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Mazda6 Hatchback

revkarevka Posts: 1,750
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This is also a continuation of this previous (now archived) Mazda6 hatchback discussion. And to start, here's a direct link to Edmunds' preview article of the 3003 Mazda 6 from 10/17/2001. Thanks for your comments. ;-)

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  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    from Edmunds' Daily Headlines section:

    "Mazda replaces its slow-selling 626 sedan in 2003 with a new midsize car called the Mazda6, the requisite four-door sedan will be the first to arrive. A four-door hatchback, a body style not available in the midsize segment, and a wagon, which few rivals offer, will follow later in the year."

    Read the full story here: Mazda Goes Along with Trend by Introducing New Hatchback, Chicago Tribune, 2002-01-21. What do you think? If you come across more information about the Mazda6 hatchback, feel free to share it here. Thanks for your participation.

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  • I'm not sure if this is good or bad, but it looks a lot like a Sedan, except for the rear wiper. Pretty sweet ride though... looks like a cross betweenan Acura TL and a Lexus IS 300, and with a lower price to boot.

    Wonder if the seat fold flat?

    Greg
  • elec3elec3 Posts: 160
    Look very similar to the Protege5. If you cut that picture like so:
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    And what you have is a yellow Protege5 :) Still, I imagine Mazda will do something to make the 6 larger inside than the 5 and Protege sedan, otherwise there wouldn't be much point. I'm happy to see it though, the 626 is getting to be a horribly dated design and is not enough car to compete with the Toyotas and Hondas of the world.

    PS: Apologies to Edmunds for reposting that picture. The 2-second Photoshop was the easiest way for me to let everyone out there see what I was seeing.
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    we need more hatchbacks. Bring it on!
  • I've owned two Mazda 626 5 doors in the past. I currently have a 1990 626 GT 5 door which I'm looking to replace in the next year or so. I would definitely be interested in a 5 door Mazda 6 should it be offered in the US. It has to be offered with a 5 speed manual, however. A turbo on top of that would be even better. My current GT is a 5 speed with turbo and I love it. I saw the 5 door Mazda 6 at the Detroit International Auto Show and it was very sharp. Much more interesting than the sedan version.
  • kenokakenoka Posts: 218
    This poor thread seems to be sleeping. I too think the hatchback is the best looking of the three. The sedan and the wagon are both gorgeous, but the hatchback is simply breathtaking! If I wanted to raise a bit of ruckus, I might say that the sedan is reminiscent of the IS300/Altezza (hmm, Altezza, Atenza...maybe that's why it's called the 6), and the wagon looks a bit like the Audi A4 Avant. The hatchback on the other hand looks very unique. Opinions?
  • verozahlverozahl Posts: 574
    Opinions, Kenoka? I agree, the Atenza/6 is the child of a Altezza/A4 Avant. It's a new breed of small-midsize sporty sedan/wagon. The 5-door hatchback, though, needs reintroduction. It got my parents into an Accord back in 1982. The new Accord and new 6 should be somewhat similar, dontcha think?
  • kenokakenoka Posts: 218
    I remember the Accord hatchback. I thought that was a 3-door hatch though? I don't remember a 5-door. I agree that there should be more hatchbacks on the market. Not to start the SUV flame war all over again, but it seems buyers are coming back around to the obvious virtues of wagons and hatchbacks: utility, convenience, economy, and performance all in one package. I have been looking at wagons because of utility (I have a dog also), but upon seeing the Mazda6 hatchback I knew I had come home. Although there is a sacrifice in space/utility between it and the wagon, there's no question which has the instant desire factor. I had heard that Honda might bring back the Accord wagon, but nothing about a hatchback. In what ways were you thinking they'd be similar?
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Does anyone know when the hatchback will be available in dealerships? Or the sedan? Or the wagon?
  • kenokakenoka Posts: 218
    Ha,ha now if you want POS we can talk about the 1981 Ford Fairmont my dad bought after his 1979 Pinto crapped out. We also had a 1978 Pinto with the big glass hatchback. I was under 10 back then, otherwise I might have worn a bag over my head any time I was forced to ride in those beauties. ;) The final straw was the 1985 Escort that my dad talked me into buying when I scrounged up enough money to buy a car. It had the tackiest red vinyl interior I have ever seen. Being 16 I drove it like I was AJ Foyt. The irony is that the Fairmont broke down and was in the shop, and my dad had to borrow my car. He was enjoying driving a stick for the first time in years. He pushed it a little on the way home, and promptly blew two cylinders! He was so mortified he promised me he'd buy me another car. I was ecstatic, since I hated the Escort anyway, but to my horror I was given the keys to the Fairmont! :O
    Anyway, sorry for the length, but your story took me back. Needless to say my dad is no longer a Ford man...they now have a 1992 Accord wagon.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Twice the quality?

