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CR-V vs Escape

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  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    I thought you were referring to this USA Today article. Posting a link would have helped. ;)

    AFAIK Toyota isn't offering zero percent financing on any model.

    No they're not and I never said they were actually.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    OT: You mentioned "incentives" so I thought you were saying there were incentives on the Highlander Hybrid (which there might be).

    Speaking of Hybrids, found this one:

    http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060413/auto_show_hybrids.html?.v=2

    Seems you are right, the larger hybrids aren't selling. Buyers don't think they save enough. While the Civic Hybrid sales are up and now account for 8 percent of total Civic sales, Honda may cut production of the Accord Hybrid.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    OT (Somewhat)

    I find it interesting that someone keeps shouting to "buy American" yet doesn't think buying a "foreign" brand produced in the U.S. helps our economy.

    Well "buying American" didn't help these people keep their jobs.

    http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060413/ford_plant_closures.html?.v=8
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Some of you may be interested in these discussion:

    Buying American Cars: What Does It Mean?

    What will it take for consumers to buy American brands??

    Let's stick with discussing the vehicles themselves here and leave the broader questions to those other forums.

    tidester, host
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,451
    speaking of insurance, i wonder how it compares between the 2. everyone knows which two i am referencing.
    the escape, as a daily driver, 14 mile one way commute is less than my same year focus, also a daily driver commute distance the same.
    with all these owners that are concerned about 0-60, maybe they can try to get on an episode of 'PINKS'. :)
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Let's stick with discussing the vehicles themselves here and leave the broader questions to those other forums.

    I hope this qualifies. Good thing they still don't use the slogan "Safety is Job 1".

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060413/ap_on_bi_ge/ford_recall_1
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Good thing they still don't use the slogan "Safety is Job 1".

    I thought that was "Quality is Job 1." But if quality is "conformance to customer requirements" and customers require safety then I suppose they are synonymous. :)

    tidester, host
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    All that to protect people who DON'T wear their seatbelts? Nice. :sick:
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    Yes, but if Ford offered standard side and curtain airbags in their vehicles, this wouldn't be an issue.

    :cry:
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    Side curtains don't protect your head from the A-Pillar when you're not wearing a seatbelt. Not even in a Honda.
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    That's not what the article says. It says they are only recalling Escapes which don't have curtain airbags. If the padding were a problem on vehicles which have curtain airbags, they would be recalling them, too, but they aren't.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    once again the Honda folks blow this way out of proportion.. did you even notice not one claim has even been filed? Ford is being pro-active and trying to show people they care about safety. Unlike Honda and it fire storm.. with the CRV fires.. they just swept this under the carpet..
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    How can this be blown out of proportion? If they offered standard side curtain airbags like Honda does, this wouldn't be a problem. It's yet another area Ford hasn't been able to figure out. That's what happens when you only redesign your vehicles every 7 or 8 years (or more). You get a vehicle which is out of date, like the Escape.

    ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I read my old 2002 Motor Trend today, and read the road test digest, which had acceleration numbers for both a 4Auto Escape V6 XLT, and an 4A CR-V EX. The Escape ran to 60 in 9.0 sec, and the CR-V did it in 8.9 sec (it was before the 5-spd auto, too). Just interesting, although somewhat irrelevant since they were 2001 and 2002 models.

    So, it ISN'T just the manual CR-V that can outrun an Escape (or keep up with, anyway). The auto did then, and with the added gear, should now too.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    I read my old 2002 Motor Trend today, and read the road test digest, which had acceleration numbers for both a 4Auto Escape V6 XLT, and an 4A CR-V EX. The Escape ran to 60 in 9.0 sec, and the CR-V did it in 8.9 sec (it was before the 5-spd auto, too). Just interesting, although somewhat irrelevant since they were 2001 and 2002 models.

    So, it ISN'T just the manual CR-V that can outrun an Escape (or keep up with, anyway). The auto did then, and with the added gear, should now too.


    Thank you!

    I am sure certain someone will just chuck it to the "Honda Conspiracy" anyway.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    That's not what the article says.

    Yes it is. The sentence below is straight from the article.

    Escapes without the side curtains have a harder material under the plastic trim piece and they need to soften it up for people who don't wear their seat belts. Furthermore the area in question can come into play in a frontal collision where the curtains won't even be deployed, standard or not.

    "Ford said it encourages all drivers and passengers to wear seat belts and 'a belted occupant is not likely to contact the area of the vehicle that is in question.'"
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    Wait!!!!

    I was too late to edit my last post so I'll amend it here. Somewhere along this conversation line I jumped off track and skipped a post. My last post was in reference to my original and does not really refute anything you said.

    So yes, standard side curtains would have made the recall unnecessary (maybe this will open their eyes and make is so for the next MY). Side curtains however, do not save an unbelted person from banging his/her head off of a part of the frame which is my argument. Since peple who wear their seat belts are unlikely to strike the area in question side curtains matter not in the injury side of the equation.

    Hopefully that was clearer! ;)
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    That data actually comes from a TruckTrend comparison test of the CR-V, Escape, Freelander, and RAV4. They are obviously sister magazines and share data.

    In the TruckTrend article, they give the nod to the CR-V in terms of real world acceleration, as well measured tests. I don't have an exact quote, but they were talking about using the acceleration lane to merge onto a highway.

    However, TT also did another comparo where they got 8.5 seconds out of a 4AT Escape. So, testing results will vary based on the vehicle and conditions.

    Of course, in that 2nd comparo, they used a 5MT CR-V (good for 8.1 seconds) which was described as feeling like a V6.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    However, TT also did another comparo where they got 8.5 seconds out of a 4AT Escape. So, testing results will vary based on the vehicle and conditions.

    Yes, but if it had anything to do with temp, the CR-V would have reflected a similar shift in numbers, since the CRV and Escape were tested together in the previously mentioned test (8.9, 9.0 sec). In like conditions, the CRV was a nip quicker.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,968
    Here's another TCO link; The CR-V leads, but guess who's right behind?

    Top 10 SUVs With the Lowest TCO for 2006


    Steve, Host
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