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Honda Element

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  • ztorinztorin Posts: 48
    I'm about 30 minutes north of Boston, and I've been seeing them everywhere. In my town alone, I see at least 5 on my way to work, and that's only a 10 minute ride. All different colors. I think I'm the only Orange one so far. We go to Nashua,NH a lot too, and I see a bunch of them at the malls up there. Sales must be pretty good in New England??
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Posts: 4,202
    Orange was our color of choice when we were searching for an Element.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    varmint: if the 2005 CR-V gets those upgrades you mention, perhaps the price gap with stretch again. That would be a good strategy for Honda, actually.

    -juice
  • edhedh Posts: 246
    what the effect of Scion in a few weeks will be when it comes out - the scion b?????
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    I see them on the lot at the local toy store. They even copied the E's orange paint too.
  • derangedderanged Posts: 6
    Per varmint's earlier note regarding regional demand. The demand for the Scion xB should be as well. My wife and I were having a little bit of a battle regarding what the next family vehicle should be. I was pushing for looking seriously at the xb for two reasons, cost and mileage. (The new vehicle will be my daily driver, and I currently have a '90 Range Rover.) I like the room of the xB, the three seat belts in the rear, the mileage is great, but most of all the price. The main draw back is no AWD.

    We live in the SLC area, and AWD, or chains, is required for travelling up the canyons to the slopes in the winter, which is a weekly trip from November to late April. That combined with the history of Honda quality has lead me to decide that the Element wins, but this reasoning will not hold true for people in Louisiana.

    A side note regarding regional demand. I requested a quote by internet through Edmunds this week. They only have one local dealer listed, and the price quote on a 2004 Fiji Blue Element LX AWD Auto is $19,090. I have read posts in this discussion, and the one on pricing, quoting purchase prices on AWD Auto EX's for less. Those would have to be in areas where demand is not as great, or California where the battle with the Scion is a year old.
  • edhedh Posts: 246
    The Toy dealer here says it will take a month to get one "since they sell so quick" but "HE WILL ORDER ONE FOR ME".
    Gee why am I not surprised.

    The Xb is probably too light in the Expedition laden highways . Maybe $2.25 gas will kill off some of the SUVs.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They are light, under 2500 lbs, but they're not small. scootertrash owns an xB and an Expedition and he posted a picture of the two next to each other, the xB holds its own. You can also get side curtain air bags and stability control is standard, too.

    Keep something in mind - Element did poorly in side-impact tests without the side air bags. Honda had claimed the extra weight of the Element went to beefing up that B-pillar but the crash tests say otherwise:

    http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/side/s0308.htm

    Structurally, the score was only Average, and the overall score was Poor.

    So don't dismiss the xB because it seems smaller, it might actually be safer, depending upon how you measure.

    -juice
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Ztorin - You need to get yourself to the next Honda SUV Olympics. It's in Franconia Notch on July 31. E-mail me for details. I haven't finished the new web site just yet.

    For info on the last Olympics, check this link.

    http://home.comcast.net/~evarmint/

    Juice - I wouldn't use a single crash test to bolster that argument. The Element scored 5 and 4 stars in the NHTSA crash tests.

    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars/2807.html

    The Scion hasn't passed any government tests, yet.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It hasn't failed any either. :o)

    Actually every vehicle has to meet the gov't minimums, so these tests aren't really pass/fail.

    Someone was saying the xA was tested and its scores were close to the Element's. xB hasn't been tested but if anything it's the same platform with hard points farther away from the passengers, so it should do as well or better.

    All I'm saying is don't dismiss the xB due to its size, the safety content is actually impressive for its price class.

    Element and Scion xB are unique, boxy vehicles and from what I gather owners are pretty passionate about them, i.e. they have a strong preference. I'm trying to look at the safety issue objectively.

    -juice
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    I think that the xB and the Element will generally attract different audiences. The wash-n-wear interior of the Element is a big plus for me (better for wet, muddy dogs).

    The xB wouldn't work for me because it isn't AWD/4x4 and I want something that will get me through the chain control points without having to get out and put on chains (something I would prefer not to do at 4 am).

    Also, the Element has more ground clearance, something that I'd find useful, both getting in and out of our driveway in winter, and getting to a couple of the trailheads I go to often in the summer.

    I think the xB is a nice vehicle for not much money, but it wouldn't meet my (somewhat unusual) needs.
  • edhedh Posts: 246
    their fav car is unique. the scion people do, the element people do, and the PT cruiser people get all huffy and say, "well our car is in a class by itself".
    From my life long view of owning sedans, they are all a lot closer to each other than to regular SUVs(all the same to me), or sedans (all the same to me)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I agree that AWD is an important feature missing from the xB, but keep in mind the Element doesn't have as much ground clearance as a CR-V, so I'm not sure it has as much appeal for those snowy mountain drivers.

    xB is actually much more of a conventional wagon, it just looks very unique, and draws attention to itself.