    See post 75 in Ford Focus wagons forum here at Edmunds. It isn't atypical of the experiences I have heard. How many recalls has Focus had?

    Admittedly, it is MUCH more fun to drive than the average small car. Were it not for its abysmal quality record, I might buy a Focus.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    gotta ask that we're careful about the language we use here. Remember this is a family oriented website.

    And to get back to the subject, someone above asked when Mazda6 might be arriving.... If anyone hears anything about that, particularly about the hatch, we hope you'll return here to share the news.... Thanks for your participation.

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  • kenokakenoka Posts: 218
    Sorry Revka-mea culpa.
    On the intro-I have heard both spring 2003 and fall 2003. What I'm really interested in is the MazdaSpeed or MPS version. I think this will probably be offered a year later, as Mazda has done with the Protege. Has anyone heard whether it will be offered as a hatch?
  • civicwcivicw Posts: 135
    The hatch is scheduled to be available in May/June of next year, along with the wagon. Mazda has it backwards, it's the hatch that will be a big hit with buyers tired of the same old family sedans. I can't believe that somebody at Mazda actually gets paid big bucks to make decisions like this!

    I must say that those Mazda designers for the hatch deserve an award, for giving it a sedan look. That styling will satisfy the traditional sedan buyer who also wants more utility.
  • kenokakenoka Posts: 218
    Hey, that's me! Actually, I'm more like the wagon buyer who needs the utility but wants something with a little more visual appeal than the standard boxy wagon. Although to be honest I really like the look of the 6 wagon...it just isn't as good looking as the hatch. The hatchback is really the best of both worlds, and in the case of the 6 it's the best looking of the bunch; a design coup.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,469
    I agree about the hatch being the best of both worlds, like my '91 626 was (not a 2001 as some of you were so kind to point out).

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • fgaydosfgaydos Posts: 319
    I have a '00 ZX3 Focus and it is a pain with the recalls. Though most were for nonsense, one was for a rear wheel nut.
    However, that being said, the '02 Focus do not have recalls. This is consistant with Ford. In all of Ford car profiles in Consumers Reports, the first year quality is terrible and improves year to year to the point that they become best buys from CR
    Point of story, check out the ZX5, no recalls and it's loaded with power everything. Cheap.
    Still love my ZX3, it's a blast to drive.
  • tdp05tdp05 Posts: 16
    I think the hatch is a great looking car. Any idea on estimated pricing?
  • dayokayodedayokayode Posts: 31
    I agree that the hatchback is the fairest of them all; it just looks great in yellow.

    I've not seen anything on pricing; to be competitive, however, it ought to start around 18k.
  • tdp05tdp05 Posts: 16
    It'll be competing with the Accord, Altima, Camry class, I'm guessing?

    I don't like yellow cars that much, but the hatch looks beautiful with the yellow and the dark tint. The blue isn't so bad either.

