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CR-V vs Escape

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  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Fact is I have posted prices and VIN# showing Escapes to be less expensive than CRV's in my region. Noone believed me, noone asked me for the dealship numbers. I won't do this again, and again, and again.
    Fact is you are going to believe what you want to believe. Somehow the 4cyl 156HP is magically more powerful than the V6 200HP in the Escape. You are going to only believe the 0-60 numbers you want to believe. You are only going to believe anything and every article that shows the CRV to be be this far superior vehicle. So why should I even bother?
    I own both an 01 Escape 4WD XLT V6 and a Tribute ES V6 4WD. Both have been excellent vehicles. I am still waiting for my Escape, after 70,000 trouble free miles. And according to Honda clan, should have fallen apart after about 25,000 miles.. to break down, or have some huge failure.
    By the way.. You can get Escape, V6 XLT's in my region for under 20K.. all day long in the paper. Not just one either...
    I no longer have time for this room, the never ending silver "H" syndrome. Enjoy your Combustable Recreational Vehicles.. Yes, the fire problem still exists if you would get out of your box....
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Oh, but wait, you never clarified how holding RPMs at redline endlessly is better for acceleration times! You've mentioned the advantage of doing so several times, but haven't actually told us how to accelerate in a manual transmission without changing gears OR changing RPMs. Maybe its magic? :confuse: I know neither Escape or Tribute comes with a CVT (that's a continuously variable transmission), and neither does a CR-V, so that answer is out. You mind explaining for us "laymen" as to how that acceleration method works?

    You, and only you, are waiting for your Ford to fall apart, since you are the only one who CONTINUALLY mentions your car falling apart.

    I guess it's ok that you no longer have time to be here, because you don't answer anyone who questions what you have said.
  • sceglascegla Posts: 20
    "Fact is I have posted prices and VIN# showing Escapes to be less expensive than CRV's in my region...."

    He's referring to the Thomason bare-bones dealer demos being sold with dings. Yes, they were significantly lower than the CRV prices for new, fully-equipped, vehicles. They were not a bad deal for what you were getting. Go figure that. ;)

    I like new cars if I buy them as "new."
  • dromedariusdromedarius Posts: 307
    He's referring to the Thomason bare-bones dealer demos being sold with dings. Yes, they were significantly lower than the CRV prices for new, fully-equipped, vehicles. They were not a bad deal for what you were getting. Go figure that.

    And the truth comes out.

    :sick:

    Thanks for that Ecegla! You made my day!

    ;)
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    Fact is I have posted prices and VIN# showing Escapes to be less expensive than CRV's in my region. Noone believed me, noone asked me for the dealship numbers. I won't do this again, and again, and again.
    Fact is you are going to believe what you want to believe. Somehow the 4cyl 156HP is magically more powerful than the V6 200HP in the Escape. You are going to only believe the 0-60 numbers you want to believe. You are only going to believe anything and every article that shows the CRV to be be this far superior vehicle. So why should I even bother?
    I own both an 01 Escape 4WD XLT V6 and a Tribute ES V6 4WD. Both have been excellent vehicles. I am still waiting for my Escape, after 70,000 trouble free miles. And according to Honda clan, should have fallen apart after about 25,000 miles.. to break down, or have some huge failure.
    By the way.. You can get Escape, V6 XLT's in my region for under 20K.. all day long in the paper. Not just one either...
    I no longer have time for this room, the never ending silver "H" syndrome. Enjoy your Combustable Recreational Vehicles.. Yes, the fire problem still exists if you would get out of your box....


    Carsdirect is a reputable dealership network which applies: "The price you see is the price you pay" motto. The advertisments in the papers you have mentioned had quantity limitations, or were for Escape V6 2WD, or like ecgal mentioned were Scratch and dent sale

    As far as how the magic of a 4 cylinder beating out the mightier V6, just call it SUPERIOR ENGINEERING.

    70,000 miles is nothing for a Honda. We have told you before and will tell you again, come back when you have over 150,000 -- 200,000 miles.

    In my previous post I have proven than CR-V costs about $2000 less than comparable equipped Escape.

    Here is a comaprison of a used 2002 Escape XLT V6 AWD vs 2002 CR-V EX AWD Auto, both in black with 50,000 miles.

    2002 Ford Escape XLT V6 AWD, Trade-in $10,303, Private PArty $11,760, Dealer retail $13,080, Certified used $14,050

    2002 CR-V EX AWD Auto, Trade-in $13,361, Private party $14,684, Dealer Retail $15,904, Certified Used $17,282

    There is a $2000-$3000 premium on used CR-V's, coupled with lower initial cost of $2000 and lower operating cost mainly due to higher fuel efficiency one would save OVER $5000 in 4 years by choosing CR-V.

    Show me your logic, or better SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    "Any chance that hole was/is letting excess air into the engine compartment fueling a fire under the right conditions? It is right next to the suspect oil filter after all. Varmint, you have to have enough info on this to write a book by now. What's your take?"