    -juice
  • npgmbrnpgmbr Posts: 248
    I think it draws attention only because its ugly (but then thats my personal opinion). The Element on the other hand (again my personal opinion) is very cool inside and out. The XB is just a box on wheels and it literally looks like that.

    Edit: However, I did like the interior of the XB but not more than I liked the Element's interior. And I feel that I should not call it ugly because its not. It's just too boxy for me.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    xB is selling well, even at MSRP (no-haggle pricing).

    -juice
  • purduealum91purduealum91 Posts: 223
    $500 below invoice incl dest. Man, this decision is killing me. Outback for $18,450 or Element EX for $18700. We are new home owners so Im buying a vehicle for its utility. Your thoughts?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    OK, now is the time to throw out all the data, the figures, the numbers, the opinions people gave you.

    Think back to each test drive. Which one brought you the biggest smile?

    I'm an enthusiast first and foremost. You should be happy with your car, period. Everything else, everything, is secondary.

    You can afford them or you wouldn't even be considering them.

    So, which one will it be? :o)

    -juice
  • ztorinztorin Posts: 48
    Go with the Element !! I'm partial though. It's just so much fun, and people are just blown away when they see it. Even people that thought they hated it, will soon fall in love with it. That's what I've noticed. A lot of my g/f's uncle's didn't care for it until they finally saw mine on Easter. Now they won't stop talking about it !!! I got my first WAVE from another Element owner today, made me smile. This was a new one for me. Now I'm up to I think 5 a day on my way to/from work.
  • purduealum91purduealum91 Posts: 223
    The amount of space and versatility are 2nd to none. Now the color? Ugh! I can take Orange, Green, Black, or Shoreline. Hmmm
  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    I agree with juice - go with the one you (and only you) like the best. They are both nice vehicles and you'll only regret the purchase if you don't buy the one you prefer.
  • edhedh Posts: 246
    a wider range of lighter colors would be my want
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    Wards auto has an article regarding the somewhat smaller than needed a/c in the Xb at:

    http://wardsauto.com/ar/auto_scion_xb_not/index.htm

    Also they point out that the Xb was hammered in the recent JDP IQS, pulling down all of Toyota.

    The 'young crowd' isn't taking to this odd box per Wards.
  • ztorinztorin Posts: 48
    I'm partial to the Orange. I've seen them all, but IMO the orange looks the "coolest" against the metallic gray panels and I think it fits better with the overall "look" of the Element. Plus it changes hues in different lights. The gray, to me, looks like primer. The green and blue are cool too, but I didn't like the color-coded inside, looked cheesy to me. Black doesn't stand out as much.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The green looks cool. Sort of para-military. Orange if you want kids to point and scream, i.e. get the most attention.

    footie: I read that differently. The young crowd is taking to the Scion, they're just more picky, it says as much.

    Any new model has teething issues, remember the TSB for cracking windshields on the Element, for instance. It's not like a reputable manufacturer won't sort those issues out.

    -juice
  • derangedderanged Posts: 6
    Get the element, but don't put on the factory roof rack. Install a yakima or thule. Having just completed a remodel I can tell you from experience that the element will provide you with more versatility, and you wont be worrying about getting mud and such on the load bay carpet. The load bay volume will allow you to rent the tiller, floor sander, etc. and transport it home easily.

    Regarding longevity of the vehicle, I am unsure of what is in store for the element. My wife has a '94 Impreza wagon, and the car has mechanically been a rock.(touch wood)But Honda has a good rep.
  • derangedderanged Posts: 6
    You do know that they attach these things to the front of government trucks called plows, right?
  • so_caliso_cali Posts: 64
    i've been around and around with all the three roof rack options and i'm getting the OEM rack for $198 w/free shipping at hondaacuraworld.com. the thule and yakima are nice but cost more and aesthetically don't look as good. i realize the load capcity is half or less but i may never even use it. just want the look!
  • edhedh Posts: 246
    are almost all Elements for sale at two dealers AWD???????

    yet if you go to look at highlanders at two Toy dealers they are almost ALL 2 wd?
    what gives?
  • bshelbshel Posts: 232
    seems like different uses for the two vehicles down there in SC.

    Highlanders selling a lot of their 4wd faster than they can keep them in stock. The Element is selling their 2wd down there - drawing a diff crowd to it. Daily drivers?
  • edhedh Posts: 246
    at the honda dealer two of the 4wd elements (only two i checked) were built in April 04-not exactly old leftovers.
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