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Inconsiderate Drivers (share your stories, etc.)

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  • ronsteveronsteve Posts: 435
    So it's not a problem if someone is going a little under the limit in the right lane, even if other traffic wants to go faster. Just go around them. And the slower traffic stays right.

    Not a problem as long as they run at least the minimum speed. Which I think is not posted visibly enough in many states, and should probably also be raised. Most places I have seen a minimum, it is 40 or 45 (while the SL is 65-70). I think it should probably be at least 50 mph, tho I'd love to see 55.

    But remember that as soon as any inclement conditions develop, that minimum should not be enforced. Sadly, there are a lot of people who seem to think the speed limit is the minimum speed of travel under all but the most hazardous conditions.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    edited December 2012
    Sadly, there are a lot of people who seem to think the speed limit is the minimum speed of travel under all but the most hazardous conditions.

    You can change "a lot" in that sentence, to the majority in many of the cases in CA. Perhaps, 85%, since that is what the speed limits are supposed to be set at. Unfortunately, in places like CA (and CA is not alone in this) speed limits are underposted thereby making the majority of drivers "speeders."

    In general, I don't like to see anyone driving more than 5 under the SL set in CA unless there's terrible weather.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    But think about it - people tend to panic and slow whenever they see a cop - no matter if the cop is busy or across a roadway. Why is this?


    Just common sense and courtesy to police and emergency workers. And, also the law here in Illinois. In my area of many rural two lane roads, most people will slow down substantially when approaching the scene of flashing lights. No matter which side of the road the police officer is stopped. A driver approaching flashing lights that he/she first saw maybe a mile back does not know the situation. Is it a simple traffic stop? An accident? A pedestrian or bicyclist hit by a vehicle? A drug stop? The end of a chase? Stick-up perps? etc.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    The inadequacy of our driver's license tests can be summed up by its average length of time; 10 minutes.

    I think some of our problems would be fixed if we just gave bad drivers an hour to accumulate negative points to fall below 70 from 100 points and fail.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Wow, CA is really lax on driver's tests! In MN, you need to do both a written test and a behind-the-wheel test. Takes a lot longer than 10 minutes.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,596
    So a cop is stopped on the other side of a divided 8 lane interstate, and traffic in my lane will slow. Why? There's some paranoia about this. Same reason why some won't pass a cop even when he is going under the limit. I can see it for flashing lights on a narrower road, but I see this stuff on wide open clear roads.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,596
    edited December 2012
    10 minutes? You're joking, right? I got my license in podunk, and I think even there, the test was about 30 minutes (still amusingly easy, I remember at the end of mine, I said "that was it?" Only thing I botched was being too far from the curb in parallel parking). If that is what it has devolved to, that's dangerous. Funny story, when I was in school, a Taiwanese friend of mine dearly wanted to drive, and he passed - on his 4th try. On the first one, the instructor wrote "dangerous driver" on the sheet. His dad was some crooked local politician, so he got a blank check to buy a car. He chose a new V6 Accord (way too ritzy for a 21 year old), which he was scared of and wouldn't drive for awhile. He had me drive him in it a few times, which was fun. Now, the satellite children buy highline premium cars and exotics. What a world.

    Here, private firms are now allowed to do testing, which IMO opens up some potential issues. I can see it for motorcycles, as the private firms are always staffed by active riders with an old school attitude - they don't want the iffy out there, where the state motorcycle tests were almost always administered by those with no riding experience. But for the driving tests, a profit motive will come up.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    I wasn't including the written test.

    I remember my CA driver's test taking all of 10 to 15 minutes.

    The written test was 25 multiple choice questions so I'm guessing 20 to 30 minutes for that.

    Driver's education needs to be about safe driving, rather than about avoiding tickets and passing a lame duck test.
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla MarylandPosts: 700
    That'd be in-between Baltimore and Washington.

    MD-32 (4-lane state highway) has FAR too many drivers that brake down to 45 mph whenever the road tilts downhill (doesn't matter if it's empty of traffic or not).

    And that's 10 out of the 15 mile commute I take each morning/evening.

    So I see it multiple times, in both the morning and evening.

    ---

    Funny thing is, this is a new phenomenon for 2012. In 2010, nobody braked to slow down on a downhill. (I spend 2011 in South Korea and when I come back, even dumber idiots rule the road.)
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla MarylandPosts: 700
    If they are inconsiderate enough to be driving slowly in anything other than the far right lane, yeah, that's a real pain for other drivers. They need to move right. But NOT move off the freeway they pay to support--unless they're driving slower than the minimum speed.

    And the minimum speed, regardless of signage... is always the 'flow of traffic'.

    Failure to meet that on semi-congested or congested highways is the problem that needs addressing. I prefer guided, high-explosive munitions (the high-explosive part ensures the proper fragmentation of the vehicle so those behind you can safely drive over the smear that was once an idiot).

