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Dodge Neon SRT-4

rezo00rezo00 Posts: 103
The SRT-4 will have a 16-valve dohc turbocharged 2.4-liter transverse-mounted four driving the front wheels with 205 hp and 220 lb ft of torque. Weighing in at an estimated 2970 pounds, the SRT-4 goes from zero to 60 in 5.9 seconds,

So says autoweek.

lb/hp = 14.48
does anyone see a problem here...
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  • When I heard that figure, I thought it sounded a bit optimistic.

    I'd be more inclined to believe mid to high 6's.. but who knows? Time will tell.
  • There's a controversial analysis about the SRT-4 from the site http://autozine.kyul.net/0_News/Latest/Current/News_frame.htm :


    "That is all for what Chrysler press kit told me. What it did not say is how to handle the tremendous torque in the front-wheel-drive chassis. The Neon and even R/T were never renowned for handling, now putting far more power to the front wheels without the help of any limited slip differential and traction control (yes, the press release did not mention) will surely make it one of the worst hot rods to drive. Expect torque steer, wheelspin, understeer and scary moments ...


    "So, go for the SVT Focus instead. European guys are more lucky, as the Focus RS will debut later this year. With 15 more horsepower and 1 lbft more torque than the Neon ...


    What do you think ?

  • freddy_kfreddy_k Posts: 376
    An econo car with 200 hp is - still an economy car, only faster, more dangerous, and uncomfortably loud and stiff. You still get the questionable build quality and fit n finish. There are so many affordable cars to choose from that already come with a natural 200 hp, or close to it, that would be a much smarter buy to anyone except the drag racer. The Turbo is an extra maintanence expense which will need replacing eventually and wear the engine quicker.
  • imaramimaram Posts: 36
    I don't think current turbos are the bane of the enthusiasts wallet that their predecessors were.

    This application only follows what "tuners" have been doing for some time already. If that package were in the current PT, the press would be going freaking nuts!

    Can't agree with his handling observations on past iterations. While not stellar, handling was certainly better than mid-pack for mid-level econoboxes. A tire change was enough to raise it several notches on the scale, too, since Chrysler put such pitiable rubber on as original equipment.

    Can agree though with the sentiment that unless there is some enhanced control, torque steer and understeer are unavoidable, I would think.

    SVT Focus would be an admirable alternative, though not quite as attractive to my mind.
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    "The Neon and even R/T were never renowned for handling"

    Hmm, better tell the folks with Neon ACRs (American Club Racer) that their cars aren't renowned for handling. The Neon, especially in first gen guise, was and is one of the best auto-x cars out there, and fine for track racing as well. Just be careful with those front wheel bearing and slicks, tehe.

    The SRT-4 will have equal length driveshafts, which will ease the amount of torque steer problems.

    Hmm, if the turbo does go at 80K, replace it with a better one for $600. Big deal.

    freddy_k, what other new sporty car comes with 200HP or more for 20K or less?

    -B
  • rezo00rezo00 Posts: 103
    autocross is a joke...real roads dont look like thoes carzy mall parking lot courses...want to beat every one in an autocross? get a high powered gokart and it will kick everyones [non-permissible content removed].
  • cyranno99cyranno99 Posts: 419
    this car is built for the Neon's image... nothing else. I'd rather buy a WRX at a higher price. Both of those cars are "homely" looking.

    same???
    beanboy "Dodge Neon SRT-4" Jan 4, 2002 7:38am
  • imaramimaram Posts: 36
    Don't know why we're talking about it in here, since it's a sedan, but, hey, lose the oversized trunk-handle and the hood decoration, and I like it!

    cyranno: Subaru styling is definitely an acquired taste! I haven't acquired it. :)
  • cyranno99cyranno99 Posts: 419
    not surprised .... the local dealer is advertising that there are a few WRX still on the lot... so buy one and modify the headlights!!!!
  • Is it possible that some of you are missing the point? What do you want for under $20k?

