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Honda Element



  • Has anyone seen the new Honda full-line TV ads showing the '06 E Kiwi with the painted panels?
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    What you say makes sense. If the CR-V is now rated at 156 h.p., it is probably due to the new SAE test. That means the Accord did gain 10 h.p., which is substantial. Very likely the CR-V didn't get retuned because it would have affected the torque curve...although I thought the Accord and CR-V weigh the same and have the same 5 speed transmission - so why not retune the CR-V motor too? They could both use a little extra performance.
  • I thought I'd share a listing of updates for the '06 Element-

    For the 2006 model year, Honda’s versatile and fun-to-drive Element adds the EX-P trim level to its already distinct and diverse lineup. The new EX-P trim is based on the existing EX trim level and adds body-colored painted side panels and door handles. Since its launch in 2003, the Element has become the new benchmark for function and design in the light-truck arena. For 2005, the Element received Consumer Guide’s “Recommended: Compact SUV” distinction.

    • 2.4-liter i-VTEC 4-cylinder engine (156-horsepower @ 5500 rpm and 160 lb-ft. torque @ 4000 rpm)
    • New EX-P trim level provides painted fender panels and door handles, available in 2WD or 4WD
    • New alloy wheel added to EX 2WD/4WD trim level
    • Steering audio controls added to EX 2WD/4WD trim level
    • EX trim level exterior metallic cladding added to LX 2WD/4WD trim level
    • ABS added to LX 2WD/4WD trim level
    • New exterior colors added: Alabaster Silver, Proton Blue Metallic, Kiwi Metallic, Tango Red Pearl (EX-P only) and Tangerine Metallic (EX-P only)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    P for Paint, cute.

    156hp, so it did not get the boost that the Accord got.

    Those audio controls come in handy.

    ABS on the LX, finally. This should be standard on the DX, too.

    I want to see the Tangerine in person, bet that's a wild one.

  • The DX model was dropped for the '05 model year (or at least very early in the model year). It's only LX and EX now. If you go to the Honda website, those are the only two choices.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Oops, guess I didn't get the memo. ;)

  • Yes, same here....I looked at and here is a full update {as of yesterday}.


    Honda's Versatile and Fun-to-Drive Element adds a New Trim Level for 2006
    2006ElementRelease.doc 24kTorrance, Calif. 09/20/2005 --
    For the 2006 model year, the Honda Element freshens its lineup with the addition of a new trim level, the EX-P, to the existing EX and LX trims. All 2006 Elements include new features and added value across the lineup - including new interior and exterior additions to the EX and LX trim levels, standard ABS on all models and the addition of new exterior colors to the Element's already expansive palate.

    The new EX-P trim level is built upon the existing EX trim with a few exterior enhancements. The EX-P trim additions include painted panels and door handles. The EX-P is available in both 2WD and 4WD, either with a standard 5-speed manual or available 4-speed automatic transmission. The EX-P is available in Alabaster Silver, Tango Red Pearl, Nighthawk Black Pearl, Atomic Blue Metallic, Kiwi Metallic and Tangerine Metallic.

    The EX and LX trim levels have also received upgrades for the 2006 model year. The EX (and EX-P) adds steering wheel mounted audio controls and a new alloy wheel design, while the LX trim receives Anti-Lock Braking (ABS) with Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD) and metallic exterior cladding. New exterior colors for both trim levels are Alabaster Silver, Atomic Blue Metallic, and Rallye Red. Kiwi Metallic is also available on the LX.

    Honda's 2.4-liter, i-VTEC, 4-cylinder engine with 156-horsepower and 160 lb.-ft. of torque provides excellent acceleration while maintaining fuel economy in the low- to mid-twenties. The i-VTEC system blends Honda's patented VTEC system with Variable Timing Control (VTC) to improve low rpm torque while expanding high rpm horsepower. Sixteen-inch wheels are standard on all models.

    The Honda Element offers the most flexible package for any vehicle in its price range with a multi-functional cargo area, innovative and versatile seating, resilient and dirt-resistant interior, brisk performance and exceptional value.

