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  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,942
    So what you're telling me is that guys my age (52) and kids in their 20's really like the Element. The 40 somethings don't buy them at all, LOL.

    The new Civic looks pretty fun to drive too, btw.

    Steve, Host
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    :confuse: You lost me, Steve...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Keep in mind that's home turf for the Big 2.5, they're likely to put a negative spin on anything import-related.

    To put it into perspective, just imagine what Metro Times Nippon might have to say about an Aztek.

    -juice
  • I highly recommend Big Island Honda in Kona, if you're thinking of trying other dealers. My experience there was spectacular! Also, they are a Costco dealer, so if you're a Costco member, you should get a great deal. Costs about $300 to ship the car inter-island, I think.

    Howard
  • Went to see an Element today at the dealer where we bought an Accord. I fit well in the seats, like the interior volume, etc. The only differences between the DX and EX the salesperson could specify were alloy wheels and sound system, which seemed steep for $1,200.

    But we have three kids and the salesperson said the front airbag cannot be switched off? Our Chevy van has a key switch on the dash, so I thought that was a common feature.

    Also looked at a Mazda5 briefly. Not directly competitive, but a neat vehicle.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Nah, I don't think it's a matter of bias. Metro is probably just using the figures given to them by the Toyota/Scion press staff. Just like the Ward's article was citing a Honda exec for one of their figures.

    I think it's a matter of how you count heads. Mom (age 50) might be signing the loan papers for Johnny (age 19), and thus the buyer is counted as a 50 year-old. Or, they might include co-signers. Or they might rely on a post sales survey to get their numbers. Depending on which set of numbers you use, you'd get a completely different picture.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I also looked at the Mazda5 (curiosity). It's very nice, but kinda disappointing in the fuel economy area. 22-27 is possible with vehicles like the CR-V or a Mazda6 wagon. As a van-style body, I would have expected better from the Mazda5. Otherwise, it's very nice.

    Anyway, you might try the CR-V. Same basic vehicle, but it has three seats across the 2nd row. It's not as funky, but you can always customize it.

    Another one to look at would be the Chevy HHR. Personally, I think the concept is silly, but it's been getting good reviews.
  • The EX adds the significantly upgraded stereo system, alloy wheels, keyless entry as well as ABS and side impact airbags. The EX also has what they call Occupant Position Detection System for the airbag on the passenger side.

    Just in case you haven't seen the previous posts, the LX adds ABS for '06. There will also be an EX-P model with painted body panels.

    You mention the Mazda5. I've seen a few at the Mazda dealer and they look pretty nice. I'm car shopping right now and the Mazda3 5-door is on my list as well as the Element.
  • If you need room for 5 and like the Element's design, you might try a Scion Xb or Subaru Forester. Both seat 5. The Forester has AWD like the Element. The Scion xB shares a roomy backseat with the E with one difference - it seats 3 across instead of 2.
  • dweiserdweiser Posts: 288
    Sorry but the Forester has full-time AWD and the Element is basically FWD until it detects slippage then it sends some % of power to the rear wheels. That may not sound like a big difference but I believe it to be.
  • I have a Subaru Outback. Subaru loyalists maintain their AWD system to be more capable than that of the CR-V and Element, but hey, this is the Internet.

    The xB is a touch too small for me overall. If it was 170" long we'd own four of them at work. Great packaging efficiency but not quite big enough for large humans. The CR-V, Forester and other cute utes make me gag, but to each their own. The Mazda dealer I went to today - Talerico in Manchester NH had plenty of Mazda3 wagons, but not 6 wagons, it didn't seem. I was underwhelmed and will stop by a MA Mazda dealer later this week.
  • We also have an Outback and the AWD system that is on to some degree all the time is nice. My LL Bean is 80% front and 20% rear as a baseline state. That does take its toll on gas mileage but the traction is there when you need it. It is way fun on snowy winter days (only utilized when wife and kid are absent).

    Funny thing about that xB - it seems that it has more passenger space than the Outback. Not checking spec sheet - just feel. Cargo space is quite small in xB.

    And back to the E because that is what this forum is about - it feels more substantial than the xB - about $5000 more substantial.
  • "And back to the E because that is what this forum is about - it feels more substantial than the xB - about $5000 more substantial."

    I've actually read a lot of comments on various forums about the price difference between the Element and Scion xB. Scion's no-haggle pricing on the xB is $14,999 and according to Edmunds, an Element LX can be had for $16,703. Difference of $1,704.
  • Thanks Howard, Island Honda said my car will be here in 2 weeks so I am going to wait and check it out, they participate with Costco also. What price did you get there? My deal was the 2005 EX, AWD, manual trans for $22,240 out the door ( that includes tax,etc). The Ranger I drive now I bought on Oahu and shipped here--$175--in 2000. The Maui Ford dealer played too many games.
  • Bought my Galapagos Green '04 EX automatic for $20 grand plus change in December '04. Have prices gone up since then?

    Howard
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    FWIW Mazda5 owners are getting a lot better than EPA numbers so far, but Mazda recalled every one for an exhaust fire they have yet to resolve. Owners are driving loaner cars in the meantime.

    -juice
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,600
    juice - resolution to the Mazda5 fire issue. Operator error. Shall I post over in the crew area?
  • So all you manual Element Drivers out there - is it worth added grin factor?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Please do, that's more on-topic.

    For that Element shopper the Mazda5 alternative can probably be test driven again soon.

    -juice
  • Any guesses as to how much more an Element with painted panels (EX-P) will be over an EX?
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