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CR-V vs Escape

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  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Scape2 sold his Escape. I think that speaks volumes.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,947
    And someone may have gotten a great deal on a used Escape.

    Shall we get back to comparing car notes? Please?
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    After 75,000 trouble free miles I was still waiting for this predication from the Honda crowd!

    I no longer own the Escape

    You answered your own question.

    Both "the Graduate" and I asked you to come back and report reliability of the 2001 Escape at 150,000, 200,000 and 500,000 miles. I guess you won't be doing that. So, you will have to settle with what CR, and other credible sources say: "Honda is better than Ford"
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,447
    jousting with 'varm. he sold his cr-v. conclusion?
    escape and cr-v are entry level vehicles in their class.
    many people move on for their own reasons.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Well, I think it says a lot that he chose another Ford, albeit one of a different class (a midsize sedan instead of a cute-ute). He has his brand loyalty, and Fords continue to please him. There's nothing wrong with that, and it speaks well of Ford's initial satisfaction (it says nothing for long-term, is what blueiedgod was saying, I think), because he kept is about 5 years and 75,000 miles, a relatively short span in a car's long life.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Scape2 sold his Escape and got a Fusion, kind of different vehicles. varmint moved up to an MDX, same class of vehicle. Both stayed with their brand though. I said earlier Scape2 is consistent (right down to arguing with other Honda owners about his Fusion vs. their Honda). Many buyers are, brand loyalty is very prevalent.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,947
    brand loyalty is very prevalent

    Interesting point; I have had 3 Nissans in the last 25 years (two Datsun wagons and still driving a Quest assembled by Ford) so I guess I'm a bit partial to them.

    But I've had 2 VWs, a Plymouth, a Toyota and a Subaru in that time too, and I shopped Honda hard last time around (to the point of going home to get my checkbook before I got mad at the dealer).

    When I'm ready to buy again, I guess I'll see which brand has the best sale going on and who has the least idiotic dealer that week. :P
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    As for brand loyalty, you can say that again!

    I have owned four motor homes. Two from Ford, one on a GM platform, the current is a diesel pusher. I had the GM based one in between the two Fords. Nothing but transmission problems, and this is constantly a complaint of owners in the RV publications. Just something GM can't get right for big loads. The Ford Super Duty platform is, and always has been, impeccable. The Taurus I had was a superlative workhorse as well.

    Aside from the GM platform Bus style RV, I also had a 2005 Impala, SS. It was a great car, and somewhat restored my confidence in Detroit until I bought a TransAM. :sick:

    Overall, I have never had the bad experiences with dealers or vehicles with Subaru, Nissan and Toyota, that I have had with the Big Three.
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Posts: 2,882
    Thx for the report. Reliable? Not even close to my '99 with 125K miles. Only two issues I've had are the radiator cracked and the driver's side door power lock doesn't work.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    jousting with 'varm. he sold his cr-v. conclusion?
    escape and cr-v are entry level vehicles in their class.
    many people move on for their own reasons.


    I think Varmint had over 100,000 miles on the CR-V. Scape didn't. Maybe he didn't think that his Trouble Free Escape could remain as trouble free approaching 100,000 miles.
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety has released it's list of the safest cars for 2007.

    The Institute breaks the cars down into the following categories: large Car, midsize Car, minivan, luxury SUV, midsize SUV and small SUV.

    In the large car market, only the Audi A6 earned top honors. In the midsize car ratings, the Audi A4, Saab 9-3, and Subaru Legacy (with optional electronic stability control). And in Minivans, the Hyundai Entourage and Kia Sedona both earned top honors.

    Moving to the SUV class, in the Luxury series, the Volvo XC90 and Mercedes M class topped the list. In the midsize arena, the Acura RDX and Honda Pilot both earned high marks. Finally, in the small SUV size, the Honda CR-V and Subaru Forester (with optional electronic stability control) took top honors.

    Interestingly, not one American car made the list this year.... :sick:

    The Institute rates vehicles as good, acceptable, marginal, or poor based on performance in high-speed front and side crash tests, plus evaluations of seat/head restraints for protection against neck injuries in rear impacts.

    The first requirement for a vehicle to become a Top Safety Pick is to earn good ratings in all three Institute tests.

    A new requirement for 2007 is that the winning vehicles must offer electronic stability control. This addition is based on Institute research indicating that electronic stability control significantly reduces crash risk. Especially the risk of fatal single vehicle crashes. The electronic control helps drivers maintain control of their vehicles during emergency maneuvers.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,447
    i chose 'varm because his posts were intelligent.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I think Varmint had over 100,000 miles on the CR-V. Scape didn't. Maybe he didn't think that his Trouble Free Escape could remain as trouble free approaching 100,000 miles.

    C'mon now, let's not put words in anybody's mouth; that's not really fair to scape. He suggests that Ford's are unreliable more than most people on here, I don't think you have to do that for him.

    A lot of people (my father, for example) trade cars just because they want something new. My dad rarely goes over 2 years with his cars, any cars. Usually, they have about 60k miles when he trades.

    My mom's cars last a lot longer around here; the last two consisted of a 1993 Accord, traded with 115,000 miles on her 2000 Odyssey, which we had only 39,000 when traded in 66 months later (in Nov. 2005 for my 2006 Accord EX).
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    In addition to brand loyalty I guess I'm guilty of brand disloyalty.

    My first new vehicle purchase was a GM product. It was in the mid 80's, arguably their low point in terms of....well, everything. Sold it two years later and bought a Honda which performed flawlessly. So when it was time for my next vehicle purchase I bought another Honda, and then another Honda. All the Hondas (including the current, knock wood) were/are excellent vehicles.