    *For the 2006 model year, all Honda horsepower and torque specifications have been updated to reflect revised Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) J1349 (Rev 8/04) net calculations that went into affect in January of 2005. These new calculations reflect a number of significant changes in the way horsepower and torque are measured and may cause SAE net horsepower and torque totals published in 2006 media materials to differ from the figures published in previous years. To avoid confusion, all 2006 Honda press materials will specify "SAE net (Rev 8/04") after all horsepower and torque figures to denote adherence to the new standards.
  • Great press release. Any photos of the new painted panel models? I have seen the little cartoonish drawing on the back of the 06 Accord Coupe brochure (orange EX-P) but I was hoping for something a little more real world.
  • Does anyone have any info as to safety improvements for 2006, (mainly rear passenger side airbags, etc.), 2005 and before, the side impact crash results are dismal. Daughter loves the vehicle, however unless Honda has addressed this issue we will have to shop elsewhere.
  • The '05 EX had side airbags standard. It also had ABS. For '06, the LX will also get the ABS, but I've seen no mention of side airbags for it. Hopefully with Honda's obvious move toward safety the LX will get them, too.
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    There has been discussion that maybe the reason Honda is not incorporating side curtain airbags is because it is hard to mount them due to the design of the "suicide" doors. However, on many cars, including the New Beetle and my Focus ZX3, the side airbags include extensions to protect the head as well as the torso. Any idea why Honda is using this type of taller air bag? Obviously there is room in the seat for it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Dunno, it could come out from above, maybe?

  • The '05 element does have side airbags, however only for the front passengers. It is the rear passenger dummies that have suffered unacceptable damage in past crash tests. I believe my daughters, along with their friends, deserve the same safety the driver and front passenger has. Thanks.
  • I have been using 89 octane in my 04 EX but on a recent fill-up used the lower grade 87 octane and as a result have a significant "tin" sound at certain lower RPM's...not quite a knock as in my older pathfinder but nonetheless noticeable. Has anyone else experienced this concern I suppose would be if I am stuck buying the mid-grade gas from here on out.....thoughts?..THX

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The knock sensor should capture that and send the data to the ECU, which in theory would dial back the timing a bit. I'd guess that within a tankfull or two, that tin sound should go away.

    If not, I might ask the dealer to have a look, possibly reset the ECU so that it maps a new timing pattern, i.e. it re-learns the timing advance to use for your engine.

    On my Miata, the timing is set manually, it was funny to adjust the dial to advance the timing and hear the engine ping, then stop pinging as I retarded the timing.

    Mine would ping at about 18 degrees BTDC (before top dead center). Stock setting is 10 degrees. I left it at 14 degrees because you do gain some low-end torque by advancing it like that.

    To set it to 18 degrees, I would actually have to use premium fuel. So I used 14.

    Your ECU is supposed to adjust that automatically, especially since the engine is designed to run on regular, not premium or even plus.

  • Who is buying Elements in the Northeast? 20 somethings, or all ages?
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,013
    Good question. This article says that the Element's youngest buyers (nationwide) are around 43.

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  • I've read in more than one article that the average age of the Element buyer is mid-40s. Around Atlanta, everyone I see driving them appears to be my age (30) or older.

    I know they were aiming for younger buyers, but they made a heck of a vehicle that appeals to us practical, well-past-college folks. What would appeal even more to me- a performance version! Slip the TSX engine under the hood!
  • dweiserdweiser Posts: 288
    And I love it! I also have a 2006 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 (A-W-D) Cabriolet on order. Keeping the Element? You bet I am!
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    That's a misprint, or misinterpretation. The "average" age of buyers for the Element is 43. That is not the "youngest age". From what I gather, the number 43 makes the Element second only to the less-expensive Civic (age 40) for youth appeal.

    And contrary to the Metro article, This one from Wards puts the average Xb buyer at 42. Metro only gives us the average age for Scion as a brand.

    All in all, the business of demographics seems a bit fuzzy. For example, the Metro article states that Toyota buyers average 47 years, supposedly, higher than Honda, VW, and Nissan. Yet, other sources put Honda's average age at 50. Furthermore, the figures are for car "buyers", not necessarily the people who are the primary drivers. Given that Elements are more expensive than Scions and Civics, it seems pretty obvious that younger buyers are going to be more likely to use mom and dad as a bank. So, I don't put much faith in these demographics.
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