    In building the SRT-4, Chrysler isn't saying "Aha! We'll teach the competition a lesson in handling, power, refinement, styling, stability, longevity, and all around sex appeal with this one!" To be closer to the truth, I think they're saying "Here's a Neon with a turbo. Have fun guys!"

    The car is obviously targeted at the young "tuner" crowd. It's not SUPPOSED to be a WRX or Integra Type-R... that's why it's thousands of dollars less expensive.

    Look at all these kids (young and old) that put buttloads of cash into everyday grocery getters to get them to look and drive like performance vehicles (see www.riceboypage.com for heaps of examples). The idea of the SRT-4 is to take that 'everyday grocery getter' and make it respectable on the tuner scene in STOCK trim, with an intact warranty to boot. Some of these cars that people modify, how much cash and time do they have to invest to get their cars to perform on par with the SRT-4? 205hp stock... add a few simple bolt-ons, nothing major, and you can have that thing at about 215-220hp or more, still with a warranty. If you want to talk major mods, the sky's the limit.

    I just wish I could see the look on Joe Blow's face when a kid in a Neon beats his Type-R to the next stoplight.
  • rezo00rezo00 Posts: 103
    now that I think about it under 20k is cheap
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,796
    The Neon handled pretty darn good for its price class, and Skip Barber uses them for their track cars. Beat the hell out of them, too.

    Problem was Chrysler dropped the ball on this car after intro. With some juice, a little more development and tighter quality control, the little Neon could have been one of the most inexpensive fun car bargains in the world.

    Chrysler missed a great opportunity with this car, IMO. It could have been the re-incarnated Alfa Romeo Sprint of the 2000s, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.........

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  • swinga7swinga7 Posts: 45
    they should have named this new car something different. the neon name is already seen as a "chick" car. What guy will honestly want to say that he drives a neon? Even the extra power wont convince me to ever get inside one of those.

    plus I still think its looks stupid.. its cross between the dodge neon, dodge stratos, and a subaru wrx. Three cars that I thought looked bad to begin with, why would I want all three in one car?
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    If you noticed, I also said "fine for track racing as well." Plenty of Neons like this one: http://www.empire1.net/racing/car.shtml out there.


    -B

  • moparmadmoparmad Posts: 197
    First thing that strikes me is how does a Neon weigh nearly 3000 pounds? My wifes 95 weighed 2260 pounds,are the new ones that much heavier?
    I love the way everyone attacks the Neon SRT before it is even in production,just be happy that the car companies are making an effort. They need to start before they can improve if it truly does end up being a pig.
    Also the SRT is scheduled for 17 inch rims,50 series tires completely tuned struts and shocks,11" discs and standard ABS,it will be far from a Neon with a Turbo shoved on it.
  • Swinga:
    "they should have named this new car something different. the neon name is already seen as a "chick" car."

    Actually, if you look at Dodge's site, it looks like the name is just "SRT-4" .. no reference to Neon in there. Also it's a bit blurry but a picture of the trunk labeling appears to only say "Dodge" and "SRT-4".

    "plus I still think its looks stupid.. its cross between the dodge neon, dodge stratos[sic], and a subaru wrx. Three cars that I thought looked bad to begin with, why would I want all three in one car?"

    You know if you don't like the styling of this car or the cars that influenced it -- why consider it or even talk about it? It seems you are wasting your time.

    Everyone:
    My personal take on the styling. I think it's a big improvement over the standard Neon. I like the new, more "Dodge-ish" grille. I don't care too much for the cross-eyed headlights, but they look less awkward than the Subaru WRX's. I think the trunk spoiler would be better if it weren't so tall, and were thinner/sharper.

    As for performance -- I guess we'll have to wait and see.. No doubt it'll be faster than a lot of cars on the road, but will it really make 0-60 in 5.9? Still when you consider the $20K price, I think it's a great deal.

