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Honda Element



  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Let's hope others learn from this tragedy. You can't drive an Element like you would a sports car.

    May your friend rest in peace.

  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Well, I've heard stories of BMWs wiping out at about 90 mph with the same results. Does that mean that sports cars shouldn't be driven like sports cars?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    On public roads, probably not. US roads aren't built like the Autobahn.

    Those speeds should be reserved for the track, when equipment such as roll bars and helmets are employed.

    Honda puts a disclaimer on the sun visors warning drivers of the different dynamics a truck has vs. a car. I was implying that we should pay more attention to these types of warnings, for everyone's safety.

  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    In an Element though. I don't think I'd do that. The U.S. interstated WERE designed for those speeds though. If the drum-braked barges of the 70's could handle 75 mph speed limits, the newer cars with the much nmore capable suspensions and brakes should/can handle 85 easily. If 85 were THAT dangerous there would be no drivers left in Ga. We'd all be dead.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,601
    But in the 70's we probably had half the number of cars on the road.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I mentioned the Bimmer as it shows that any car can become unstable at that kind of speed. While I am sympathetic to the loss in this story, I personally would not let it impact my purchasing decisions.

    I mean, does anyone know of a car that has never crashed? Unless there is more to this tale proving some sort of fault with the Element, it's just a sad story.
  • jmessjmess Posts: 677
    A higher speed limit increases traffic flow. We really have twice as many inattentive and bad drivers on the road than in the past.

    People will spend money to learn how to play golf and etc but they won't spend a dime to learn how to be a better driver. I can't think of any sport where advanced lessons won't improve your performance.

    Common sense isn't an option that is available on the Element or any other car.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Those lead sleds had very, very long wheelbases. The Element has a short wheelbase and it a lot more top-heavy.

    Put it this way, would you have been comfortable doing 85 in an old 70s Jeep Grand Wagoneer? We had one in our fleet where I used to work, it was scary at 70!

    Trucks have lower handling limits, but it's up to the driver not to push those limits.

  • mtngalmtngal Posts: 1,911
    " would you have been comfortable doing 85 in an old 70s Jeep Grand Wagoneer?" - I'm not comfortable doing 75 in my '98 Wrangler at any time, and yesterday I was driving it around 60 because it was so windy.

    When I test drove the Element, it seemed to have better aerodynamics, but it still felt like an SUV not a car. I don't quite know how to describe it, but when you drive a Wrangler, you are constantly aware that it will turn around on a dime. I call it "quick steering" and on the Wrangler it seems sort of squirrely to me.

    While the Element feels far more "normal" than that, it is also quite quick. I could see it easily getting a driver in trouble, especially if they weren't used to compensating for it. I'm not sure that is the best way of saying what I feel when I drove it - I've never really read anyone talk about this.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think that's a fair assessment.

    Drive safely, folks.

  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    As I said in my recent post, when I drove my E to Delaware and back last weekend, most of the travel was at 70 mph or so on dry pavement. It felt very stable at that speed, but I didn't feel encouraged to go much higher which is so easy in a car these days. Crosswinds were heard more than felt. The E is not a particularly quiet ride.

    I also watched the highway surface pretty carefully too. The E is 'bouncy' and roads with undulations or potholes are a pain in the ....

    We've had two days of rain here in the Boston area, some places over 7". The E has seemed fine hitting the lingering surface water.

    However, you do need to be light on the gas on the 5spd FWD when the street is damp, it will definitely break loose if you put your foot down in 1st gear.

    This car/SUV is much quicker than you would think.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Maybe someone here can do the math, but at 85mph aren't you running over 4000 rpm? Those kind of revs will make for a pretty loud cabin.

  • hppypaulhppypaul Posts: 43
    is what some of you may need. I have a 5spd, awd E and drive it like a beemer most of the time. It's solid on the highway at 70 and I can punch it up to pass easily and without fear of disaster. It's not that noisy either. Maybe I just got a good one, but I feel very safe in mine in all conditions.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Not to be a nitpicker but a BEEMER refers to a motorcycle while BIMMER refers to the car!

    Carry on!

    tidester, host
  • lalagimplalagimp Posts: 61
    Tomorrow I take my Elephant to the claims center.
    He is silver and my friend named him.
    I hope I can have my baby back in under a month.
    We read ended someone and broke my radiator as well as crushing in alot of the front molding though the lights are intact.
    Very surprised the airbags didn't go off cause it felt alot harder than what's allowed; then again I've never been in one of these to know.

    Yeah it held up well enough, and there is more damage to my car than her's from what it seems.
    She was in a 92 Escort. My car ate her bumper but left her trunk alone.

    Husband and I are happy as allowed with this crash experience.

    I know for a fact, Mercury Mountaineers don't handle things quite as well.


    The End.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    LOL, tidester, that's the way for a host to keep us in check! :o)

  • rojachirojachi Posts: 1
    Anybody bought a dashcover for their Element? I'd like to get a little feedback on what brands are good and bad. Thanks!
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    Our E is about 2 months old (it's a 5 speed) .

    Every now and then as I am accelerating, I feel a short change in engine speed, almost like the a/c compressor is going on or going off. Since it's still chilly here in New England, the a/c is obviously off, but the heater is on.

    I don't notice it as much with the heater off, but did notice it a few times yesterday.

    Is this normal in an E or other 4 cyl Honda vehicles?
  • lalagimplalagimp Posts: 61
    I don't know, i've had vehicles that do that before... I've had my element for 4 months and on cross country road trips as well as city driving. I think i know what you're talking about- cept it's on our stratus, not the E for this house

    If you still have your warranty , have someone do a diagnostic for you if it's worrying you so much. if there is something real going on you need the option early to fix it or trade.
  • ztorinztorin Posts: 48
    Road noise?? How would you ever notice with a stereo system like that??? Sure, if it's completely silent in the vehicle, you can hear some noise while on the highway, but who the hell drives in silence?? My stereo is on ALL the time !!! That thing rocks! I've had no problems with handling either in the city or on the big roads. I do NOT agree that it drives like a truck. It handles better than my '95 Corolla and that thing zips around town. I love my "E". Even people who hated it, absolutely love it now that the've seen it in person. I'd recommend to anyone who is even remotely curious. And for $600 Under invoice, I love it even more !!!
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