    There's always a chance for something to happen. However, given that other Hondas use the same suspension design and same basic engine block with any incidents of fire... I got doubts.

    The suspension-through-wheelwell design has been used on many vehicles. Some of them off-roaders, which are supposed to be used in circumstances when air, mud, water, and other debris could get into the engine compartment.

    If there were a problem with corrosion, we'd have seen it by now. While it might take years for structural issues to become evident via rust, it doesn't take more than a single season for rust to form in small quantities. And we haven't even seen that.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    Sounds reasonable. I still wouldn't like or trust having a hole in the wheel well around here though. Vehicles around these parts tend to turn white with salt, and stay white from November through March. Any extra holes would bother me given that I know they're there. ;)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,456
    both seem to have noisy tires, but the escape tires last longer? 25k on our conti's tons of tread left. in a way, it's too bad, i'd love to have a good excuse to get rid of them.
    other than that, 2 air filters and a fuel filter, and oil change/tires rotations every 5k.
    i see early tire wear and rear fluid changes for the cr-v.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Ever wonder why cars/trucks with manual transmissions are usually quicker 0-60? Nuff said..
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    "He's referring to the Thomason bare-bones dealer demos being sold with dings. Yes, they were significantly lower than the CRV prices for new, fully-equipped, vehicles. They were not a bad deal for what you were getting. Go figure that. "

    Not true
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    my Continentals at about 50K.. and they probably could Proper rotation/inflation make a huge difference..
    But wait a minute. They are not on a Honda product so they will last all about 50 miles, since they are on a Ford product. ;)
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    "70,000 miles is nothing for a Honda. We have told you before and will tell you again, come back when you have over 150,000 -- 200,000 miles."

    The never ending "My Honda went a gazzillion miles with no oil changes, or gas by that matter" stories.. yet when someone says a Ford, GM, product goes 150,000 its "No way, its not a Honda" syndrome...

    I was told by folks just like you, my Escape was unreliable, never going to last, going to be problematic.. spreading fear and uncertaintity like most Honda folks like to... yet I now have 70,000 TROUBLE FREE read again TROUBLE FREE miles on my Escape. Proved you and all other Honda fans wrong. This is what you all hate. An actual Ford/Mazda owner with proven track record with this vehicle. One that posts and spreads the word.. You don't have to pay the extra $$ for that silver "H" to have a great reliable vehicle.. :P
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Ever wonder why cars/trucks with manual transmissions are usually quicker 0-60? Nuff said..

    Nope, I've never wondered, because slipped clutch or drop clutch launches are generally faster than brake-torqued automatics, not because they holding the same speed for eternity. Nuff said.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I was told by folks just like you, my Escape was unreliable, never going to last, going to be problematic..

    But not BY us were you told that your car wouldn't last...that's been mostly you, bud.
    You seem to be the one spreading uncretainty, but it seems to be YOUR OWN uncertainty, otherwise you wouldn't be the ONE BRINGING IT UP.

    "70,000 miles is nothing for a Honda. We have told you before and will tell you again, come back when you have over 150,000 -- 200,000 miles."

    The never ending "My Honda went a gazzillion miles with no oil changes, or gas by that matter" stories.. yet when someone says a Ford, GM, product goes 150,000 its "No way, its not a Honda" syndrome...


    Again, it's not because it "isn't a Honda" that people aren't impressed...I've told stories of our neighbor's 1993 Taurus that as of last year had 140,000 miles, with minimal problems/repair costs. It's a Ford, and it's been reliable, but it has twice the miles of your car (at least, b/c that 140k mile figure was last year), and speaks much better to Ford's quality than does 70k miles.

    My dad has an Accord with 47k miles on it and hasn't spent a dime to repair a thing; that's not impressive though, as any car over $10k SHOULD give you service to 100k miles with few problems. It's when you get to the 125k+ miles-range that things start failing on the average car (for example, my main cooling fan motor went out at 135,000 miles or so). It's not because it "ain't a Honda", it's because its still young!

    Don't go down that "pay for a Honda" road again unless you enjoy chatting with yourself about it, because that dead horse is just about decomposed by now. In your area, Escapes are supposedly cheaper, in mine and many others that have posted here, things are otherwise (CR-V's are cheaper when equipped comparbaly to Escapes).
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Posts: 2,882
    " You don't have to pay the extra $$ for that silver "H" "

    You're right, no one does. If you are, then you're a sorry negotiator.
  • midwesttradermidwesttrader Posts: 291
    I no longer have time for this room, the never ending silver "H" syndrome.

    Congratulations scape you lasted two whole days without posting here. I was about to say "Good Night and Good Luck" too.

    spreading fear and uncertaintity like most Honda folks like to

    A wise host told me this forum is supposed to be about the cars and not the people.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 39,025
    Let's take a breather and let the new model info develop; maybe Ford will have something up its sleeve to counter the third generation CR-V later this year.

    Steve, Host
  • School's back in session... does that mean we are through with recess?
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 39,025
    Depends on how hot it gets in here; an occasional recess is good now and then. :shades:
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