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Toyota Tacoma vs. Ford Ranger, Part XII



  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Offroading is not necessarily abusing a truck. It depends on how you offroad and where. Jumping is abuse, no matter what.

    About "why doesnt Toyota come out with engine as powerfull as 4.0?": when exactly did the Ranger get its 207 horses? 2001?

    About TSB: note that Toyota TSBs don't say "Failure", unlike Ford ones. The brake one is "Update", whatver that means. What bothers me is that TSBs that I've looked at span a lot of vehicles. It may be an error on the part of the site, or is it that Ranger is sharing a lot of parts with the Explorer?

    I don't have any horror stories about service department. I've never been to one. Just like your Ranger, mine is running flawlessly. Whatever your experience with Toyota dealers is, sure it may be true. I know a guy who works for a Toy dealership here. I'd not go to buy a truck from him. I know him more or less personally, and he's just a bad type of a person. However, my experience when I bought the truck was very excellent. I'd go back to the same dealership when I need to get the next truck, how many years from now it'll be.
    It's not that all Toyota dealers are pricks. I'd give you an example of a Ford dealer like that, however, I've stayed away from Ford dealerships completely. I wasnt even remotely considering buying a Ford. I guess I'm the idiot here, not wanting to be the part of "big Ford family and millions of people who continue driving best vehicles in the country". I'll pass, if I want tires exploding under me, I'll let you know.

    Again, as for power and torque, when did Ranger get the new 207hp engine? It's rather funny, Ford continues to sell its old 3.0L engine with 150hp, and the 4-banger version. The reason why its funny is that you keep bragging about power, and Toyota's 7 year old I4 engine is better than Fords' one, and as good as the Fords' 3.0L. I guess we missed that.
  • tbundertbunder Posts: 580
    but the engine has been out since the fall of '96. why put it in ranger when they didn't have to? even the old 4.0 pushrod made more torque than your tacoma's 3.4. and you brag about your 190 horse engine's torque? the old ranger 4.0 was outselling everything with the less powerful 4.0, why change something that isn't broken. also, im sure they had a lot of those older 4.0 engine parts around, which im sure is why they used that older design as long as they did.

    as far as the 3.0, i would think that the majority of ranger 4x4's sold have this engine in it. this engine is bulletproof and very torquey for its size. and with the 5-spd auto or 5-spd manual, it gets going pretty quickly for only having 150 horses. why get an I-4 (with toyota for more money) when you can have a small V6 which will last longer? also, ford doesn't insult its buyers by offering a 4 banger in a 4x4. for toyota, this is what the majority of their 4x4s get. and they're even more expensive than ford's V6s. sure its a good engine, but its still a 4-cylinder. and they're dogs. also, last time i checked, you couldn't even get a tacoma 4x4 regular cab with a V6. at least ford offers this, along with a manual with both V6s and the off-road packages, both of them. TRD off-road in a reg. cab? dream on. and YOU guys talk about toyota giving you choices. what are they, a clock for $85?