    You think the hatch will be significantly more than the 4 door?
  • kenokakenoka Posts: 218
    Pricing is expected to stay in the neighborhood of the 626 (18-22000). I would expect a small increase in pricing, but I'm sure the boys in Hiroshima know that they have to price themselves below the Camry and Accord to be competitive at this point. I haven't heard any pricing difference between the sedan and the hatchback. Maybe it'll be like the WRX, where the wagon is $500 LESS than the sedan. I won't hold my breath though. Most likely a $500-1000 premium.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,324
    The Japanese market prices are posted. Convert from Yen to USD and add a bit for transportation and customs. I think they all start at about $18,000US. Strangely enough, the wagon and hatch both end lower than the sedan. It must have a longer options list.
  • kenokakenoka Posts: 218
    As great as it would be to get Japanese market pricing, it doesn't happen very often. Cars are often significantly cheaper in the Japanese market versus over here. Much of it has to do with the ultra-restrictive taxing structure for cars over there which makes it more economical to buy a new car every three or four years than to license an older car. The automakers also often hedge pricing for Yen to Dollar fluctuations.
    That being said, it looks like the Sport and Wagon versions are at about a $2000 premium in Japan. This probably (and hopefully) represent the premium in the US because wagons and hatchbacks are much more popular in Japan.

    From the Mazda Japan website:
    Sedan w/2.3l: 2,100,000 Yen = 16,894.91 USD
    Sport w/2.3l: 2,300,000 Yen = 18,503.83 USD
    Sport wagon is priced same as Sport. Pricing as of today's exchange rate.

    So if they fudge a little, a mild price increase over the 626 is very reasonable.
  • doolin98doolin98 Posts: 2
    All I hear from these auto companies is that Americans won't buy a mid-size four door hatch. Just because some of the hatches of the 80s leaked and looked different from sedans, does not mean Americans will only buy sedans. It means we want cool looking hatches that don't leak. The hottest selling cars in the compact segment currently have a wagon/hatch look (ie. Toyota Matrix, Protege5, and WRX). I think Mazda would find a sedan looking vehicle with a hatch will sell well considering it has no competition in its class.
  • bpibpi Posts: 120
    If it's defined by the inventory in number of days, then yes. I doubt they're hot-selling based on absolute numbers. Also, looking like a wagon/hatchback is not what sells the Matrix. Probably looking like an SUV has more to do with it.

    Do Americans want a mid-size vehicle with a V-6 and a manual transmission? I do. Most Americans don't.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,324
    The wagon too.

    My wife'll be looking soon. Definitely looking for a wagon or 5-dr hatch since she needs to haul around her cello.

    And my next car (not truck, SUV or minivan) will be a 5-dr hatch or wagon. Got my sights on the P5, unless the 6 hatch or wagon better fits my needs and desires.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I don't see what the big deal is about Americans and hatchbacks. It seems that here, most people associate hatchbacks with bargain basement economy cars. They are so versatile though, and easy to load alot of stuff into. They also are (in some cases, but only a little) smaller than their sedan counterparts.

    Also, they have rear wipers, which improves vision out the back alot in inclement weather to boot.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,324
    Although they did cave in to "mainstream" market demands in the US and came out with the sedan version of their new 9-X first, with their traditional hatchback format to follow. Of course, they're using the Epsilon platform from GM for it.

    I just wish Mazda would offer the hatch and wagon alongside the sedan. There will likely be more competitors in these body styles by the time Dec 2003 rolls around.

    I always wanted a hatch or wagon, but never found one I liked or had enough side doors (sorry, no 3-door hatches for me). Well, at least before the P5 finally came over here, but I already had my Pro sedan by then (it's only 3.5 years old...can't justify replacing it yet, not if I want to keep things okey-dokey at home). My wife is looking around to replace her Saturn sedan soon and would like something with a little more cargo space than the P5 with its reliability and usability. I think the 6 hatch or wagon would fit the bill nicely, but who knows when her Saturn will finally keel over?
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