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  • taurus2taurus2 Posts: 63
    I wouldn't pay over $30,000 for a VW.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    no matter how much it costs. it is finally another option that is sorely needed in that market.
  • teoteo Posts: 2,508
    Yep, it will sell when VW cleans up its service and customer support act together.

    It puzzles me Dr Piech's idea behind this car. What about Audi? Why compete with Audi?

    Dr. Piech's Phaeton is prime example of his usual Mr. Jekill personality.

    VW's are nice cars but way far from being truly luxurious high performance machines.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I've been waiting for someone to open this issue. This big-bucks VW is just VW's version of the next A8. The main difference being the A8's aluminum construction and it's styling. I think the new SUV is sorely needed for VW and the Passat W8 makes a nice halo car, but that should be it. This 50K+ VW is going to run into serious price resistance, though if it's successful it will hurt Audi. Audi just now hitting it's stride in this country again, now VW is going to make it all murky by offering the same car much less. The Passat is no harm to Audi, but this Phaeton will be. A W12 Phaeton for 70K will make a W12 A8 for 90K a very tough sell.

    M
  • What is exactly going on with VW? Don't they know they have TWO luxury brands already? I really thought that the Passat W8 was pointless, now I think that the Phaeton is equally pointless. I guess VW's are the hot thing right now, but I don't know why anyone would buy a 70K VW, let alone a 37K one.

    Here's a wacky idea, how about keep VW the economic brand and Audi the luxury brand. Is that such radical thinking? I don't honestly think that VW can sell the Phaeton next to a 17K Jetta or Golf. In addition, VW dealers really need an update to compete with some of the gorgeous new Audi, BMW, MB, Lexus, and Infinti dealers. I say if they were really serious about the lux segment, they would have to totally update 50-75% of their dealers.
  • I'll say this, this Phaeton looks better than any Audi out there, I say dump Audi and let the snobs (those you need a car to improve their self image and confidence) go elsewhere,

    Very happy VW owner
  • I think the problem with the phaeton is that its looks are so plain, maybe even LS430 plain. Audi's have flair, their styling is destintive and original, the Phaeton is not. Looks like a bigger Passat (although I like the Passat), but thats not the most exciting design out there.
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    For those who doubt the concept...Bear in mind that this car will come with a variety of PowerPlants, and like the S8 & the A8 will be
    marketed to a very specific clientele...For a real
    good look at what VWAG is all about today I would
    direct your attention to: www.glaesernemanufaktur.de/
  • I'll say this, this Phaeton looks better than any Audi out there, I say dump Audi and let the snobs (those you need a car to improve their self image and confidence) go elsewhere,

    Very happy VW owner
  • I think VW wants to introduce a luxury car mostly to boost sales of its cheaper cars. It is like if the S-class hadn't existed, the C-class sales would have never been so good. VW probably wants to have some of that.
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    the S8 costs about $78,000...well above the pro-
    jected $60,000+ figure for the Phaeton...
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Either way it goes this will be a very interesting car. If it flops in the market, it will be easy to buy used. This may be some people's only chance of ever getting into a 12-cylinder car.

    M
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    will become the *Benchmark* of Luxury Sedans, and
    it will continue to reinforce the Volkswagen concept of Value...
  • rezo00rezo00 Posts: 103
    untell the wheels fall off because they were built with the VW economy parts instead of the audi parts...check out VW's in consumer reports, talk about reliability problems....
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I doubt if either of those predictions will be true. Lets say the car will fall somewhere in between.

    M
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    WWW.GLAESERNEMANUFAKTUR.DE/
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Very impressive. Now if VW could update their U.S. dealers to the same standards as the "Transparent Factory" the Phaeton would surely be a hit, though still at the expense of Audi.

    M
  • rv65rv65 Posts: 1,074
    BMW CD maps do work on the Phaeton. All you need are the older cd version. I recommend getting the 2003 5 series DVD. You can get them at www.navteq.com/. They are 200 USD for the whole set or 129.99 for each CD depending on your region.
  • rezo00rezo00 Posts: 103
    they are not a true franchise....not like say a mcdonalds is....so they really dont have much enforcement of dealership build.
  • I personally think the Phaeton's ugly!

    Audis are so much more beautiful. The reason I think he's building this is because VW has an indestructible positive brand image in Europe.
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    As Steve would say, "That is what makes a market".
  • I don't think it's a great idea for America. I doubt a $70K VW ill sell in huge numbers. Most people spending that kind of money on a car want an upscale "name", and also an "upscale" dealership experience - like a Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, etc.... Maybe it will go over better in Europe where VW has a better image.

    I don't really see the point of VW bringing out a high end car that competes directly with Audi. Just as it wouldn't be a good idea for Toyota to bring out a $70K car to compete with Lexus, or Nissan to bring out a $70K car to compete with Infiniti, etc... What's the point?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Car Magazine has a great spot on this Phaeton W12 car. First off it's better looking than I thought originally. It's interior and engine are pure Audi, and if priced right it should do fairly well, even here in the U.S. The way I see it everyone, BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, and of course Audi will have duck initially, because this car is touting a 12 cylinder at the price of those brands 8 cylinder cars. The VW dealers will be the stalling of this car from really taking some market away from the usual players in this segment. Hey even if the car fails it will make a great used car a few years later.

    M
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    Can you imagine taking your $70,000 vehicle to a Volkswagon dealer for service?
  • big_guybig_guy Posts: 372
    I don't understand all this "take my car to a VW dealer for service" stuff. Here where I live, the VW dealer is also an Audi and Porsche dealer. So I guess you could say that you are taking your "lowly" VW to an Audi dealership for service or to a Porsche dealership for service.

    In contrast, we also have a local dealership that sells Mercedes, Volvo, Jaquar, Mitsubishi, and Hyundai out of the same 1-block mega lot. So I guess someone could say they are taking there Mercedes to a Hyundai dealership for service. It is all in perceptions.
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,704
    What exactly is the big deal with VW dealerships?
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    You guys have a good point, come to think of it, the service for my Porsche 911 is pretty bad too, so I guess it doesn't matter if they ruin the service experience for a $70,000 sedan or sports car.
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    the Phaeton is introduced here next year the
    Volkswagen Brand Standards Initiative will have
    been completed and in place for 6 Months...Only
    the Dealers that have satisfied these rigorous
    requirements, being implemented now, will get
    these new Products...Phaeton, SUV, MicroBus,
    and probably New Beetle Cabrio as well...
  • A Porsche and a 70K VW are very different breeds. One has the Porsche name behind it and the other, well, is a 70K VW.
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