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Honda Element



  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think it's 93% now, the percentage of automatics out there. Even then most of the 7% of manuals are in sports cars.

    You can sometimes get a better price if you order and wait, because the dealer isn't paying interest on that car for it to be in inventory.

  • hal9001hal9001 Posts: 28
    It may have something to do with the fact that traffic has gotten so bad across the U.S. With the introduction of metered freeway on-ramps
    I gave up on manual trannys in the late 80's. It's just too much of a hassle slogging through city traffic nowadays.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Also, automatics are sooooo much better today. Many have as many ratios and now they're managed by the ECU instead of being vacuum operated. Add manual controls and easier resale, and that's why manuals are rare.

  • sebski21sebski21 Posts: 10
    Being a Honda fan too I'm setisfied with me E at 4,500 miles. The average mileage at 25.5mpg. I also went from Isuzu (98 Rodeo manual) to E automatic (my wife's request). I agree with you about the road noise and I'm going to replace my good year tires once they wears up (I realize that will not help a lot but still). The doors sounds like a tin can but the lack of insulation is what this E is all about! And I think $2-4,000 more for V6 and extra will make this car for no-Y generation no more.
    PS. I have noises coming from tailgate hinges (as explained by Honda service), anybody?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Acura is supposed to build an RDX on this platform, who knows, it might offer that V6. But it'll cost a bunch more.

    Tires can help a lot, FWIW. My Forester dropped a few decibels when I went from Dueler A/T tires to a quiet touring tire.

  • ztorinztorin Posts: 48
    I have similar tailgate noises. Kind of a "tinny" sounding rattle or popping. Sounds kind of like if you drop a bolt onto a piece of sheet metal. Happens over most bumps and during turns. Driving me Crazy!! I can't locate it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Keep in mind to have the hose-out-ability you gotta give up some carpeting and insulation, things that would get wet and start to stink.

    Can't have it all. A little more road noise is to be expected.

  • sebski21sebski21 Posts: 10
    Yes, this is it! I went to a dealer, they knew the problem, tightened the bolts at the tailgate hinges and this helped... for a day. Sure it's not even a problem but also drives me nuts. I hear it while parking, over bumps at low speed. Has anybody else had/RESOLVED this problem?
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Does it really have hose out ability? No drain holes, so spray a hose in there and I'd think you'd have puddles. Wipe out is more descriptive, no?
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    The whole hose-out thing is a myth. It "looks like" you could hose it out because there is no carpet, but if you really did it, the water would leak into places it isn't supposed to go, loosen adhesives on the plastic floor, puddle inside and cause other problems.
    Look in the owners manual on cleaning instructions.
  • hal9001hal9001 Posts: 28
    Hi everyone....I'm curious about your snow/ice winter experience with the OEM tires (Goodyear Wrangler HP on my EX). I live in Hopkins Minnesota and will soon be spending my first winter here with my new E and would like to know what to expect. BTW, it's an AWD auto and I just got 22 mpg in mostly city driving.
  • drive62drive62 Posts: 637
    Didn't think so. I wouldn't doubt salespeople use that as a selling point. And I bet someone has hosed theres out.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    You cannot blindly believe what car salespeople tell you. Try having a salesperson point to where in the owners manual using a hose is suggested.
    You cannot hose out the interior unless you do not care what damage it causes. So, technically, you CAN hose it out just like you *CAN* house out the interior of a Camry.
    However, the water will get into and pool in the spare tire tub, rear heating vents, electrical components and so forth. The vehicle was not designed to be hosed out. You can use wet mops, rags, sponges, squeegee etc.. It is much easier to clean up spills than carpet, but just don't hose it out or pour buckets of water in there.
    Hosing out the interior is an urban legend perpetuated by automotive journalists who made comments in their reviews without fact-checking first.
  • lalagimplalagimp Posts: 61

    yeah they strictly recommend that you swab it down, not hose it out.
    I leave my carpet mats down most of the time anyway
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, I said that but realize you're better off wiping it down with a wet rag.

    Still can't do that in most cars, though.

  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,354
    Only a fool would attempt to hose out an Element or any other car. For one thing, there aren't any drain holes. Ther are also electricals under the dash that could get wet.

    I serously doubt any salesman would tell someone that...ah...nevermind, I'm sure some probably have!
  • I think the whole "just hose it out" rumor probably originated from an exaggeration of Honda calling the interior washable.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Might have been from the Model X concept? Was that interior one you could hose out?

    People tend to remember the unique, gee whiz features on concepts that make it to production. Maybe that's why the myth lives on.

    Sorry to have brought it up!

  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    Is an Element a crazy car for a family? Those who have done it - do you wish you had purchased something else?

    Here is my situation - I drive an 4 door Accord EX with leather interior that is a stick. I love the way it drives and it was a real bargain in my book.

    Enter new family dynamic. My wife and I will have an infant child joining us this year. We plan a second within 24 months.

    I have a one lane driveway. My wife does not (willingly) drive a stick. Her car is a Subaru Outback wagon, LL Bean with an automatic.
    By leaving the Accord, I would solve 2 problems - wife-friendly-automatic and a car that sits higher to get infants in and out of car seats.

    I have never driven with an infant for any length of time in my Accord, so to be fair, I am not sure if an automatic might be better than a stick for a new father too from a distraction standpoint.

    The Element it is but one option. I like that it is a little lighter and seems to drive a bit more aggressively than larger options. It also does seem to retain a degree of FUN.

    I resist some others more mainstream options like the Odyssey or Toyota Sienna minivan, or Honda Pilot. I just don't see myself driving something that big -- but maybe with kids you need to make concessions. I don't want to get the Element and then be trading it in for a minivan that I should have gotten in the first place.

    The Element has a lot going for it. It has a lot of room for not a lot of money. It has an automatic tranny. Same motor and rough mileage as Accord. Burns regular gets decent mileage. It sits up high. It weights aprox. 3500 pounds instead of 4500 pounds for a minivan - ie better handling and mileage.

    The interior seating materials seem essentially kid proof! The inside flooring is plastic for easy clean outs.

    To some degree, it seems that the easy clean interior would be less stressful for me. I keep my cars VERY clean - something I am sure will change with kids.

    To some degree I could think of an Element more as a TOOL and stress less than with my "fancy" leather clad Accord EX or fancier sport ute like a Pilot or even a Forester.

    Here is what I am looking for - car with automatic tranny, high rear seat height so you can lift kid across into car seat instead of
    stooping into rear.

    This would replace my car. We would keep the Subaru. An Element costs about the same as my Accord did, a bit cheaper. SO I can pick one up for essentially the cost of 2 years of depreciation on my Accord.

    Other options considered:

    The usual 3rd row minivans from Honda and Toyota, a Honda Pilot

    V6 Accord with Automatic (solves tranny issue but not ride height).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Your Outback can be the practical family car, so I think that gives you a little liberty in terms of your choice for a 2nd car.

    Elements are affordable and don't depreciate much, so even if you change your mind, you won't be in trouble, really.

    I say go for it, you only live once.

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