    I know the domestics have made progress in terms of quality, reliability, etc. but I see no reason to fix what isn't broken and change my brand affiliation.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,947
    "guilty of brand disloyalty"

    That's another interesting thing about human psychology I guess. I had two '74 Volvo sedans and they both were unreliable (one was wrecked and was replaced with a similar one). I've been leery of them ever since.

    But I also drove a new '73 or '74 Jeep CJ-5 for three years and I've told people for years about how peppy it was off the line and how good it ran. I keep forgetting how the gas tank rusted away (the soft top that rotted away I could understand) and I also had issues with the windshield wiper motor, and probably some other stuff that I've forgotten.

    One of my 70ish SuperBeetles broke down a lot but it was fixable with some matchsticks in the alternator so that was sort of a fun memory. My wife made me sell it right after we met, lol.

    Never say never - better go hit the GM showroom and take another look around!
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Never say never - better go hit the GM showroom and take another look around!

    Maybe after I had gone through every Honda available, then Toyota, then Subaru (which had a GM slant to it at one time), then the Koreans, then..... Way too many good options out there before GM would even enter my radar. But if I were looking for a used vehicle, you can't beat a 50% markdown on a one year old vehicle, but then again it is a GM, and I don't buy used ;) .
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Don't you ever wonder why its golden word when someone says "My Honda/Toyota went 1 million miles with no problems" Yet when a Ford/GM person comes in and says thier GM/Ford product went 1 million miles it cannot be true?? Take a look at the reliability ratings of the Escape/Tribute/Mariner at MSN reliability ratings. Your going to be surprised. Also, as I mentions the Escape come in right behind the CRV, I mean right behind in TCO here at Edmunds. My wife owns an 04 Tribute ES V6 4WD and so far its been fine too! Hmm.. pattern here? ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Yet when a Ford/GM person comes in and says thier GM/Ford product went 1 million miles it cannot be true??

    Would you mind showing me an instance like this? Something must have happened for you to say this; either that, or you like being a Ford martyr.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    No doubt plenty of GM and Ford products have been reliable, but I think it's pretty fair to say that older imports on the road outnumber older domestics.

    I don't think an '04 Mazda (kind of funny you use an import brand to defend the longevity of domestics---yes I know it's essentially an Escape---but it still is branded Mazda) qualifies for longevity. My father's '91 Ford Escort (although it was heavily influenced by Mazda--which was still a Japanese automaker at that time--it is a Ford) looks like it is finally getting put out to pasture. Not a ton of miles, but it had a long life. I'm sure he fact that he is a shade tree mechanic helped.

    Come back and report on your Mazda in thirteen years :) .
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Posts: 2,803
    In addition to brand loyalty I guess I'm guilty of brand disloyalty.

    I guess I am guilty too, here is my timeline.

    1983 Chevy Celebrity V6, my first car, bought used in 1994) drove for a year and it fell apart.

    1985 Honda Civic DX. My first Honda. Bought it with 200,000 miles ($1000), drove it for 1.5 years. The motor mounts broke when I overloaded with my sister's stuff to move her to college. Stupid me sold her (with broken motor mount for $1500 with 250,000 miles). Yes, I sold a broken car for more than I paid for it 18 months earlier.

    1987 Honda Accord LXi. I ended up giving that car to my sister a year later. She drove it into a bank wall when she mistook the accelerator for the brake (she is blonde)

    1988 Honda Prelude Si 4WS, I still have this car. She is resting in the garage until I find a suitable exhaust system for it. There are not too many options for cars with a steering rack in the front and a steering rack in the back. She still starts right up.

    1991 VW Jetta, those were the dark days. I liked the handling of the car, but I did not realize how troublesome VW's were.

    1999 Honda Civic EX Coupe, my first new car. Never gave me a problem, but after a few winters I wanted an SUV. I traded her in for a

    2001 Honda CR-V SE. Nice little SUV, it was my second car with Automatic, and I hated it. The first auto was the '83 Celibrity. Luckily, someone liked the CR-V more than I and it was stolen from me. It was later found by the Yankee Stadium, stripped. I restored her myself and then traded in for the

    2002 Honda Civic Si. It was a great little car, but I moved to Buffalo and got stuck in snow a few times with it. Even though I had good tires, the low clerance would make it ride up on the snow (center line) and lift the wheels off the ground. I traded the Si for

    2005 Honda CR-V EX.

    Even though I did not personally own any Fords, my girlfriend is a Ford gal. When I met her, she had a

    1993 Ford Taurus. I took the responsibility of keeping it running. Those were busy times. She wanted to sell it, but no one would give her mroe than $600 for a 6 year old Taurus with 140,000 miles on it (compare to 10 year old Civic with broken engine mount at 250,000 miles for $1500) She finally gave in and traded it in for $600 for a

    1999 Ford Escort ZX2. When we moved to gether we started car pooling in the CR-V and she had to sell it. She could only score $6000 for a 2.5 year old Escort with 20,000 miles. (Compare to 1999 Civic EX that was traded in for CR-V and given $11,000 trade in allowance, both cost $15,000 new)
    Then our jobs changed and we needed two cars again. She got a
    2002 Ford Focus SE. Then we moved to Buffalo, and when I got the CR-V, she leased an Escape. Ford dealer would not give her more than $6000 for her mint Focus (I got $12,500 for the Si, both cost about $15,000 new).
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