    you claim that the toyota I-4 is as good as ford's. you are insulting your own engine. ford's I-4 is only used in its base 2x2 trucks. toyota on the other hand depends on their I-4 for the majority of their builds. at least ford has an optional smaller V6 for 4x4's. toyota's small I-4 HAS to be good, it's their main engine in their trucks.
  • I've seen several TRD's in a Reg. Cab. Tacoma so what's the deal. They're relatively easy to get in California.
    I'd also, once again, caution the Ford guys here from praising the Explorer's quality history. It's a big seller but it's had a lot of consistent problems other than the tires. The SOHC 4.0, for example, had many years of failed engines from the timing chain situation. Ford eventually took care of the problem (apparently..time will tell) and refunded the money of previous repairs (typically engine replacements). That took about five years of ignoring the problem though. I've read several posts here attempting to claim that the problem only made the engine noisy of which the writers are completely misinformed. The noise was typically a prelude to extensive engine damage if left unattended.
    The Ranger, on the other hand, has a very good reputation so I'd stick with defending the Ranger if I was a Ford guy.
  • tbundertbunder Posts: 580
    TRD has never been available in reg. cab. they must be a tacoma with a TRD sticker. if im wrong, show me proof.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    So.....there's this engine that was put into Ranger ONLY 1 year ago, and ONLY then gave the Ranger the advantage in hp which you brag about. And you are asking, "Why hasnt Toyota produced a competitive engine?". Because building engines is not like breeding rabbits: doesnt happen overnight. Why did Toyota need to anyway? It's had a competitive engine for 6 years before Ford even gave Ranger the bigger and more powerful engine.
    I'm not insulting the Toyota I4. You should have read more carefully. I said, Toyota's I4 is as good as Fords 3.0L V6. And last time I heard, the 3.0L was not the bulletproof, I think even you admitted that there were numerous problems with it.
    Ask any RegCab 4x4 owner in the ttora forum: would they switch to V6? You'll get a vast majority of people say that no. At this point you are making things up, tbunder. Anyone who asked the "How potent is I4?" has gotten the answer that it is very potent. Look at it this way...the I4 is only 20hp rated less than the Nissans' V6.
    Unfortunately, I like V6, and don't particularly like the regcab looks. RegCab is also 500 lbs lighter than Xtracab, weights only 3000 lbs. So an I4 is very much enough for it. I do wish there was a V6 for it. But Toyota has stopped making those in 97.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    Can you please explain your point about the tires? I totally do not understand what you are saying. You put down Tacos for having 16" wheels and then brag on how the Ranger comes with em standard. FX4 has 15". Also, the seatbelt TSB thing that Scorpio posted about - you said it was a safety issue. Its only a safety issue to your ears. LOL. If I am correct, a component in the seatbelt (female part) squeaks alot and there's your recall. Man are they dangerous!
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,824
    cough... cough...
    Trying... to... breathe...
    Too... much... testosterone...
    Where can a girl go for some air?

    Watch the personal attacks. I'd hate to have to put this one in a deep freeze.

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  • ochizonochizon Posts: 25
    This is a pick-up shoot out!!! The only forum where there might be more testosterone is "Who can bench press the most, part XII!"

    Someone should just tie the back of a tacoma to the back of ranger and let'em rip. That would the end of the disscusion.
  • eagle63eagle63 Posts: 599
    I'm not sure exactly what tbunder is getting at with his tire argument. (which has resurfaced a number of times)
    A 265/70/16 is the metric equivalent of a 31x10.5 tire. A "flotation" tire is another term for a tire that's rated "LT," which stands for light truck. LT tires have tougher sidewalls and are generally more rugged, although they give a little stiffer ride on the highway. A tire rated "P" means passenger. It's less durable than an LT but gives a smoother ride. I'm not sure if the Tacoma's tires are P or LT, or if the Ranger has P or LT. Maybe tbunder is trying to argue that the ranger has LT and the tacoma doesn't?? either way, whether it's a metric tire or not has nothing to do with whether it's P or LT.
  • Just want to put my 2 cents worth in
    Last month I purchased a 2001 Mazda B4000 Dual Sport (Mazda's edge version).

    Now, I can appreciate the quality arguments some of you have brought up. I don't like to buy cheap crappy stuff either, ie: pressed wood furniture, etc. but the reality is that autos are outrageously expensive these days and and I need some money left over to be able to actually have fun with my new truck! I have heard alot of people (off these boards) that owned ranger/mazda and loved them, so I wasn't convinced enough to spend way more to get less (less stuff that I care about). I think the toyota (prerunner, not the wimpy looking regular one) is a great looking truck, but my truck looks pretty darn good also.
    (monochromatic black and just added a Jason dimension hard lid - SWEET!)

    I know you've argued prices here before(and the toyota guys don't care), but for what it's worth:
    For $18,800 out the door I got the 207 HP, 5sp auto tranny, 4 X 4 suspension (not 4 wheel drive), full power stuff with remote, cruise, cd player, sliding rear window, bedliner, receiver hitch and wiring, LSD, fog lights, passive anti theft device, 15" alloy wheels, but best of all, and an option I personally love is the rear doors. don't think I would be happy without this, it's too handy.
    The closest prerunner I could come up with was an invoice of 19,513, then I guessed around 700 to add bed liner, hitch, and LSD. Now were at
    20,213. I have no idea what fog lights, antitheft would add, and you can't even get 4 doors on this one. Even if you could buy it at invoice (ha) add fees, 6.5% sales tax and I'm estimating around 21,900. Just seems awfully steep for a compact pickup to me. I got everything I wanted at a more palatable price. If it ends up sucking I guess I've learned a lesson. Right now I'll take that chance.

