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Honda Element

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  • moonkatmoonkat Posts: 265
    Gang,
    It's all speculation, and wishful thinking on our part, but Honda can pull it all together....
    I think they are limited more by budget than technical ability.
    varmint: very good, can you produce that warped comm'l on a web page?-) Would be more productive than debating gm-lito on the pilot forum...:-}
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    If you look below the drivers seat in this pic, you can see the track under the driver's seat. Note that it doesn't have the same base as the one in the StepWGN.


    I also noticed that the rear passengers don't really have an armrest. There's one on the rear door, but the seat is a good 12-18" farther back in the vehicle.


    GM_Lito has tried to pit the Aztek against the CR-V, the Ody, and now the Pilot. How long before we see him in here?

  • ropedartropedart Posts: 163
    I knew Honda has done configurable seats in Japan. I don't understand why they didn't go thru with the Stepwagon chairs. Either they did not have time or they will offer it in 2004. The extra cost could have been covered by offering it as an option. Like the Stepwagon they could just have the front thigh support go up to form a seatback.

    As for the suicide doors, Yep, I would have liked sliding doors but it would have said VAN. 4 doors would have said me-too cute-ute. No, the Element is a fashion statement that says:
    1. My car is bigger than your car. (Vibe/Matrix,Protege5,Focus,Civic,Impreza,Sentra,PT Cruiser,Neon,etc)
    2. My face is prettier than your face.(Aztec)
    3. My THING is different than your thing.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,917
    Plus it'll be interesting to see how the suicide doors fare in some of the "destructive" testing in Varmint's link above.

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  • moonkatmoonkat Posts: 265
    While I'm speculating:
    I'd like the Element to have 48" wide rear opening to haul bldg materials flat on floor.

    Seems reasonable:-} My Ody is about 76" wide with 48" opening, and 14" frame/int on each side ((76-48)/2=14"), and a lot of this depth is taken up by padding/storage nooks. The Element is about 70" wide which leaves about 11" for frame/chassis on each side.

    This also supports the design of the small (about 14" to 18") tail-gate. This would allow 4'x8' sheets to fit within the dimensions of the lowered tail-gate. Wouldn't that be functional?!

    Actually, I think Honda has to accommodate the 4'x8' dimension if it wants to break into the light truck market. This might be a start.

    ropedart: You have again pointed out a major reason for vehicle selection in #3 above: "own thang", or what people want others to perceive as their thang.
    Also, I do not discount possiblity of Honda adapting/modifying the face to face seating to the Element. I'm curious how they will accommodate the +-6" height difference between the front and rear seats. When I looked at the front seat views; it appeared that the seats could be slid all the way off their tracks rotated 180 degrees and reinstalled. Then all you'd need would be a seat height adjustment, or maybe there is a hidden elevated track/attachment under the front seats on which you'd mount the rearward facing seats???!!! Entirely doable.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Funny but true, diploid. Problem is other cars would give you door dings.

    varmint: I noticed the seats being farther back, too. In fact that would make it harder to load an infant seat, because you'd have to reach in with it. Of course Honda is targeting younger folks.

    I kind of doubt a sheet of plywood could slide it, but if I'm wrong, Honda could built a pickup (SUT style) out of this platform. The only car-based competition would be the Baja, and Subaru definitely left a few doors open with some notable misses (no H6, short wheelbase, no midgate).

    -juice
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    It "looks" like the Element has a wider cargo area than the CR-V. The rear suspension seems to intrude less. Wonder if it's a different design. I dunno about 4x8 fitting back there, though. The Pilot can handle that dimension, so Honda might consider themselves covered. Also, I'd think we would have seen it mentioned in the press trash.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    Just read the preview from Edmunds. Didn't think it said anything new that we haven't dug up for ourselves. Glad to see at least other people like it, too.

    re: GM_lito - I admire the guy's tenacity. Just as long as he doesn't go into the typical "buy domestic" litany, I don't mind him.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Re GM_Lito... He is a pretty reasonable guy. He just keeps pointing the Aztek at every vehicle on the road and making direct comparisons. It gets old.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    The Pilot can handle 4x8s, but I doubt with the tailgate closed. I'd be very surprised if there is 8' of length there in the cargo area.

    Bob
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Bob - You are correct. I misread that in the MT review from their latest issue. Someone corrected me over in the Pilot thread. Checking again, I found that C&D has better info. They list the "largest sheet of plywood" as 75.4 x 49.0 inches.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    I thought C&D's review of the Pilot was more thorough than the MT one, anyway. It's funny how they remarked that the Pilot was heavy at 4000+ pounds, and yet Honda is bragging that it's the lightest in its class.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Diploid - If you only compare it to eight passenger minivan-based SUVs, then Honda is correct. Of course, I don't know of any other, so it's a one horse race.
  • ropedartropedart Posts: 163
    Looking at the Element photos it looks like it gets the CRV front chair rails. Not suprising. It maybe a wait and see sitation for Honda to invest in rear facing front seats. If there are rear facing seat mechs for CRV then the Element can take them. A rear facing seat would aid entry thru those suicide doors.

    BTW the Element is spec'd as 4 seater. The Element I am sure is as wide as CRV. So it can take 5 people in a crunch. You can see the space between the seat belts.(Really 5 seats usually means 4.75 people and the Element is about 4.5 seats. Just right for inserting a child seat). I knew the Element had to go to 4 seats because of the rear wheel intrusion. In order to lay down the rear seats they must clear the wheel wells. The CRV rear seats cannot lay down because of the wheel wells.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I bet Pilot feels nice compared to Explorer and Durango, plus the TrailBlazer EXT. That's the class it's competing in.

    But I'm sure an Element will feel more spunky, fun to drive. Pilot won't even offer a manual tranny, right?

    I wonder if that rear middle spot will even have a seat belt.

    -juice
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    I hope it does.

    As for the Trailblazer EXT - it looks odd. GM should've just added a small 3rd row into the Trailblazer from the start. It's not hurting the Acura MDX, the Explorer or the Durango from a sales point of view.
  • gm_litogationgm_litogation Posts: 168
    I said my little sister loves the Element, she's 9 and she says it looks just like the cars on Pokemon!

    Somebody said earlier GM took the utility out of the Minivan and put together the Aztek, what a joke.

    The Aztek will do far more than this Pokemon rig ever thought about! LOL!
  • gm_litogationgm_litogation Posts: 168
    What's your problem?

    I had a Chevy Beretta, it was my 1st car I loved it. That's one of the reasons I'm such a GM advocate.

    Why do you dislike me so much? This is only the 2nd time I've posted in this topic?
  • cb70cb70 Posts: 226
    on the Pilot board. Now I get to hear about it here too. You have stated the merits of the Az and Rend. numerous times. Now please let it rest and go back to the correct boards to post about them.
  • gm_litogationgm_litogation Posts: 168
    A certain amount of comparison is good for any of the boards. Even the Moderators like to see that. I'm sorry it makes you angry when I post comparisons to the Aztek. FYI I'm not the one who originally compared the Aztek to the Pilot, Motor Trend did. If you look through this topic, again I'm not the one who started the comparison of the Element to the Aztek.

    Why are you so against the Aztek anyway? What has it ever done to you? You do realize that it pretty much beats it's competitors in every category? You also drive a GM product? Don't you like it? You should have some brand loyalty, the Aztek may very well be one of the best vehicles ever produced by GM.
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