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XM & Sirius Satellite Radio

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  • rworrellrworrell Posts: 151
    1) I have XM and yes, the Clear Channel stations have commercials--XM fought them on this, but CC had the right to add them. As noted above, XM added 5 new channels with similar formats to their lineup, all without commercials. Additionally, all of the CC channels got flagged with a CM in their name so you'd know they run commercials. As soon as they started with the commercials, I removed them from my presets. I never hear any commercials listening to XM music.

    2) My wife has Sirius (pre-installed on her CPO BMW). They talk a lot on that service. Does anyone actually think it's still cool to hear the original MTV VJs hosting shows? Do we really need to hear DJs talking after pretty much every other song? Or see their names & phone numbers on the display? Sirius drives me crazy and my wife really regrets activating it on her car. However, it's still way better than FM radio--I just marvel at the lack of variety and the number of commercials when I have to listen to FM.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    So everyone agrees that commercials are inevitable in sat radio's future? :-(

    For me my $12.95 breaks out to the following benefits:

    $1.95/mo for the wide variety of programming, of which I actually partake relatively little - I like maybe 9 or 10 music channels that I switch between, and 3 news channels, and that's really it.

    $11/mo for the privilege of not having to sit through endless commercials.

    The day they bring commercials to the sat radio airwaves, is LITERALLY the day I will call and immediately cancel my subscription. I will just go back to listening to local broadcast radio (mostly NPR and CBS News, in that case), no big deal.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,150
    whereas maybe I was listening to the wrong stations on XM, you guys are listening to the wrong ones on Sirius. I have 16 music stations I listen to on a regular basis and the average interruption from the DJs is about once every 10 songs and for maybe 30 seconds at a time, tops. It isn't even enough to make me want to change the station when it happens because by the time I reach for the button, they are back to music. While running both XM and Sirius in my Honda at the same time (during the free XM 90-day trial), it was just no contest. I had way more stations and way less interruptions on sirius. It is beginning to sound like that maybe changes on a regular basis. As I mentioned before, the one channel that has lots of advertising that I do have to switch from when they go to commercial is the Blue Collar Comedy channel.

    I mentioned this merger this morning to my wife while driving into work and listening to sirius. She said, "oh god, are they going to XM's format? We are cancelling if they do!"

    Obviously, there are folks in each camp. If there weren't, there would be no competition.

    That satellite TV merger is an interesting comparison. I still don't understand how anyone can say it is OK for me to have only one choice of cable TV provider, one choice of water provider, one choice of sewer provider, etc, but the major competitors to the mainstay services, like satellite TV, have to eat each other alive.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • pernaperna Posts: 533
    2) My wife has Sirius (pre-installed on her CPO BMW). They talk a lot on that service. Does anyone actually think it's still cool to hear the original MTV VJs hosting shows? Do we really need to hear DJs talking after pretty much every other song?

    Actually, for 95% of the airtime of the Sirius decades channels, there is no (or very little) talking. Martha Quinn and Nina Blackwood both do "shows" where they play 80s music and talk about the 80s; this is probably what you heard. Martha's show airs for a good chunk of the day on Saturday, not sure when Nina's airs.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416
    The comedy channels on Sirius are loaded with commercials, and so are most of the talk channels....very little on the music channels though.

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  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    The comedy channels on Sirius are loaded with commercials, and so are most of the talk channels....very little on the music channels though.

    That sounds like XM too. It seems to me that the music channels that have the commercials are the ones that play today's hits.... my daughter switches channels frequently when she is in the car. :)
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,744
    I'm not sure what a "true commercial" is but let me assure you, some XM stations have plenty of short commercials selling products. The comedy, sports, news, and several music stations all have them.

    What I consider a true commercial is one hawking a product that has nothing to do with the broadcast or broadcaster. If there were ads for dish soap on satellite radio, I consider that a true commercial. A promo for another channel or an upcoming show is not a commercial IMHO.

    But I don't have satellite radio so I can't comment directly on what they air.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,744
    There is a lot of redundancy in expenses between the 2 companies that will be eliminated. Afterall, you end up with twice the subscribers and in terms of cost it doesn't matter whether a satellite is broadcasting to 12 million subscribers or 6 million.

    Won't half those satellites eventually become redundant? I presume if they merge, they will settle on one set of satellites to broadcast from since they work differently. Seems kind of dumb to dump a couple of hundred million dollars worth of technology.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,150
    interesting question. I would think they would use them all for the time being. More coverage and less hassle. Once you get to the point that they need some kind of service, repair, or replacement, then it is time to think about consolidating. Consolidating immediately may require many customers get new equipment (for instance, if using sirius satellites, then xm receivers might be useless).

