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CR-V vs Escape

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The result is customers still don't get what they want along w/higher manufacturing costs. I actually prefer Toyota to Honda because they a) make the safety equipment standard and b) don't smother me w/options I probably won't get anyway.

    Do you have that backwards? Toyota's option packages can be maddening, not being able to get certain equipment in certain areas of the country (last year finding VSC on a Camry in the south was a nightmare). Honda has a one-for-all philosophy, especially on safety. Just pick your trim and go, all safety features on a low-end model are on the top-end one, nowadays.
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    Yes, I flipped them! :blush: I hate Toyota's option packages. We may or may not be in the market for a new minivan next year but besides being a Hondaphite the Sienna's option packages may keep me from ever wanting one.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    But I'm saying I couldn't even find an Escape w/airbags when I was shopping in the spring of '05.

    We bought our '05 in '04 and had not problem finding one with all the air bags. It was a Limited though so that might have had something to do with it.

    the problem being Honda's approach is very forward thinking and Ford's is very backward.

    Was backward (in your opinion). As I mentioned, they are changing that. Go price a Flex on their site (they just added it to the official lineup on their real site) and you'll see that it is priced and packaged very Honda-like now. The rest are supposed to follow the same pattern very soon. They finally realized that they can save a ton of money by simplifying the mfr process, but you can still order one the way you want if that's your cup of tea.

    They want to provide every option independent of others but it's hard to find exactly the ones we want anyway.

    How true. Then the dealers practically make you buy one of their lot to get the best deals and you end up having to settle for something you maybe didn't want, or live without something you did want. I know that the dealers are catering to the masses when they order for their stock, but I've always found it hard to find the exact car I wanted. I've always ended up getting more than I wanted because I always want something that they only order with the higher end trims that have everything under the sun in them too.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    i think that interior is user friendly, not too many buttons. just about anyone can get in it and figure out how things work pretty quickly. anyways, to each their own!
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Indeed. As I said before the basic design isn't flawed, but the implementation could've stood to be updated, with better materials. I actually think the old design seems more user friendly than the new Escapes, but I haven't had seat time in the 08.

    All being said, the Escape was built to a price point, and served its purpose well for many years.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    "the Escape was built to a price point" and the cr-v isn't? :confuse:
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The CR-V just doesn't show it as obviously, in my opinion.

    If Ford wasn't cash strapped with what they could put into the Escape, I'd imagine they'd have made more upgrades to the quality and design/style, as in the CR-V.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    imo, pretty much every cr-v redesign got more escape-like and to my eye the interior has seemed too gimicky or odd. the latest iteration seems to be a puffed up civic wagon. people do seem to like it, based on how many i see.
  • oregonboyoregonboy Posts: 1,653
    "every cr-v redesign got more escape-like ...
    the latest iteration seems to be a puffed up civic wagon"


    "escape-like: a puffed up civic wagon"
    is that what you intended to say ??? :surprise:
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    over time honda adopted some of the features like the top hinged rear hatch, removed spare from same.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Yep, sounds like Honda copied Ford's 7 year old design based on that. Haha

    Honda's CR-V now has similarities with it's big brother, the Pilot, in that regard. Just because the escape has the regular hatch, doesn't mean the Escape was the reason.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    You could then argue that the Pilot is that way because the Explorer was. The Explorer was the first SUV with the separate glass opening. Before that the glass powered down. I always liked that and don't understand why the Explorer's version won out in the end. :confuse:
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,090
    I remember 4Runners having power rear glass.. a long time ago... I'd guess all the way back to the '80s?

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  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    That's the exact vehicle I was thinking of too. I saw one recently and it reminded me of how nice that feature was. I also remember many of those giant station wagons from the 70's and 80's having the same feature. As a little kid in those decades nothing was more fun than riding in the bed of a pickup to the ball game or riding in the back of my friend's parent's Chevy Caprice Classic wagon, facing the wrong way of course, with that glass down. Good times. :shades:
  • these two suvs are competing with each other but the crv sells well. in it's 2002 version it has 3rd row seat while the escape had v6 version but none of these won any awards
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    maybe they are not the same as sold in the 'states'?
  • What about those old Jeep Wagoneers, that date back to the late 70's with the manual outside crank to roll down the rear glass on the "hatch" for lack of a better term, because I believe they opened up like a regular truck tailgate. In fact if I faintly remember as a child I had to wait for someone to roll down the glass before opening up the "hatch/tailgate" otherwise the glass would be exposed to damage. LOL!
  • Looking for a new mid size SUV in about six weeks. Presently own a Toyota and a Nissan and am pleased with the reliabilty of both. My last Ford was a '93 Aerostar, bought new, and I was not so pleased with the reliability.

    It looks like the Escape/Mariner have some features I want: external temperature (don't ask my why, I just like it), compass (I find it invaluable sometimes), and a rear glass window that lifts up (for occasionally carrying something long from Home Depot or to the dump). Believe it or not, you can't get both the compass and/or thermometer on the Toyota or the Honda. Also, the glass is fixed on both-it doesn't open.

