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Honda Element



  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    So have any of you Element Owner's been out driving in this latest snow storm?

    After seeing the Element at the Pittsburgh Auto Show this weekend, my wife has put it on the shopping list. She is concerned about snow performance and I would think it would be good with the Real Time 4WD, but some actual Owner stories would be pretty good to hear.
  • exbyexby Posts: 11
    Hey guys, first time post.... I think the Honda Element is cool and all and I'm kind of interested in one - but I noticed that the engine is only 160 hp. I realize that the vtec engines are good and that Honda is able to squeeze every inch of performance outta those things - but 160 hp??? Sounds kind of weak to me. Anybody else have opinions on this? Anybody who owns one would be good to hear from.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    as the accord and problems or serious complaints of pick-up. i deal with these every day, and the element is a very capable, NICE accelerating truck. it wont whip your head into the headrest, but its entirely competent for what the element does.
  • Drive it for yourself to see if the power is acceptable.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Meinrad - I don't have an Element, but I've got a CR-V with the same RT4WD system driving the wheels (just got about 24-27" of snow, too). It works fine in bad weather. My advice is to ignore it while driving. It'll be there when you need it, but it's best to drive with the same caution used with a FWD car.

    Exby - What are you comparing it with? 160 hp is pretty respectable for a 2.4L I4. And the torque curve is fairly impressive.
  • I know what torque is in general but would someone explain in layman's terms how the torque curve relates to or explains the Element's performance. From my one time experience driving one, I thought the automatic had adequate power for my needs. I'm waiting for side airbags.
  • toledo19toledo19 Posts: 119
    Congratulations to all of you that have purchased the element! I was very close to becoming an owner myself until I found a low miles 01 Highlander for 20K. This plus I refuse to pay MSRP for any vehicle! I love the Highlander, but may yet purchase an Element in the future.
  • chris777chris777 Posts: 126
    well its official I'm now the disbelieving owner of a 2000 civic with about 44k .

    first time I've bought a vehicle and had such a minimal emotional response

    it must be doing something right though, I found myself at 100mph (whoops)and decided it was time to activate the cruise since I get to drive around with no tag for a couple of weeks while I wait on Honda finance to mail the title
    very smooth ride shifts funny sometimes though of course it's 15 years newer than my old trusty hatch
    (and for you Georgians out there I had a shocker when a Georgia state patrol behind me in the fast lane going about 80 with no license plate and they DID NOT pull me over, what's up with that? not that I'm complaining just dumbfounded they didn't bother to harass me)

    I busted out my manual and lo what do I find my little 2000 civic can safely haul 175 lbs MORE than an element (850lb payload) talk about strange considering it has about 50 less horseys under the hood

    I also had an interesting conversation with a salesman at the dealership inspecting the car before I bought it.

    if you ever have a stook and you shift it from 5th to 2nd it will disintegrate the engine.
    as one of their unfortunate salesmen found out the hard way, in the dealership owners s2k.
    its now for sale with 5k on the odometer and a 100k warranty on its replacement engine
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    Ok, so car seats have to fit very easily. But where are the top tether attachment points?

    I forgot to look at the car show. Are they on the back's of the seats like in the minivans or are they on the back hatch like my dad's CRV.

    I hate having the strap go back to the hatch. It gets in the way and blocks some vision.

    I think my wife is stopping to drive one this week. Won't be buying anything for a few months, but I told her to drive it now, then if she doesn't like it, she doesn't have to yearn for it all summer. Now if she really likes it, well then I'm in trouble! LoL.
  • Meinrad, the top tethers are located (you guessed it) on the ceiling where the roof meets the hatch. They're on the plasctic band that surrounds the inside hatch opening, with covers that slide open/close.

    Maybe your wife will still yearn for it!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's all perspective, 160hp is pretty good. Not too long ago, 120hp was the "upgrade" engine in the Sidekick Sport, remember those?

    Remember when the 4Runner's V6 had 150hp? Never mind the 4 banger.

  • As a owner of a 02 cr-v I could tell that the 160hp in the V is very capable to move the vehicle well if not better than others on the road if you put it side by side with other that will have less mpg,same or more hp but slower 0-60 remember it is not designed to compare with a performance car or a wrx, the acceleration is there and you could feel the vtec kick in. I think the people expect a car to jump of the line rev hard and slam into second gear like a v8 with a 400 turbo trans, and a shift kit, well that is not going to happen the shifting is very smooth but look at the speedometer and you will see the mph moving up . one more thing the eng. is incredibly quiet and smooth.
    Greetings from sunny Miami.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Subaru will offer a Forester turbo for that kind of customer - 210hp, 235 lb-ft @ 3600 rpm. Factory estimates 0-100 (62mph) at a blazing fast 6.1 seconds.

    But not everyone needs that kind of performance, and the Element will still outrun about half the vehicles on the road, so it's at least average.

  • hurler4hurler4 Posts: 104
    I was walking around Beacon Hill in Boston last night and saw two black Elements parked along the streets. The first was an EX, and the second was a DX. I know styling is subjective, but I thought that the DX looked a lot nicer than the EX. The combination of black paint and flat (not shiny) gray cladding on the DX was terrific. But the combination of the black and shiny metallic gray on the EX just didn't seem as nice. Looked almost Subaru-like with the metallic cladding.
    All the Elements that were shown as prototypes before it came out appeared to be the DX. I wonder why they made this change to the EX? Not to sound shallow, but if I buy an Element, I'm tempted to get a DX and load it with options because of this! (Hmm, maybe I am a little shallow...)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It's not shallow, it's smart. Unpainted cladding is far more care-free. Easier to wash, harder to scratch, fewer dings and touch-ups.

  • hurler4hurler4 Posts: 104
    Good point on the unpainted cladding. I wonder how difficult it would be to load a DX with options like a/c, a decent stereo, keyless entry, fog lights, map lights, cargo hooks, etc to make it almost like an EX. Can most options for the Element be dealer-installed?
  • toledo19toledo19 Posts: 119
    Check out this site for parts and accessories
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Get just A/C, then shop the aftermarket, or even Ebay for used accessories.

    A CD player was a $400 option at our Subaru dealer. I found a hardly used 6CD changer plus cassette for $250, and nowadays they run closer to $150.

    This guy on Ebay is selling some 6CD changers that come off Mazda Tributes for $158 or so IIRC.

    If you're handy with tools and have time, plus some patience, you could build you own DX for a lot less than Honda charges you, and have fun doing it.

  • hurler4hurler4 Posts: 104
    juice, that's a great idea installing accessories on my own. I do most work on my car now, so that shouldn't be a problem.
    I have a dealer in the area giving me info on the DX 5-speed this afternoon. If I can get a loaded DX 2WD (with either myself or Honda installing options) for around $19,000-20,000, I might do it. I've looked at Protege5's, Matrix/Vibes, CRV's, etc. and they really don't do it for me. The Element seems a better fit for me.
    Thanks for all the info, everybody!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Good luck shopping.

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