this mileage/repair ratio will continue. So if your Escape works for you thats fantastic, but as previously stated if you talk about your Escape on a Honda forum be prepared for a little flak. :)
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,850
    By the way... This isn't necessarily a Honda chat forum.. It is just linked to the CR-V discussion..

    It actually resides on the SUV board..

    regards,
    kyfdx

    MODERATOR
    Prices Paid, Lease Questions, SUVs

  • crvme3crvme3 Posts: 140
    Oops... my bad! thanks for the correction
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Some people just have different ideas of a long-lasting car. I'm not at all saying his Escape COULD NOT go 175k miles with only a couple of minor repairs here or there, but tell somebody "my car is up to 75k miles now" these days, and they generally won't be surprised/impressed. Heck, that's only three years of driving for me.
  • crvme3crvme3 Posts: 140
    I hear you, been in the auto repair industry in one form or another for over 25 years now... IMO any car is good as gold for the first 5 years, around year 6-7 the domestics just seem to start going downhill (but with anything there are exceptions) the big 3 Japanese (Honda,Toyota,Nissan) at the 6-7 year point & beyond just seem to hold up better. Seems sad our big 3 can't or won't produce the same qaulity & longivity... could this be 1 reason why they are in financial trouble?
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Let me chime in here. As an ex Escape owner.. My 01 Escape XLT V6 4WD lasted over 70,000 miles with no problems. I used it to tow two watercraft and visit my favorite fishing/skiing spots in the Cascade mountains here in the North West. My wife owns an 04 Mazda Tribute ES V6 4WD with over 30,000 trouble free miles and it is also used to tow and visit the Mountains for skiing/fishing. Check the MSN reliability data and it will show you the Escape is every bit as reliable as a CRV. Plus, you can actually bargain with a Ford dealer and get a lower price/financing than a comparably equipped CRV. Go with the Ford/Mazda/Mercury.. you won't be dissappointed.

    Sure Escape made it up the hills, but lost about 15 mph while I held the pedal to the floor. There was no power whatsoever. The Scangauge read 99% engine load.

    CR-V on the other hand, just keeps climing hills while maintaining speed.

    75,000 miles is nothing. It used to be the 100,000 mile as the marker of dependability, but that has been pushed to 150,000 miles. I am sure a Kia and Hyundai can drive for 75,000 miles as well.

    The real reliability test comes in after 200,000 miles. This is where Ford is missing the beat. Of course it does not make sense for a company in financial trouble making reliable cars, since people will stop buying them. Once you brain wash your customers that blue oval is the thing to stick with, then you can generate repeat sales every 3-4 years. If you make a car that can run for 20 years trouble free, then you will have to worry if they come back soon enough to plop more cash down for your car. Luckily, more and more people are reapizing that blue oval or bow tie has been brain washing them all these years and cultivated a culture where if you wanted a reliable car, you had to buy new every 3-4 years. Japanese, build cars to last. You don't need to keep getting new car once it approaches 100,000 miles, you just keep driving it.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Ya just had to use the word "brainwash" didn't you? Don't you know all Honda owners are brainwashed in the first place? And we're touchy about it, to boot.

    Oh yeah, and we all paid sticker, since none will deal on a car. None at all.

    For those left drowning in the deep sarcasm, I apologize.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,815
    "Ya just had to use the word "brainwash" didn't you? Don't you know all Honda owners are brainwashed in the first place?"

    Oh, my goodness. I had a 2003 CR-V (and like Honda), and now I have a 2006 Ford Freestyle. This must mean my brain is double-washed. :confuse:

    I actually test drove the 2006 Escape Hybrid, but compared to the CR-V, I found it a bit tippy (feeling) - and this at about 15 MPH! So I didn't purchase the Escape... :surprise:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Oh, my goodness. I had a 2003 CR-V (and like Honda), and now I have a 2006 Ford Freestyle. This must mean my brain is double-washed.

    Geez, buddy. You've got some serious issues! :) :P
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    You've got some serious issues!

    Nah! It's just fastidious and thorough spring cleaning! :shades:

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    I actually test drove the 2006 Escape Hybrid, but compared to the CR-V, I found it a bit tippy (feeling) - and this at about 15 MPH!

    Escape is indeed tippier. It leans a lot more in corners, which does not inspire confidence. It also leans forward a lot when braking.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,815
    "Escape is indeed tippier. It leans a lot more in corners, which does not inspire confidence. It also leans forward a lot when braking."

    I think that VSC is standard on the 2008 model?
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