    If they use all current equipment for transmitting but settle on one signal they will eventually move to in the future, then they can only sell those compatible receivers on the market and, by the time that transmitting equipment becomes obsolete, maybe many customers would already have the new compatible equipment. In other words, instead of forcing customers to change their equipment now, let them change on their own time and you have less customers to anger 5 years down the road when you really do need to force a switch.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • rworrellrworrell Posts: 151
    That's interesting, perna--about the only time I'm in her car is on weekends when we're running errands (it's bigger and has fold-down seats). So, all I hear is MTV VJ's and Long Paul or something, etc., etc. I have no firsthand knowledge of what it's like during the week--she says that they talk a lot and I assumed that what I was hearing on weekends was exemplary of what she was talking about. Thanks for the explanation.

    FWIW, I've noticed that XM has started having their DJs talk more, which I'm not a fan of. There's one guy on the country channel who I think is great--he's really an advocate for up and coming artists and (of course) for XM and you can hear his enthusiasm and it seems genuine--him, I don't mind. The rest of the talking just makes me cringe, though--all I ever really wanted from a DJ on terrestrial radio was to tell me the name of the artist and song once in awhile--totally not needed with all that info right on the display! :shades:
  • Any pro out thre who can advise me of a problem I'm having with XM radio..I've had it in my car for well over a year..no problem and I love it..then 4 days ago, I started getting an "antenna" display on my radio..and signal would go in and out..as of 3 days ago..the "antenna" display shows and i get no signal to my satelite radio..I can still see all the channels so radio doesn't need to be "refreshed" although I've done that too..I've now replaced the antenna and that hasn't alleviated the problem..the radio itself is an Audiovox..anyone know if these things just go out??
    Any advice or inf would be much appreciated..
  • blaneblane Posts: 2,017
    Have you checked for an intermittant short somewhere between the roof antenna and the antenna plug where it attaches to the radio? The wire could be internally frayed if it is pinched somewhere in its route between the two devices.
  • Hi Blane,
    My system was a self install..so the antenna for the satelite just plugs into the satelite radio's base..and then follows the wire to end up with a small magnet which attaches somewhere in the car..doesn't actually attach to the car's specific antenna (I have a convertible so no roof to worry about)..I thought that somehow the wire had become crimped or compromised somewhere..so went out and spent another $40.00 on a brand new antenna..and no change..I just don't know if these radio units have hardward problems..amybe I have to get a whole new radio..but just weird because I can see all the stations..and all info that I usually see..just no sound..and that darn "antenna" readout on the display..very frustrating!
  • blaneblane Posts: 2,017
    I was also concerned about "crimping".

    Since you drive a convertible, try relocating your magnetic antenna to the center of your trunk lid for a temporatry test. As I recall, the antenna needs at least a square foot of sheet metal to function properly.
  • Thanks Blane..will try..it's just that this worked perfectly for well over a year..and then just stopped..I have attached the end of the antenna to the door..the hood..the top of the windshield..and I think that the radio would at least go in and out if it was searching..but the display doesn't chenge..very annoying as I really miss my XM!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,150
    As I recall, the antenna needs at least a square foot of sheet metal to function properly.

    really? huh. I wonder if that is just an XM thing. In my volvo and now my Honda, I just set the Sirius antenna on the back carpeted deck under the window. Works great and saved me from having to run the wire outside the car.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • blaneblane Posts: 2,017
    qbrozen,

    The "deck", as you phrase it, is the large expanse of sheet metal under "the back carpeted deck under the window" of your Volvo.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,150
    yes, but I assume the need for metal all around the antenna means it needs to conduct through the metal, no? I mean, what would be the point otherwise? The carpeting keeps it insulated from the metal.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • blaneblane Posts: 2,017
    qbrozen,

    Pages 11 and 12 of the Delphi SKYFi2 Installation Guide states the following. I would be surprised if your Audiovox manual doesn't say something quite similar.:

    XM Antenna Setup
    For best reception, follow these recommendations:
    • Mount the XM Antenna on the metal surface of the vehicle roof in the center of an area with at least 12" x 12" of
    surface area and a minimum of 6" from a window or sunroof... Due to the small size of this antenna, there are many possible locations for installation depending
    on the vehicle. Improper positioning of the antenna could cause brief interruptions in the signal reception.

    Important: Do not install antenna inside the vehicle passenger compartment. An antenna mounted on the dashboard or on the rear window deck area of the vehicle will likely experience signal interruption issues and must be avoided. Mounting the antenna on a nonmetallic surface will also result in severe degradation in reception.

    A suitable compromise between installation location and reception quality must be assumed by the user.
    • If the vehicle has roof racks or skid ribs, you may mount the antenna off-center.
    • If the vehicle is a hard- or soft-top convertible, then the antenna can be mounted on the metal trunk lid at least 4" from the rear window.
    Ensure that the antenna does not interfere with the opening or closing of the convertible top and that the cable is free to move and not prone to wear. Where exposed to wind, it is best to route the cable parallel to the airflow.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,150
    There ya go. So it is suggested to get metal-to-metal contact. As I said, mine works great without the benefit of extra metal. Also avoids the unsightly wire and black box on my roof, and saved me alot of installation time.

    I experience no more interruption of signal than I did when I had it mounted on the roof of my Lincoln (unfortunately I didn't think to just throw it on the back deck, as that was the first car I put it in; i wish i had because it would have saved me lots of time).

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

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