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Inconsiderate Drivers (share your stories, etc.)

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  • How did you become responsible for rewarding positive action and providing negative feedback for incorrect action?

    I would be interested in seeing your credentials.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,813
    Probably no less credentials than those who sit in the left lane when they should move over, as they do not want to tolerate "speeders".
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,813
    Wouldn't courtesy also dictate the slower driver move over for the faster driver asap, even if the faster driver is speeding? Kind of like risk mitigation?

    Why is sharing the road and being courteous a one way street?
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,813
    Beautiful clear day here, traffic moved right along this evening. But as the skies were just a little lighter than in recent days (but streetlights had been on for some time), insane amount of cars with no lights, I stopped counting at around 10. All kinds of stuff from worn old cars to new Cayennes.

    Didn't see anything too offensive, but did deal with a crosswalk crowder in a dopey Infiniti EX with bikes strapped to the back, and saw 3 (!) cars make turns from the wrong lane - Camry slammed on its brakes on a crowded fast 4 lane + turn lane arterial to make a left turn from a straight lane, Corolla did similar about a mile later, then on foot saw another Camry make a right turn from a straight lane.
  • Wouldn't courtesy also dictate the slower driver move over for the faster driver asap, even if the faster driver is speeding?

    Absolutely!

    When we have LLC and LLD together, we have trouble. Two wrongs don't make a right!

    I found the justification for driving aggressively to be rather disturbing. I hope he doesn't do something foolish while attempting to teach a lesson to some inconsiderate driver.
  • Justification? Not so much.
    More like making excuses.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,813
    For truly aggressive stuff, I always tell myself that time catches up. When I see it on the road, I just think that eventually, the driver will cause a problem for themselves, maybe in more than one way. Nothing I can do about it.

    However, I don't see a flash or two as particularly evil, nor even a toot of the horn. Swerving, really tailgating, etc, that's where the problems start.
  • However, I don't see a flash or two as particularly evil, nor even a toot of the horn. Swerving, really tailgating, etc, that's where the problems start.

    I agree.

    But when someone does things to teach a lesson, trouble will ensue.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,341
    I highly doubt the driver of that car expected the flashes to continue for as long as they did.

    Next time they decide to impede traffic, I'd bet the farm they'll think twice.

    I certainly didn't expect the lesson to last as long as it did. Moral of the story is that the lesson terminated as soon as they moved over to the right (which never occurred).
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,341
    edited January 2013
    But when someone does things to teach a lesson, trouble will ensue.

    Your probably right though, as it doesn't seem they learned the lesson correctly.

    When I passed, they proceeded to flash me a half dozen times, so it appears they didn't learn the context under which flashing is appropriate, as I was going faster than they were when they flashed me. I was also in the right lane since there was no one else to pass for miles besides them.

    Looks like they need a remedial course.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,813
    Having someone speed up while being passed is a common passive-aggressive WA state thing - can't count the times I have seen it. Best was ages ago, in my old car, a minivan was going slow, so I passed on the left of course, he sped up, but gave up after about 80 (70 zone). When I was past, I got back in the right lane, and drove on the shoulder just enough to kick up some spray. Oops, didn't mean to do that, I swear :shades:

    In the modern car, it isn't so dramatic - only 5 speeds, but a lot of torque, so if I have to make it downshift, game over - I'm long gone.

    I can't count the amount of times I have passed on the right on I5 in western WA. It is just normal driving here. Don't even bother to flash, just go around, quicker, less annoyance.
  • Don't even bother to flash, just go around, quicker, less annoyance.

    Percect. Low profile, make tracks.
    See andres? It can be done without all the hoopla or attitude.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,263
    edited January 2013
    jjackson12 asks of andres3
    >How did you become responsible for rewarding positive action and providing negative feedback for incorrect action?

    In their own subconscious mind they become the policeman that they themselves hate so much.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,263
    edited January 2013
    >When I was past, I got back in the right lane, and drove on the shoulder just enough to kick up some spray.

    ??? Sounds aggressive and retaliatory.

    >passed on the right on I5 in western WA. It is just normal driving here. Don't even bother to flash, just go around, quicker, less annoyance.

    Amen. I've done that occasionally with someone going slower than I wanted to travel. Some claim it's not legal. I notice my son was taught in drivers ed never to pass on the right; he always uses the left on 3 or more lane roads to pass a car in the middle lane. He will hang back and wait for the driver on a 2-lane interstate to move to the right. I suspect he was told in Ohio it's illegal to pass on the right on two-lane roads. I have not checked.

    But passing on the right is the easy way to ameliorate a bad situation and shows maturity.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,263
    >Having someone speed up while being passed

    I can't recall when I've seen that happen in my travels for years.

    As a neutral comment, I've noticed that some people who are wanting to go faster will come up behind, follow, and then when I move to the right hand lane of 2 lanes, they move forward a little and then go the same speed at which I am traveling on CC. They don't like being out front is my suspicion, but they will travel above the speed limit if there are other cars and trucks ahead of them--is this from the old days of the first car got zapped by radar by the smokey hiding on the overpass or in the median or behind the bridge railing?
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,890
    Maybe they should leave the Taurus in the street?