    :P

    (Sigh. Only in my dreams...)
  • Not to defend Andres3 on everything he's said, but I think you are missing the boat. Sure, in the Northeast there are some short ramps, but the vast majority are designed to allow enough room to merge at freeway speed. I drive a 2002 focus wagon. I can't count the times I've entered an onramp with nobody in sight (because of the layout of the ramp) to catch up with the car ahead and have to BRAKE to avoid rear-ending them. Keep in mind, I'm not using full throttle, and I'm hundreds of yards behind them, and I still catch up to them as if they're standing still, on an on ramp that's not even twice the length of the distance between us.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    Driver's education needs to be about safe driving, rather than about avoiding tickets and passing a lame duck test.

    I agree. For example, driver's education should teach, and driver's tests should reinforce, the need for drivers to respect ALL traffic laws, even the ones they don't agree with.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    edited December 2012
    And the minimum speed, regardless of signage... is always the 'flow of traffic'.

    I disagree. For example:

    * It's 10 pm and the few cars on the freeway are going 15-20 over the limit, hence that's "the flow of traffic". That doesn't mean the minimum speed is 15-20 over the limit.

    * It's snowing, really bad, early in the morning and only a couple of vehicles are out, and all but one driver has a "I have an SUV, I am invincible!" mentality and are driving the posted limit, say 65 mph, even though conditions clearly don't support it. The minimum speed in that case is NOT 65 mph.

    * A semi, or maybe a vehicle towing a heavy trailer, can't make the limit on a 70 mph posted freeway going upgrade. So they stay in the far right lane and go as fast as they can up the steeper grades, which is 65. The flow of traffic is 70, maybe more in the left lane. The minimum speed is NOT the flow of traffic.

    "Always" is almost always a poor choice of words.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,596
    Christmas - actually not bad traffic, light volumes, only saw 2 LLCs - a Prius with no lights on a rainy morning at dawn, and a 4 Runner in the evening with every light lit up, and it sped up when being passed, only to drop off again after. Not too bad.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,596
    edited December 2012
    There's a difference between adhere to and "respect". Respect must be earned. Respect can't be taught. Many laws as they stand now are impossible to "respect" due to endless factors ranging from irresponsible creation to irrelevance to random enforcement.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    If you like "adhere to" better, fine. The important thing is that drivers be taught not to do whatever they want, whenever they want to do it on the road.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,596
    Yes, less authoritarian language being used in defining one of the worst managed parts of the public sector (and that's saying something) works better.

    I don't think rule adherence is a problem in driver's training. The issue is skill and situational awareness, both of which aren't really being taught at all, from what I can see.

    Oh, I did what I wanted when I wanted this morning - pulled up to a red light, sat for a bit, zero cross traffic, painfully obvious that it was never going to change, so I just went. Not a lot of risk.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    There's only so much that can be done in a few hours of formal driver's training. But the parents/guardians/other adults teaching newbies to drive have a responsibility to teach skills including situational awareness also. I've done that with my two sons and am doing it now with my daughter. One rule I have is that you don't get a license until you've practiced through at least one winter. It takes time and lots of practice to develop the skills and experience needed to be a good driver.

    You do seem to have a lot of red lights in your town that "never" change. That happens to me about once a year, where the light is obviously stuck. You really have the worst of all worlds when it comes to driving, don't you? Bad drivers and bad infrastructure.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,596
    edited December 2012
    Many of the newbies I get to jostle with are past the point of parental involvement. They either buy their way through a driving school that might teach them to parallel park or even give them a few other skills, or just hit the road and learn on their own. I am sure it works for some, but it creates some issues. Luckily, winter weather is a rare event here, and the place shuts down when it hits. Most of the inept don't venture out, and I try not to drive on snow/ice covered roads as well, due to my vehicle and other drivers.

    My dad spent hours teaching me about parking, tight maneuvers, freeway driving, what turning line to take on various roads at various speeds, etc etc. The tight stuff was often in a very large car, to intentionally make me think and work. I like to think it helped a little. I don't consider myself to be a great driver, but relatively (a low bar), I am probably above average.

    Oh, the light eventually would have changed, but I have better things to do that sit for several minutes and wait. Idling is money. After 30 seconds or so, if there is no sign of a changing light (blinking pedestrian indicator), I go for it - no cameras, no cops, no problem. The light shouldn't be active at that time at all, or should be on a faster cycle or sensor for empty roads. Bad drivers, negligently maintained infrastructure.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Here in DC.

    The Fed should have opened 2 hours late. I saw 2 cars on the guard rails, neither AWD/4WD. They should not have been on the roads.

    Nowadays they either close or have liberal leave, but they used to open 2 hours late, which prevented the cars-in-the-ditch issue.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    For example, driver's education should teach, and driver's tests should reinforce, the need for drivers to respect ALL traffic laws, even the ones they don't agree with.

    I disagree. Where the law makes no sense and has no factual basis to exist, nor any safety reason to exist, I don't think we should waste a single second of our new driver's education time on it.