    Just wondered if other buyers compared these cars and what they thought about comfort, build quality, repair bills, etc. I plan on keeping the vehicle for several years. I want to be as patriotic as the next guy, but I don't want to be taken by a junky car that falls apart as soon as the warranty is up, or even before he warranty is up, as I was with my '93 Ford (remember, quality was job 1 back then, LOL) and my '98 and '01 Pontiac Montanas.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    I want to be as patriotic as the next guy,

    Well, first off, you need to decide who do you support more. The engineers, assembly line people and generally wroking class, or the super rich executives?

    Do you want to support the company that ships jobs outside of the US so that they appear more profitable on the balance sheets and the executives get fatter bonuses on top of their multi million dollar salaries paid for by the bail out monies?

    Or, do you want to suport companies that create jobs in the US for engineers, assembly line people, janitors, maintenance people, and have capped their executive pay to a reasonable proportion to the lowest paid company employee?

    The easiest is to look at the VIN number of the vehicle you are looking at, and see where it was made.

    Good luck.
  • First digit of the VIN says it all:

    1 = USA
    2 = CANADA
    3 = MEXICO
    4 = USA
    5 = USA
    S = GREAT BRITAIN
    J = JAPAN
    K = KOREA

    anyone want to add?
  • Not sure what it is you're trying to say. Are you saying to disregard the parent corporation (GM, Chrysler, Ford) because they ship jobs overseas? It's amazing to realize how many Chryslers and Fords are built overseas, even in Mexico. Whereas many 'Japanese" cars are assembled here. My Sienna was assembled in Kansas.
    Anyway, obviously I am interested in helping my fellow citizens, if possible, and not the fat cats.
    I think the cars I am most interested in, the RAV4 and the CRV are both made in Japan. But I am considering an Escape/Mariner/Tribute also. I think those 3 are made in the U.S.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    Not sure what it is you're trying to say. Are you saying to disregard the parent corporation (GM, Chrysler, Ford) because they ship jobs overseas? It's amazing to realize how many Chryslers and Fords are built overseas, even in Mexico. Whereas many 'Japanese" cars are assembled here. My Sienna was assembled in Kansas.
    Anyway, obviously I am interested in helping my fellow citizens, if possible, and not the fat cats.
    I think the cars I am most interested in, the RAV4 and the CRV are both made in Japan. But I am considering an Escape/Mariner/Tribute also. I think those 3 are made in the U.S.


    My poiint is exactly, that if you feel the need to support this country, then you support the companies that pgenerate jobs here, rather than ship them elsewhere so that corporate fat cats can get more fat.

    By the way, CR-V IS MADE IN THE USA, I am sure RAV4 is too. Check the VIN numbers when looking at cars.

    By the way, Escape/Tribute/Mariner was designed by Mazda, not Ford. So was the Fusion.

    I understand your concern about the parent corporations, however, corporate stock holders can be anywhere in the world. It just happens that right now GM/Chrysler majority of stock holders are the US taxpayers. But, many of the Honda and Toyota stocks are owned by US based pension and retirement funds, as well as individual traders.

    So, if you hear someone saying that they "want the profits to stay here" they are full of BS!!! Profits go to whoever holds the stock in form of dividends...
  • CR-V is made in either Japan...VIN code J or Great Britain VIN code S and inported here. RAV-4 is made in Japan only and imported here. Escape and Mariner are made here in the USA and Tribute is made in Japan and imported here. Powertrains for the trio are a hybrid of parts from Ford and Mazda's parts bins but the majority is made up of Mazda parts.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,268
    CR-V is made in either Japan...VIN code J or Great Britain VIN code S

    That was true for the previous generation CRV, but I think they make the current ones, or at least some of them, here in the US. I also think they are, or are in the process of, building RAV4 in Canada.
  • I stand corrected...you are correct about the CR-V there are a very few made in Liberty, Ohio...VIN code 5

    I work for a delaership.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,090
    East Liberty, Ohio.. ;)

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  • Thank you blueiedgod, great point about the profits going to the shareholders. I must admit my density, in that I never considered it from that point of view before. I think that was the last arguement of the American manufacturers. If you pointed out that a Honda or Toyota was assembled here, they would point out that the profits go to a foreign company, as opposed to "staying" here. But, as we should all realize in this global day and age, the shareholders own the parent corporation.

    I guess anyone could make an arguement that "domestic" cars are assembled mostly with parts made in the U.S. I think that's on the window sticker, the North American content or the U.S. content. I forget which it is, but N.A. includes Canada and Mexico too.

    BTW-I think you can forget about deciphering VINs and just read the door sticker for place of assembly.

    ChuckB a grniedgod
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    the chassis for the escape and fusion are based on mazda platforms, which were financially supported by ford.
    what was done from there, is usa, except assembly of the fusion.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,797
    What's funny is that Mazda6, a Fusion twin, is made in the USA, while the "domestic" Ford Fusion is made in Mexico.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    you know what i think is funny, the cr-v has been redesigned how many times?
    we bought an 09 escape and still have our 04.
    a lot of it has not changed.
    basically, it is just a better vehicle. :P
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