    Shifty is right tho: the changes from the 1st to 2nd gen Neon should have made it more sporting -- not less. They should have produced the SRT two years ago, when they first did a "tuned" Neon concept.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,796
    Ah, don't me me started. Chrsyler missed a tremendous, absolutely tremendous opportunity with the Neon, IMO. It could have kicked Honda right in the pants.

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  • jaserbjaserb Posts: 858
    My first new car was a '99 Neon Sport 5 speed in electric blue. With the (stock) fog lites, body effects and spoiler I thought it looked pretty good. It was a kick in the pants to drive, too. What other new car could you get at the time with 150 hp for under 13 grand fully loaded (or now, for that matter)? I'd probably still have it, but with bits and pieces falling off periodically after 10k miles, I decided I'd better lose it before the warranty ran out. I completely agree with Shifty - if Dodge could have given the Neon a minimal amount of quality to go with its spunky engine and tight handling chassis, they would have had a real winner, ala Sentra SE-R (the old, much better one).

    -Jason
  • rezo00rezo00 Posts: 103
    only big full size dodges and chryslers will have any quality...they get some MB components...litle ones get Mitsubishi components which is the one brand besides ford and VW that is rated worse then dodge (not including dawoo/kia/hundai)
  • imaramimaram Posts: 36
    I am not aware of any current Chryslers with MB componenets. Transmissions are slated for upcoming models.

    Neon, and Sebring and Stratus sedans are all Chrysler.

    Sebring and Stratus coupes are Eclipses with new skins. Currently, that's the extent of Mitsu. Next gen Neons will be based on Lancer. I'll take some of that any damn day.
  • If Chrysler was a bigger, richer company, like GM, they probably would have put more into the Neon. But the truth is, cars like the Neon aren't were the big profits are made, so they won't invest in drastically improving them (especially when they already sell quite well as they are).
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,796
    Well, I see your point but a really outstanding Neon would have increased market share, even at no immediate profit. This is what the Japanese did anyway, selling their cars cheap to get market share in the 80s. Geez, don't they pay these execs enough to figure this stuff out?

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  • jaserbjaserb Posts: 858
    Mattdee1...
    If the Neon were made by GM, more money would have been put into development? Like GM did with the Cavalier, Sunfire, Saturn S-series, Sprint, Metro, Citation or Chevette? When has GM ever made small cars a priority? The only really good GM compact I can think of is the Nova/Prizm venture with Toyota. I think the point is that domestic manufacturers need to start beefing up their entry level models, or they'll never build up a customer base that aspires to the profitable ones. If my first car was a Neon that turns out to be a piece of junk (which is true, btw) I'm highly unlikely to buy a 300M or Ram when I get to that position in life. Same goes for Ford and GM.

    -Jason
  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    This model looks interesting, but I am sorry this is coming way too late. Chrysler needed to come out with a replacement for the neon right now, not just some new hotted up version of the current one. The neon is getting old.

    As far as dometics entry level models...
    The focus is a great car with really nice handling and a great manual transmission, (a little weird looking though) if ford could only deal with those realiabilty issues. Funny, but I don't think they are having these same problems from the focus in the UK. It is their best selling automobile.
  • rezo00rezo00 Posts: 103
    Saturn, Saturn, Saturn, Saturn, Saturn...duhh...
  • Yeah, I guess GM doesn't do much in the way of beefing up their entry level cars either, so maybe it was a bad example. The point I was trying to make was that regardless of how logical or obvious a product idea might seem to an auto-enthusiast, it's not necessarily going to look logical and obvious to the bean counters at these car companies.
  • The current Neon body style is 2 years old, 2nd generation. What is considered to be old?

    Saturn=Boring
  • rezo00rezo00 Posts: 103
    it looks exactly like the previous neon body style with very few changes.

    neon=broken
  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    Not body style, but whats inside. Its basically the same old neon but slightly better looking. It is an old platform that needs to be retired.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    I think Chrysler is trying to do what Honda does - add a sportier model to the lineup a year or two before the car gets a full redesign.

    I'm pretty sure there are hundreds of domestic fans that would love to show up the modified Civics/Eclipses on the street.
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