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Inconsiderate Drivers (share your stories, etc.)

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,631
    I was the person who jokingly said that my car doesn't have a feature where flashing the high beams controls the accelerator and steering wheel of the car in front of them, i.e., just because you flash your high beams at someone, doesn't mean they'll move over.

    I also have advocated that slower traffic needs to stay in the right lane. I don't see that as being a "controlling" thought at all. It's just common courtesy.

    Sharing the road with courtesy is what it's all about. But there are many drivers out there for whom that is a foreign concept. And the discourtesy takes many forms... from tailgating to flashing high beams more than just once per car to LLCing to trying to ram another car vs. letting them merge etc. It's this discourtesy that makes it difficult to "just enjoy the drive" much of the time. Although overreaction to minor discourtesies can also make driving more stressful than it needs to be.
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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,734
    >my car doesn't have a feature

    I read it wrong. Sorry.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,602
    I assume that a lot of those real slow driving LLCs are just afraid to be on the road, and stay to the left so they don't have to interact with on/off ramps. Or ever change lanes, which can be terrifying for some people.

    of course, these people should not be driving in the first place, and at minimum staying or local streets!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,941
    edited January 2013
    Why does "sharing the road" always mean submitting to the slow and timid? Why can't the slow and timid "share the road" and keep right? Slower traffic keeps right, why is this such a problem? How can I drive in Europe for weeks and see virtually no real LLCs, then come home and see one in the first 10 minutes on the highway?

    Way too much credential free pseudo-psychology there, too. No need to analyze the mentality of it, use that energy to simply hit the signal, move over, and if one must, move back when the faster car has passed.

    Crying about a law while violating the law ones' self makes one no better than the speed demon they won't yield to - when the law says they MUST. Share the road and obey the law, yourself. Practice what you preach.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,941
    edited January 2013
    I'd wager simply being scared is behind a lot of it. Around here, I see people brake for lane changes on wide open smooth flat empty interstates - because that change of direction indeed concerns the driver. Maybe there needs to be a license endorsement for interstate driving.

    Probably the same people who slow to <5mph while turning.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,941
    Of course, a slowpoke who is easily offended and packing heat can easily come up against a speeder who is also packing heat. Would you roll those dice? Especially in a place like Texas. Although I will say it is pretty stupid to flash a car if it is not the offender.
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla MarylandPosts: 698
    edited January 2013
    Yep.

    I'd say that's a fair assessment.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,631
    Of course, a slowpoke who is easily offended and packing heat can easily come up against a speeder who is also packing heat.

    Yep. Just one more reason to drive courteously... it might save your life (in more ways than one).
  • "Justification" of an inconsiderate act does not make it any less inconsiderate.
    One (aka the LLC) does NOT have to beget another (aka the lights).
    It's up to you. Drive like a jerk or not.
  • Flashing lights to pass isn't aggressive driving anywhere. It's merely alerting the driver ahead that a faster car is approaching.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,734
    >Flashing lights to pass isn't aggressive driving anywhere.

    I don't think so.

    It's aggressive driving.

    If someone has time to flash their lights 200 times as mentioned, they have time to change lanes and pass. It's like someone honking their horn in a parking lot to let the other driver know they're on a collision course: just hit your own brakes and avoid the accident instead of honking for the other driver to take the preventative action.

    >Flashing lights to pass isn't aggressive driving anywhere.

    I recall years back when I-75 through Kentucky was primarily 2 lanes. At vacation time around holidays, people would expect to fly up the interstate in a high density of cars and expect the left lane to clear in front of them. Ain't gonna happen. The worst offenders were BMW drivers and folks from Canada using their bright lights to try to "make" everyone else get out of their lane. This is with traffic in the left lane typically going 65-70 in a 65 zone.

    Just a little courtesy goes a long ways. If traffic moving in the left lane near the speed limit or above doesn't suit you, maybe you need to take the other roads to your destination or fly for distance travel.

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  • I was talking about a quick flash to alert the driver ahead, not 200 flashes, or trying to clear the entire left lane in heavy traffic. Unfortunately, many will take the flash as a challenge, or a personal affront and try to impede you even more.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,941
    edited January 2013
    Then why do cars have horns or lights with the ability to be flashed, at all? Sometimes the horn or lights are the only ways to wake up the inconsiderate. Flashing lights 200 times is indeed insane, but a flash to wake someone up, or a honk to do likewise or let someone know that they made a mistake, are not evil ideals.

    Here's some psychobabble too. I notice most LLCs are henpecked middle aged and older men. I don't see many younger men doing it, and I don't see many women doing it. Maybe they don't have control of much in their lives, so they try to get some on the road, by violating the law and obstructing faster traffic? Makes sense to me.

    Courtesy is a two way street. If the already underposted limits are too much for some to handle, they need to get their butts off the faster highways and stick to secondary roads. Slow traffic keep right. The limit is irrelevant - if you are going 63 in the left lane of a 65, with nobody beside you, and someone comes up at 70, move over and let them go past. Easy. Considerate. Courteous.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    If you're in the left lane and a faster car is approaching, and there is nobody alongside you or immediately ahead of you, move over and let them by. Then get back in the lane.

    Strongly agree. And, one should be well aware (mirrors) that someone faster is approaching in left lane and "plan" ahead of time to move over to right lane and don't hold them up. Just common courtesy on the road.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,276
    Hahaha. Nice! :P
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,734
    >e's some psychobabble too.

    Sounds like you labeled it.

    >Courtesy is a two way street. If the already underposted limits

    Have to agree about the driving courtesy. I've watched the LLDs battle for superiority on the battlefield they deem the highways to be. How about some of your psychobabble about what's going on in their heads when someone going 65 in a 65 zone on a two-lane interstate with traffic in both lanes is someone with whom they want to do battle? No football game on to watch and sublimate their need gratification?

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,941
    My psycho is no more babble than yours ;)

    I don't get very upset if someone comes up behind me and wants to pass, even if I am speeding and in the left lane, even if they get too close. I just move over when I can, and let them by - any conflict stops when he moves by, and I continue on my way. Changing lanes doesn't scare me, nor hurt me. If only others could do the same.

    If someone is going 65 in a 65 and can't move over, then they aren't at fault. But if they can move over, they need to do so asap.

    Why do some want to control others by holding up speeders? Failed dreams of being a LEO? All control in real life surrendered to others? Funny how this babbly analysis goes both ways, just as courtesy should go both ways.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,284
    I've heard of guns being fired for much less provocation. There's a lot of crazy people out there... for example (note, in CA):

    First, I can only recall one incident where my lights got flashed more than 3 or 4 times.

    Most people are not crazy, I'm not going to let a few bad apples in the population scare me out of doing the right thing for the many, just to compensate for the few.

    Also, if you draw on me, prepare to be run over immediately, while you really have no good shot at a driver that's ducking....

    Experience has taught me to never be caught at a dead stop next to a road rager anyway, the driver should have never stopped right behind the lunatic. I want to get away as far and as fast as possible from those road ragers, and flashing my lights is an attempt to do just that.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,631
    Also, if you draw on me, prepare to be run over immediately, while you really have no good shot at a driver that's ducking....

    So let me get this straight... your plan is to drive towards the person with the gun... while you are ducking out of sight (meaning cannot see where you're going). Also you seem to think that bullets can't penetrate the firewall and dashboard of the car, to hit someone ducking behind them.

    Seems like a great plan to me! Flash away! :)

    p.s. Most people in my town are decent, law-abiding citizens who wouldn't think of entering my home and stealing my belongings, and maybe doing worse. But I lock the doors of my house anyway. Silly me.
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