    Nooooooo!
    Actually, if you weren't in Michigan I'd swear you were squatting in my house. We had a similar situation with our neighbors across the street - too many cars. Well, there wouldn't really have been too many if their garage weren't full of junk, but since it was, that left several vehicles parked in the street; most notably, a Taurus. (Alliteration alert:) This Taurus was perpetually parallel parked perpendicular to the end of our driveway, making it a real PITA for us to pull out, particularly when towing something behind the truck.

    After a few months, it became clear that the Taurus had long since taken its last ride, and was inoperable - expired tags, flat spot on the front tires. I gave them a generous 6 months before I reported it to the city as a decrepit vehicle, and it was mercifully towed away.

    Moral of the story: don't wish for a Taurus on your street.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,263
    >the Taurus had long since taken its last ride, and was inoperable - expired tags,

    You were beyond generous in not reporting the car...

    Something you'd said in the past about rules for garbage cans perhaps indicated your city was good about zoning and appearances. Ours is very good. Cars can sit for 7 days, IIRC. The city occasionally asks people to notify them of cars that haven't been moved that are parked on the street.

    Our city uses some lowlevel police cadet trainees to ride in a police car marked for Parking Enforcement to spot such cars as your Taurus as well as check for handicapped parking violations at the local groceries and box stores with their designated handicapped spaces.

    I've seen tickets on cars parked on the left side of the street facing the opposing traffic in residential neighborhoods.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,813
    edited January 2013
    Nah, I was in an old car, you know how they wander around sometimes? :shades:

    I have witnessed the speeding up while being passed ideal numerous times around here, on highways and surface streets both. It fits in with the local passive aggressive attitude. They will almost always give up and slow back down once you've moved past.

    Passing on the right is fine in WA anyway, here's the law:

    RCW 46.61.115:

    (1) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass upon the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:

    (a) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;

    (b) Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for two or more lines of vehicles moving lawfully in the direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle.

    (2) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Such movement shall not be made by driving off the roadway.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,263
    >When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;

    I read those as Boolean And relationships--so the cars have to be making a lefthand turn...
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,813
    I see (a) and (b) as independent statements under (1). The (2) also opens the door up to just about anything, so long as you stay on the road.

    Probably made to prevent people from driving on the shoulder, which is uncommon here, but seemingly a normal event in the south.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,341
    In their own subconscious mind they become the policeman that they themselves hate so much.

    There's some truth to that, as I believe that traffic cops fail to do their job competently. If they don't do it, someone has to!

    I generally don't flash, but if I think your basically asleep at the wheel, particularly bad LLC offenders, then you may get a couple flashes to wake you up.

    The typical LLC doesn't get flashed by me.... it's the really blatant ones.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,341

    But passing on the right is the easy way to ameliorate a bad situation and shows maturity.


    When easily possible, it makes sense, but it usually does contribute to increasing traffic congestion when you are forced to pass on the right, in addition to having greater speed differentials, which some here think is a big deal.

    It's simply safer for faster traffic to pass on the left.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,341
    is this from the old days of the first car got zapped by radar by the smokey hiding on the overpass or in the median or behind the bridge railing?

    Maybe. But in my experience the smokies have gotten so lazy that they will pull over the vehicle in back because it takes too much energy and time to chase down the fastest car in front. (provided they are all within 5 to 10 MPH of each other and all going 15 or more over the limit).
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    insane amount of cars with no lights, I stopped counting at around 10. All kinds of stuff from worn old cars to new Cayennes.

    Perhaps your sleepless city needs some kind of ongoing public awareness spots on your radio and tv stations about putting headlights on. Citizens in sleepless drink a lot of coffee and should be very aware of things, responsibilities. :P
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    However, I don't see a flash or two as particularly evil, nor even a toot of the horn.

    Perhaps just letting it go could work best for everyone. :) No way is one individual going to change the world of drivers.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,813
    I blame it all on transplants and tourists :shades:

    Saw 4 of them today, I recall a Yaris, Xterra, and 90s Z-car. No other real inconsiderates though, actually got to drive home at roughly the speed limit - rare event.
  • When I was past, I got back in the right lane, and drove on the shoulder just enough to kick up some spray.

    Wow, for someone who gets upset when a driver fails to use his turn signal, you pull something like this? You're the inconsiderate one.
  • This evening I talked with the neighbor across the street from our unfortunate Explorer. There are no cars in the street.

    Silver Focus - her car, garage
    Mustang - his summer car, garage
    Black Focus - his car, driveway in front of Mustang
    Explorer, son, commuting to college 10 miles away, driveway

    Kia - friend, helping move in (gone now)
    Taurus - BIL, helping move in (gone now)

    While it was nice to have help moving into a new house, it prevented our young (but smarter now) student from parking in the driveway.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,813
    edited January 2013
    I did it because [non-permissible content removed] in the van sped up while being passed- one of the biggest jerk moves someone can pull. I was just returning his lack of consideration ...And it worked, I didn't see him again :shades:
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,508
    one of the biggest jerk moves someone can pull.

    That's for sure. Not only one of the biggest jerk moves, but also amongst the most dangerous (on a two lane highway, especially).
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