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Toyota Tacoma vs. Ford Ranger, Part XII



  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    can "offroad" just as well if not better than your beloved Tacoma's. With the shorter wheelbase they can climb better and have a better angle of departure than the Tacoma. I even believe the liberty has a better angle of incline than the Tacoma. I have seen these little utes in action and don't put these down.
    This locker you guys speak so highly of is very limited in where/when it can be used. Toyota has marketed this very well. Most of this is purely for show and macho image. The fact is most of you would not take your $22-24,000 TRD 4x4 V6 automatics into areas where a locker will get its full use. We have been through all this 1000 times.. And, the locker is an OPEN axle when not engaged. This doesn't help you tow anything nor offroad.
    Funny too, same old story with Rangers not able to offroad.. I have taken my 1998 4x4 Ranger into the MT national forest, Tillamook National Forest and MT ST Helens area to the Deserts of Central/Eastern Oregon.. Its done me just fine...
    By the way the resale on my Honda is not that great.. Paid 17K, only worth 13-14K tops now...???
  • frey44frey44 Posts: 230
    It even LOOKS feminine. Maybe the German company should put out a limited edition pink version....
  • tbunder1tbunder1 Posts: 257
    i think that most of you are stereotyping the liberty very badly. yes it's competitors are the escape, and the.......escape. but just cuz it's a mini suv doesn't mean it isn't "built". look at the thing. dana axles, full skidplates, off-road pkg., locking rear, water deflector on the air intake enabling it to ford water up to it's hood, real tow hooks front and rear, a full spare. the liberty is a mini suv yes, but it is also, imo, a very useable wrangler type vehicle. no it isn't as capable off-road as the wrangler, but it's not far behind. i think some of you should read a few articles. i can say that my liberty is more solid than any vehicle ive been in. the body panels are thick and the doors are bolted on by huge mounts, and not glued. here are some articles just to help you all see it also is a real contender off-road.
    scorpio, i don't know what article you read, but liberty isn't known for it's "great ride", as it has a live axle back there with an off-road suspension. please educate yourself before you blanket the liberty into vue, escape, rav4, etc. territory.

    take this for what it's worth, but all of them note liberty's off-road worthiness.(due to edmunds 115 character rule, i couldn't post all links, but just type in "jeep liberty off-road" in your search machine and you can read all day on how good the liberty is off-road) i can't believe you true off-road guys don't recognize true off-road potentiality when you see it. low front and rear overhangs are the start. high ground clearance is good too. power and torque are a must. dana axles are very important. water fording capability very necessary. i could go on. the liberty has all of this, but you all still fail to accept that it is an off-road machine. i think i see some denial in tacoma land. oh, did i mention liberty got five stars in crash tests from NHTSA? stop being so ignorant guys.
  • tbunder1tbunder1 Posts: 257
    frey- since when did DC become a german company. my jeep was built in toledo, ohio.

    if you want to talk about "SISSY VEHICLES", you better start looking at your tacoma if you even have one. comparing liberty to tacoma, the taco has pint sized a-arms compared to liberty's cast iron offerings. your little tacoma is down 20 horse and 15 lb/ft of torque compared to the liberty V6. liberty has Dana axles compared to your "corporate [non-permissible content removed]" no name axles that i know, never have problems. and comparing tacoma's tin can skidplates to liberty's solid steel mounts just shows where toyota shaves production dollars. i could go on and on, but it's a lost cause. because trying to educate someone like yourself who is so caught up in the "i own a toyota and now im god" thing is a lost cause. hope you document each oil change on that toyota.
  • daveghhdaveghh Posts: 495

    Too bad the Liberties ground clearence is insignificant compared to the Tacoma. No comparision there!
  • I do remember the ground clearance of the liberty is 9.6 inches to Tacoma's 10 inches. Big difference there.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Liberty has a long way to prove itself as a "worthy" vehicle to bear Jeep mark. That's all there's to it.

    And Liberty got less than average (M overall) crash test from IIHS. I wouldn't get too crazy about V6 numbers......bigger engines, but more specifically, newer engines, designed by DC while having competitors' numbers on hand. Hows your gas milage, btw? Every review I read says it sucks.
  • saddaddysaddaddy Posts: 566
    don't hate on this guy's new ride. That's just mean and disrespectful. Tbunder just got what he needed - point, blank, period. Try to be happy for him. He obviously had his family in mind with the purchase, and sometimes thats the way it has to be.
  • I'll help him out in one regard:

    The Liberty is the only mini-SUV (out of the Escape, Tribute, CR-V, RAV-4 and even the Rover Freelander) that is RWD based and has a solid rear axle. Take it for what it's worth. I'll take a Liberty anyday over these other for off-roading. I like them.....A lot better than I like Rangers!

  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Because otherwise Liberty would be a [non-permissible content removed] child in a long family of offroaders: Cherokee and GC are pretty good offroad too. I doubt many people who bought Liberty would ever take it offroad.
  • The best off-road vehicles are not factory built, they are custom made. I still do not see why the one function where your vehicle spends the least amount of time has so much emphasis.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    are just two of the reasons "offroad ability" are important. to over 95 percent of owners it means nothing.
  • allknowingallknowing Posts: 866
    90% or more of your posts attempt to demonstrate that your Ranger 4X4 is just as good as the Tacoma off-road. Does that mean that you have a poor self-image or just a big ego?
    95% of us don't really care either way.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Because when you need it, and don't have it, you sing a different song.
    Of course, that applies mostly to rural areas, but it could have limited application even in urban areas at times of snow/rain etc.
  • It sure does not snow often around Dallas.

    There might be ice once a year or so, but off-road ability does not help you there. Besides, off-road prowress does not equate to on-road traction. Sure, 4WD and grippy tires do help, but that suspension lift and great ground clearance will do nothing for you. Besides I'd rather have a limited slip pumpkin over a locker on Ice/Snow/Rain anyway. 150 pounds of sand does more wonders than any off-road package.

    I guess it just comes to a point where you eat, breathe, drink, sleep, and live the off-roading lifestyle, and it becomes all that is important. Enjoy it man, just do not expect the majority to share your ideals.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Sure doesn't snow in Dallas much. But it's not like I stay in Austin, never leave it and wait for that snow to come. I drive to CO, KS and other places that do get snow and nasty weather. Yes, a TRD package is an overkill for bad weather. A 4x4 is certainly good for you when it happens.
  • tbunder1tbunder1 Posts: 257
    new baby arrived monday morning. hee haw. nothing like a new baby. especially when she's healthy and beautiful. mom doing excellent too. two girls, talk about having a full plate. going tomorrow to get my blem BFG's replaced with the real things. $100 more for the five. blems just had screwed up white letters, but they said blem on the blackwalls i had out. looked like crap. i ALSO WILL take the lib off road. it looks totally awesome with the BFG's. id send a pic, but i dont know how to on this forum. later taters
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