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Toyota Tacoma vs. Ford Ranger, Part XII

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  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    I agree. But what happens when people do have receipts from quick lube places (Which I think is not the best place to go to, but oh well)?
  • That one lady's Sienna is sitting in pieces, because she has quick lube receipts. Someplaces go overboard on 30 point inspections and royal purple synthetic oil (for an extra fee), and others might as well be named grease monkey R us.

    But I guess it really boils down to the dealership wanting to deal with it or not.

    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota_engine.html

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  • **obi- im sorry you had problems with your jeeps, but i can say that the new liberty vehicle is leaps and bounds better than any other jeep previously built. and as far as it's off-road ability is concerned, edmunds itself has said that it can and will go anywhere any cherokee has gone. and it is open to just as many mods as a cherokee has ever been open to.

    Sorry the Liberty can't even start to compare with any of the CJ series Jeeps.!
    No V8, No gear driven transfercase.................way to long of a wheelbase.
    My 73 CJ5 was purchased new by my father in 73 and was given to me some years back.
    When your Liberty is 30 years old come then you can start making claims!

    Any of the 4x4's made today will work for Moderate fourwheeling. You could say make it to the Dusy/Eirshim Trailhead, but with out major mods you'd never get past the gaurdian let alone up chicken rock and through the entire route. The Wrangler Rubicon is the closest box stock, but you'd need a 4.5" lift and 33" tires.
  • Can you believe it. One of the arms of the cup holder in my Tacoma broke. I opened it up and a snap ring broke off and now it doesn't work properly. And, my truck is only 1 year old. You see, Tacomas aren't perfect. I'm posting this for all you Ford Fanatics. I'm sure you'll spend the next 100 posts talking about poor Tacoma quality now! Enjoy......Steelman.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Hmm....my 2002 has cupholder as part of the console, with soft rubber holders to keep the cup in place. Didnt 2001s have the same design?
  • No, my 2001 has two cup holders. One on the passenger side that open up to hold two drinks, and one located just below the shift lever (in the center of the passenger cabin)that has two plastic arms that fold in and out (to hold one drink). This is the one that broke. Again, one of the arms on the cup holder no longer works properly. I wonder if this is covered under the bumper to bumper warranty? Anyway, I wanted to prove to the Ford Fanatics that Toyota owners don't hide the problems they have. I wonder if Ranger fans can admit their problems? Or, perhaps they are correct and Rangers really are perfect? Take care........Steelman.
  • smgillessmgilles Posts: 252
    I have a 2001 and it is set up like yours with the 2 cup holders in the center of the console. Again, I will state why I bought a Toyota. a.) Nissan wanted too much, MORE than what I paid for my Toyota. I was a die hard Nissan guy, my last 88 4x4 Nissan had 200,000 with normal maintenance ( 0 Problems). b.)Ford wanted too much, MORE than what I paid for my Toyota. So, I bought the Toyota and have never been happier:) After the Nissan and now the Toyota I will NEVER EVER buy a domestic automobile! PERIOD!

    I don't believe Toyota or Nissan are God's gifts to automobiles, I just feel, along with the majority of others that they are a notch above any Ford, Dodge, Chevy, etc, etc.... Does it matter what I think, absolutely not, only to me.

    So, tbunder you can preach your dogma all you want, it is falling on deaf ears. By the way my father-in law just bought a 2002 4x4 double cab (non-TRD). Why? Because he drove mine! All his life he drove nothing but domestic compacts. I think he thought it was time for some security with his purchase:)
  • ...is longevity. You don't see many 20, 30 or 40+ year old Toyota trucks on the road, do ya? :)

    However, my friend owns a 67 F-100 Ranger. Yeah, it's basically a early F-150, and has some rust in the floor board. However when you pull into the dragstrip with your 1967 Mustang being trailered by a 1967 Ranger, there's just a special glow you feel as all the eyes turn.

    Heck I could keep my 1993, and run it to 200,000+ miles if I want. And when the engine or transmission pukes, I can drop in a 302 fairly easily. You could say parts are cheap when you vehicle is the best seller for the past 15 years. The options are open with the Ranger.

