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CR-V vs Escape

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  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Honda's glorified reputation is on the down hill slide. Get out on the net, look in other rooms besides here at Edmunds. Expecting growth and getting growth are two different stories. Heck, I can expect a 10 percent raise!! will I get it?? Why doesnt' Honda allow Alldata.com to posts its TSB's? Yet all other manufacturers TSB's are available? Honda PR has done a great job in stemming and quelling the CRV fire issues. I just hope noone dies from a fire in their CRV. Ford DOES build reliable and quality vehicles. Its just been pounded in peoples heads year after year that they don't. I am living proof the Escape AND Tribute are great vehicles. Would you believe me? of course not. There are some people who will never, ever believe Ford, GM could EVER make a vehicle superior to a Japanese brand. I am not one of them. I have owned both, My Fords have all run fine and lasted many years and miles. I see no reason to pay the extra $$$ for a perceived reliaiblity/quality advantage. And, if you get out on the net you will see more and more people are finding this out and switching from Honda to other brands, not just Fords or GM models. This is what I meant by "its over for Honda". Thier glory days are over.....And yes if they don't attain large sales numbers here in the U.S. they will not have the capitol to keep up with Toyota or Nissan or Subaru or even Hyundia in the costs of development of new products and get them to market. So, I stand by my prediction of a buyout in the next 10-15 years of Honda.. ;)
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    Honda's glorified reputation is on the down hill slide. Get out on the net, look in other rooms besides here at Edmunds.

    Yeah, you're probably right, "net" people's opinions on the internet mean more to me than what all the studies say.

    I just hope noone dies from a fire in their CRV.

    Me, too. I'd hate to see the same thing happen to CR-V that happened to Ford when all those rollovers happened. According to the net, you couldn't drive a block without seeing a rollovered Ford.

    I am living proof the Escape AND Tribute are great vehicles. Would you believe
    me?


    You're right, I wouldn't believe you, but that doesn't mean Escape and Tribute are bad vehicles. They just aren't as good as a CR-V. Especially since they roll over all the time.

    There are some people who will never, ever believe Ford, GM could EVER make a vehicle superior to a Japanese brand.

    I didn't use to be one of these people, but now I think I am. You've got to stay on four tires to be superior.

    And, if you get out on the net you will see more and more people are finding this out and switching from Honda to other brands, not just Fords or GM models.

    Here we are back to those infamous "net" people. They're kinda like carnies, from what I've been told. Small hands, smell like cabbage. And if you mean people switching to Ford and GM, you obviously have been living in Afghanistan for the past few months. The domestics are the ones with the low sales and offering "employee" pricing. Not Honda. I've gotta go. Someone just rolled a Ford outside my house...
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,444
    when you post this...
    "They just aren't as good as a CR-V. Especially since they roll over all the time."
    maybe i missed something, do me a favor and point where you got this from.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    I guess the CRV the Combustable recreational vehicle catches on fire all the time too?? Whoa! there is one on fire right now down the street! This kind of stuff of all Escapes rolling over shows me just how much you really don't know about vehicles... Fact is I paid less for my Escape, my Escape is paid for, I paid lower interest rate, shorter amount of time. No CRV owner can claim this.. Along with folks like yourself beating the never ending drum of all Fords, GM products cannot and will never be as good as anything Honda makes.. I am your worst nightmare.. a satisfied Ford owner with years of Ford vehicles that have been reliable. :shades:
    And yes, if you knew how to "surf" the net you would find other chat rooms about the auto industry, and peeved off Honda owners to boot..
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    If your point is that the Escape is cheaper than a CR-V, I agree. You get what you pay for.
  • CRV - YTD sales of 73,435 compared with 69,979 in 2004 +5.6%

    Escape - YTD sales of 86,914 compared with 98,532 in 2004 -11.8%

    These numbers do not include any July sales.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    once again, Tribute and Mariner sales were not included? Why? Your numbers are once again misleading. Kind of funny how when a person who Does not own a Honda product talks of personal experience is all "full of it" and cannot be believed. Yet when a Honda is performing, its all ok and thier word is golden. Can you say Hypocryte?
  • WelI... I didn't include those sales because this forum is called CR-V vs Escape. But if it makes you feel better, again no July sales included:

    Tribute - YTD sales of 22,370 compared with 20,583 in 2004 +8.7%

    Mariner - YTD sales of 16,552 compared with 0 in 2004

    FYI - I own both a Honda CR-V and a Mazda 6. I love them both.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    ...I see no reason to pay the extra $$$ for a perceived reliaiblity/quality advantage...