    Well, I hope everyone enjoys the ride they have and they all last a long time.
  • eagle63eagle63 Posts: 599
    sounds like you got a great truck, enjoy! My biggest gripe with the tacoma is the lack of 4 (or even 3) doors on the Xtra cab models.
  • 2k1trd2k1trd Posts: 301
    You can argue about price,horsepower,options and all that other stuff but you just can't say that the ranger is a better truck than the tacoma!...
    Ive been a auto tech for many years,wouldn't you think i would have a ranger if was the better of the two?I'm not saying that the ranger is a bad vehicle or anything but it just doesn't compare to the quality you get with the yota.That old saying "you get what you pay for"
  • Thanks for narrowing down the list of potential buyers I need to e-mail. Aww, what the heck, you could be lying about that guy in Virginia. I'll just send EVERYBODY my saved pages.

    Now part of my daily routine will be looking at the responses to your ad in E-bay and e-mailing the bidders. Maybe you would have better luck advertising your truck in the newspaper classifieds, where your lies will not catch up to you.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Well, it looks like tbunder is just rewriting the "you pay what you get for" by adding "but that many people just can not be wrong!". Like I said, McDonalds may be a largest fastfood company (I don't know whether it is or not), but it doesnt mean it's any good.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    Piece of mind is worth a good bit to me, and it is to every other person who chooses a taco over anything else. I may not have as much money to "have fun" with my truck after I leave the dealership, but you can be sure that that amount of money is accounted for in other ways. You can't have fun with any truck while its in the shop; I can have fun with the extra thousands of dollars I get from better resale; and I can have fun when I outdo other trucks on the road and trail with better stock equipment.I really don't think my truck needs alot of aftermarket stuff to be better. I'm not gonna dispute the price difference cuz its there, Ranger might even be the best truck for ITS price range. But the extra money you spend on the taco is well spent, even if it isn't on worthless options. They're trucks people, not limos. Peace out.
  • Like 138,700 (or so) miles and climbing on my '93.

    Pluto--->I guess you don't have anything better to do, since you're a government employee... oh never mind. You're just placing yourself on the short end of the karma stick, imho.

    anafofana--->That's what I'm talking about. All the toyota fans here keep preaching quality, peace of mind, and the god given locker. I own a 1993 Ranger that still runs great, and is practically earning me money now because of the low maintenance, the very durable design, and of course the lower payments(or lack there of now). You don't see any Toyota Pickup (Tacoma showed up 1995ish) owners here saying the same.

    2k1trd--->Spent 2 years of my life working as a mechanic as well. I've seen enough toyota's in the shop to know that it's not all it's cracked up to be. I'd say the ratio of Fords to Toyotas are very close to the same ratio of sales. Go figure.

    saddaddy--->Better hope nobody upgrades their "stock" equipment if they meet you off-road. Because that my friend is a whole new ball game, no? That may also be one great use for a the extra thousands of dollars.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    The competition has gotta spend thousands of dollars to keep up with a $22K Taco on the trail. FX4 included. No locker = no get to the top my friend. Lift a tire with that "just as good/next best thing" LSD and tell me what happens. I ain't gotta upgrade my stock equipment my man, and that is truly a great feeling. Let 'em spend their extra money on an electric locker (oh wait there isn't one - now), better shocks, and the like and they might stand a chance. But not b4. You said "that may be one great use for a the extra thousands of dollars." Let me tell ya', if they wanna compete, thats the ONLY use for the extra money. Don't even start with someone wanting to do high speed prerunning. Thats something that no one has brought up. Ford doesn't push many of those. Prerunners are more capable than Ford's similar offering. (loaded comment)
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    Everyone should go to the Lemon truck thread under the pickup section and look at that. AMAZING!!!!
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Which lemon truck thread? Lemonado?
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