    However I do have plans on retiring my ole reliable for something new in 2003. Just have to see what's new and available then, but the Ranger will always be my first pick. The new Edges look so nice, but I'm gonna have to wait for the possible v8.
  • Stang, I don't think Toyota even made Tacomas 20 years ago. Besides, its not the age that matters, it is the mileage. I've said it before, I've seen several Tacomas with 200,000 plus miles on them but I haven't seen one Ranger with that much mileage. My girlfriend's parents have a 6 year old Ranger with 100,000 miles on it and it is really falling apart and is definitely on its last legs. I'm not very impressed with the longevity of the Rangers I've seen. Take care........Steelman.
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    My dad had a "hi lux" in the early 70's.You don't see many of those any more.All toyotas sold in the US until the mid 80's were built in japan for the US market.They (IMO)were better than the ones we got in Okinawa.My family has owned Toyotas for 30 years and to me the quality has been going down hill since about '90.Don't get me rong.I still think there at the top,but the gap is no longer worth considering.
    I know 3 people with 80's rangers with more than 150k.My 95 Taco is the highest milage one I know of at 105,521 mi.
    kip
  • Before that, the Toyota Pickup started 1988. I can find references to 1973 Toyota pickup trucks, but before that I don't know.

    But how many early 90's Tacoma's/Pickups do you see on the road? That was the purpose of my previous post. Just saying how nice it is to have trucks that can not only deliver now, but when cared for can deliver many decades and owners later. I guess nobody drives the old Toyota's because 1. They either rusted to pieces, or 2. They could only fit a 2.0l 4 cylinder under the hood.

    Also I would question the care your girlfriend's parents have given their Ranger. The truck should be no more than halfway through it's lifespan, but falling apart, it probably received the red-headed step child treatment.
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    I had 2 of them 74 & 79. Lousy heaters,
    Rust galore from brutal NY winters and
    salt. Blew head gaskets in both (not under
    warranty) Lousy dealer service. I believe
    they only had 1 yr , 12k mile warranty !
    Both bought new ! GMs after that !
    Not flaming toys just MY EXPERENCE !....Geo

    BTW:Both bought during our supposed oil
    crisis ! They were GREAT on gas tho !
    My dads 73 chev 1/2 6 cyl stick could
    barely get 10 mpg !
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    I see a good share of rusted up American trucks here in Austin.
    As an inquery: wasn't a 2.0L engine enough 10 years ago? The latest craze for bigger engine pretty much started with SUVs. A 2.7L I4 that 4-banger Tacomas have in them, one pushing 150hp, seems to be enough for those who have it, and from their opinions they would not switch to V6.
    I still see some Toy Pickups out there. Just last Saturday, at the Devils Den in San Antonio, one of the trucks in our group was a 1983 Toy Pickup with the 4-banger. Looked a little banged up in the front from an old accident, but not rusty and running pretty good.
  • I see lots of old Toyota pickups here in So. California. In fact it would be difficult to not see one driving around here if you out on the road for an hour or so. In contrast, I rarely if ever see an old Ranger here.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    I see tons and tons of old toyota pickups on the road. There are as many pretacoma toyotas on the road here in MS as there are Tacomas - prolly more. They all run real good, too. I know several people with em. They beat the hell out of em, do some body work after 12 years and keep on going.
  • eagle63eagle63 Posts: 599
    I think the biggest factor in having a 20+ year old truck is how well it was taken care of. A truck kept in a heated garage it's whole life that was treated well mechanically and not driven hard will probably last a long time, no matter what the make.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Grand Cherokees are finally getting recalled with their old trannies that allow vehicles to roll backwards. 1.6M SUVs total. I've heard about this at least 1-2 years ago, there was a TV story on some woman who killed her kid like that, and they are just now getting to recalling it. The story is on Yahoo somewhere.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    Most were worked hard here in the oil fields, as that's the truck of choice. Most of these guys keep them forever. Personally know of several 88-90's 4X4's with well over 300K and beyond dents in every body panel, they hold up rather well. One thing to consider is there weren't as many Toyotas sold 20 years ago, so there weren't that many on the road to begine with. You'd have to compare the number still on road with number sold new to get an accurate statistic.

    All I know is an early 90's Toy 4X4 is expensive to buy even with high miles because there is alot of demand for them.
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    and rust belt NY. The worst ting you
    can do is put your daily driver car or
    truck in and out of the garage during
    winter !!!!!!
    Garage is always warmer than outside
    and warms up that salt enough to eat
    that sheetmetal FASTER !!!!!
  • tbundertbunder Posts: 580
    "an early 90's Toy is expensive to buy even with high miles because there is alot of demand for them."

    exactly who wants an old underpowered rust bucket with blown engine gaskets? you must be talking over in the middle east, eh?

    seems that's all i see on the road today is early 90's toyota pickups with that awesome 2.8 in them, seems everyone's trading their trucks in on them. not!