    I don't see how Escape is cheaper than CR-V. When comparing apples to apples:

    Loaded CR-V SE (no options) = $23,985

    Loaded Escape Limited (no options) = $25,128 even with employee pricing and rebates.

    Escape is $1000 more, plus the hidden costs of ownership, and faster depriciation rate. I just hope you are not a financial advisor, because you would give people a very misinformed financial advice.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Again? I have posted numerous times with real data how a CR-V will cost less than a similarly equipped Escape. Now someone else has as well. Real numbers and real data mean nothing to some people here.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,444
    blueie... carsdirect is not a good place to get a price on an escape. maybe it is for a crv.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,921
    You could compare the numbers using True Market Value.

    Steve, Host
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,444
    due to prices being posted for individual vehicles, i just went right right to the source. other than that i would have gone to tmv. when i bought my focus in may last year, i did look into carsdirect. their price was way off.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    blueie... carsdirect is not a good place to get a price on an escape. maybe it is for a crv.

    Of course Carsdirect wouldn't be a good place, it weakens the argument. I always bought cars under the carsdirect/TMV price. But, for the sake of argument, I chose the "no haggle" source. Just to clarify, I paid lots less for the CR-V than Carsdirect and Edmunds' TMV price. But, I am a haggler, most people are not.

    Since we are on Edmunds here is TMV, I am sure you will find a reson to knock down Edmunds as well.

    Ford Escape Limited (I added sunroof and indash 6 cd changer, which I forgot to do first time around) $26,662
    Even without the sunroof and the CD changer, it is $25,525

    Honda CR-V SE (no options offered, comes with Sunroof and in-dash 6 disc changer) $24,636

    This is not looking good for your argument. It is also interesting that Edmunds lists Escape with RAV4 in the Compact SUV's, while CR-V is listed along with Pilot, Lexus RX300 and Highlander in Midsize SUV's.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,732
    "This is not looking good for your argument. It is also interesting that Edmunds lists Escape with RAV4 in the Compact SUV's, while CR-V is listed along with Pilot, Lexus RX300 and Highlander in Midsize SUV's."

    The CR-V just scrapes into the midsize category due to interior volume...
  • fredddfreddd Posts: 14
    I have been burned by domestic car quality issues several times in my life, so I'd have to be mighty impressed to get something from one of the big three. I tried the grand cherokee and the escape hybrid before buying a CR-V. Grand Cherokee is actually smaller inside than the CR-V and gets about 7 mpg less. Also has a much more involved maint. schedule. Escape hybrid was OK, but costs way too much to justify buying it. It would take 10 years for the electric motor to pay for itself. Unless you tow something, the V6 is totally unneccesary.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,444
    since ford is posting prices on their website, i just went there. i have no argument, just facts.
  • meescapemeescape Posts: 1
    I believe you have a bad source for prices. Paid 23,045 for 2005 Limited with sunroof, with 6-CD changer 9 days ago (Atlanta, GA). Hondas are good cars, but the lack of a V-6, leather options sent me to the Escape. Could not be happier!
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    again in my region CRV's are more option for option. I will list again in todays paper what is available. . If you want phone numbers please e-mail me. Anyone who has actually shopped the car market knows, Honda dealerships don't deal. You pay or you walk.
    Damerow Ford, 1 example 2005 Escape XLS 4WD VIN#D51577, $18,325.
    Thomason Honda 2WD LX Element $17,499
    Courtesy Ford 2005 Escape Limited 4x4 $22,379.76 #E48163 "11 more to choose from"
    Landmark Ford Limited Escape 4x4 $24,535, XLT 4x4 sport $21,725, another at 22,281, XLT 4x4 V6 $20, 929.. They have a pretty sizeable list here in the paper with mulitple listings to choose from.
    2005 CRV LX 2WD for $19,188! This is at Ron Tonkin Honda 2 to choose from Want VIN's? e-mail me an let me know or phone #'s. I may have crossed the line already giving Dealership names.. Choice is nice and Ford offers more choices, Trim levels and colors than Honda does also...
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    6 reviews under Escape now up above and just .1 behind the CRV...
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