    Following the law doesn't always equate to safe driving unfortunately. My concentration is on safe driving.

    Of course, the last minute of the seminar would include a disclaimer that tickets are expensive, court battles lengthy, and insurance rates will skyrocket if you get caught breaking the law.
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla MarylandPosts: 700
    * It's 10 pm and the few cars on the freeway are going 15-20 over the limit, hence that's "the flow of traffic". That doesn't mean the minimum speed is 15-20 over the limit.

    I take it you missed this part of my post:

    Failure to meet that on semi-congested or congested highways is the problem that needs addressing.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    Yes, straw-man arguments is a problem on Edmund's forums.

    Most all of the complaints lodged against LLC's and timid drivers results from semi-congested, or congested highways.

    If the highways weren't congested, no one would complain about having to pass on the right, as it wouldn't make any difference unless the guy in the left lane was going more than 30 MPH under prevailing speeds.

    I only get REALLY peeved at a left lane camper when they impeded traffic and it is difficult to get around their impediment due to congestion. It still irks me that they are a left lane camper, but it doesn't get under my skin without other traffic getting in the way at the same time.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,596
    Only one no-lighter tonight, hour after sunset, in the rain - black 90s Grand Cherokee. A black car is best for dark rainy nights with no lights.

    Not much dumb this evening, but did see a funny merge by a woman in a Prius C - gets up to about 45 on the on-ramp, randomly veers left long before the end of the ramp, then goes about 46 in a 60. I stay in the far right lane as I am exiting immediately, and I don't approach the limit, yet pass her.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Tell her the gas pedal is the one on the right.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,324
    when cruising at or a little above the SL. It is considerate to those merging into the Right lane. "Keep Right Except to Pass" and "Keep Right when Towing" are not enforced in WA as much as the Speed Limit is. So, what does it profit you to vacate the Left (smoother) lane just to make it easier for those who chose to break the SL law? One or the other law is going to be broken so let the Speeder go around you. He will pay while you stay. ;)
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,596
    edited December 2012
    The merger must yield to traffic already on the road, that's WA state law. Being "considerate" in that case is irrelevant. Move left, if you wish, if nobody is coming up behind you, otherwise, know your place. Keep right except to pass. It works in places with far greater human and motorist development than here.

    It's funny how some scream about others picking and choosing laws, while they pick and choose themselves. But some older generations aren't exactly known for practicing what they preach.

    Keep left, go slow, get called in as a suspected drunk. WSP has claimed they are indeed enforcing LLCs (a phenomenon seen far less in actual first world countries). Roll those dice.

    It's time those 70+ are forced into mandatory driving tests - both theory and practice, to renew their license. First violation is a fine, second a severe fine, third is loss of car, fourth is...

    Oops I fed the troll :shades:
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    So, what does it profit you to vacate the Left (smoother) lane just to make it easier for those who chose to break the SL law?

    It profits you by making you a considerate lawful driver.

    The point isn't to make it easier for people to go over the SL, the point is to facilitate the easier and smother movement of people, traffic, cargo, cars, trucks, and whatever else is on the road.

    Whether that speed be 50 under the SL, or 50 over the SL, the principal is the same, slower traffic keep right, left lane is for passing. The speeds are highly irrelevant.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    edited December 2012
    How is it possible that for 2013 Geico can undercut Liberty Mutual by about $400/year on me and my wife's 2 cars on auto insurance in CA?

    Does Liberty Mutual hate CA? Geico love CA?

    Somebody has overpaid MBA's on their payroll; someone is miscalculating.

    Last year, Liberty Mutual was $250 less, and the only reason they could give for the increase was CA rates went up. Well at Geico, they went down.

    Insurance is a scam and a joke! Thank god for competition and Geico; I've made the no brainer switch.

    If not for thieves and uninsured, I'd post a $50K bond and tell the Insurance companies to suck it!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,695
    edited December 2012
    You saved a huge $400 a year? Big deal! Earlier this year I saved about $200 a MONTH switching from Farmers to Progressive. Insurance a scam? Then so is almost every other business that offers products for sale to the public. Prices vary considerably on the same kind of product, depending on who sells it, when you buy it, etc. Are HD-TVs a "scam" because I can buy one the day after Christmas at less than half what it cost a few days before? Uh... no.

    In our free enterprise system, insurance companies set their own prices and are allowed to set different prices from their competitors. So it pays to do what you and I did, and compare prices of different companies.

    It's hilarious that you say "insurance is a scam and a joke" and in the same paragraph say "thank god (sic) for competition and Geico". Last time I checked, Geico was an insurance company.

    btw, I checked Geico also when I went shopping for insurance earlier this year. It was significantly more expensive than Progressive. I guess that makes Geico a "scam and a joke" too... although that gecko is pretty cute.

    Also, I have no idea what your tirade about the cost of auto insurance has to do with inconsiderate driving. :confuse:
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