    sorry, but i had to. it was too funny reading your quote on the high demand of old toyota's.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Since nobody wants the old Fords, you might as well make fun of Toyota. We understand. How many old Toyotas do you see in papers and on the side of roads with "4 Sale" sign, and how many Rangers? Or just check out any used car dealership and compare the ratio.
  • kbtoyskbtoys Posts: 62
    Or you could just compare resale value between an old toyota and an old ranger
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Ford resale value may not drop as fast the first couple of years, but after that it's like a joyride down the rollercoaster.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    according to edmunds, 1990 similar model 4X4's, Toyota is $600 more (that's ONLY 20% more). There's actually a bigger gap than that here. My dad was looking for a cheap truck to run around the farm. Bought a '91 Ranger reg. cab 4X4 with 120K miles. Paid $3600 for it and it had new timing belt, new clutch, and new 30" tires. I know for a fact I can't buy a similar Toy anywhere near that price. Maybe totally ragged with 200K miles and bald 225's. If I was to pick up a beater truck, an old Toy is about the only thing I'd consider. That 4 banger in my dad's truck is weaker than any Toy 4cyl I've driven. And that push-button 4X4 system it has is about worthless. Push the button, drive around wait for it to engage. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. Garbage.
  • 2k1trd2k1trd Posts: 301
    Ok i'm at work today (working on a crappy Kia)and i notice the guy who reads the electricity meter walk in and he's driving a new Ranger 4x4 (company vehicle)and i ask him how he likes the new Ranger compared to the older models he had been driving and he gives me this face and replies and i quote "nope they are still crappy and it's got 11k on it and just had the rear shocks replaced and there are a bunch of little sh@#$#$t problems with it too!" ...i just laughed.
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    NO ! The 2.0(20R) and 22R did not have enough power !They only got about 20 mpg(4x4)because they spent too much time in lower gears.They were slow but they hualed alot for thier size.Most important (to me) they were the most capable off road little truck ever built.They are still sought after by off road enthusiasts,but we all would have liked more power.IMO the 2.7 would be perfect for this,1000lb less than Tacoma,truck.
    As for the value of old american trucks.There cheap to rebuild,or modify and very popular.The truck my Taco replaced was a '53 Willys PU.I replaced the early buick v6 in it for not much more than the price of a toyota starter.Everywere I went people wanted to buy it from me.They even came to my door and asked if I would sell it !
    kip
  • Now that you have me really looking, I saw 3 old Toyota trucks and no old Rangers at lunch today. On the way home I saw five old Toyotas (two really ancient but looking good) and one older Ranger. Since Southern California pretty much has more vehicles on the road driving more miles on average than any other state, I would say that this limited experiment is significant. It appears that your statement doesn't hold up and that more old Toyota trucks are still being driven than old Rangers to me. Considering the fact that Toyota sells way less than Ford (as you Ford guys love to point out), and more older Toyotas are on the road than Fords, I can clearly see why Toyota has the reputation and Ford doesn't. :)
  • smgillessmgilles Posts: 252
    What cars do people have the most interest in?


    http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/mostpopular/45763/article.html


    No Ford Ranger in sight! Tacoma #19 out of 50
    Ford had a total of 5 cars vs Toyota's 12!

    I know it doesn't mean anything, but Toyota wins again:)

  • That may mean that the Ranger buyer already knows that he's buying a piece of junk because he's paying less than the Tacoma. Consequently, he doesn't bother to research the Ranger.:)
  • tbundertbunder Posts: 580
    toyota wins again? what? in what category? ranger has the tacoma beat in everything. sales, power, options, towing, configurations, price, etc.

    as for resale value, the gap is not that much if any now. considering the ranger sells over a hundred thousand more units a year over the not so sought after tacoma, it's only common sense that more of them will be for sale and the value won't be as much. there are more of them guys. a little analogy- harleys vs. japanese motorcycles. when i take deliver of my harley hugger two months from now, it will hold its value forever. since there are more [non-permissible content removed] cruisers and they are cheaper, they won't hold their value as well. the tacoma isn't nowhere near as sought after as the harley, nor will it actually appreciate in value, but it's a fair comparison regarding fewer units produced and holding value vs. lots more units produced at cheaper prices and not holding their value as well.

    as for that worthless article on what people have the most interest in, i guess they missed the final sales reports for the last 15 years. seems the ranger has the most interested buyers, how could it be the sales leader if it doesn't have more interested buyers? explain that one? lmao
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