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Inconsiderate Drivers (share your stories, etc.)

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  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    Also, I'll remember the time zone defense if I ever get a parking ticket and the "no parking" times didn't mention the time zone.

    Hey, it's a legitimate argument, in San Diego especially, since Military time is common around here.

    Also, a sign with arbitrary hours is even worse than the usual sign. A no right turn on red is bad enough (I never agree with them). But one that says M-F during rush hours is even worse, afterall, are holidays excluded? Certainly there is no rush hour on a holiday that has the same traffic levels as a regular day, yet I'm sure they'd issue the ticket!

    The whole point is it has nothing to do with safety, and that officer should be executed for writing that ticket. There are better things to do with his time!
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,601
    On a little road trip - not many LLCs out there, but seemingly a lot of MLCs. Especially people in small to medium SUVs who are eating or yapping. Seeing a middle aged woman with a Subway sandwich going 50 in her CRV in the middle lane of I-5 reminds me of how dumbed down we've become.

    Also last night, 9pm, raining, dark, still idiots with no lights. Almost always a pickup. Lots of residual commute stop and go shenanigans at the start of my drive, so only managed 39.9mpg per the car.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,697
    The whole point is... what the g** d*** hurry? I remember a time when right turns on red weren't permitted under ANY circumstances. Somehow we managed.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,601
    But at the same time, for some, why so slow? The limits are already dumbed down to the lowest common denominator, and even asking that is too much for so many.

    Right turn on red makes sense in my high traffic area anyway, just to clear out the intersection. If people had to sit for no justifiable reason at an intersection where they wanted to turn, it would do nothing but create traffic backups.

    At one time we somehow managed without endless medical advances, workplace benefits, standards for child labor etc too. Right turn on red is actually evolutionary, like many other advancements. Standards need to be raised, not lowered.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,697
    I love right turn on red. But unfortunately some folks don't understand that it's "right turn on red AFTER STOPPING". So that causes problems in areas with traffic congestion, pedestrians etc. Thus the need for "no right turn on red" signs on some intersections, part time or all the time. If drivers would STOP and LOOK before turning right on red, and YIELD to traffic and pedestrians, there wouldn't be a need for those signs.

    When right turn on red first debuted in Minnesota, there weren't any exception signs. They started popping up because of accidents and injuries caused by drivers who were in such a g** d*** hurry, they couldn't STOP and LOOK and YIELD to other cars and to pedestrians. Blame them, not the public servants you like blame all the world's problems on.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,601
    edited June 2013
    Yes, stopping is part of the bargain. If drivers aren't doing it, they are in the wrong. I see the same issue just as much at normal stop signs though, especially leading onto major streets - the vacuous driver will roll through and pull out in front of oncoming traffic. Then every now and then they get t-boned, and should receive far more punishment than they do.

    Reminds me of my city, that in the past year has installed many blinking left turn lights for major intersections during non-peak hours. They've recently had to add signage reminding the dumbed down local yokel that they still need to yield to oncoming traffic. Pretty sad. Maybe penalties need to be increased for such right of way violators. Some of the new-to-motoring set will also come to a stop at these blinking lights with no oncoming traffic, which bring out the horns. Education fail, perhaps.

    Strangely enough, right on red is almost unknown in Europe, likely because of higher pedestrian traffic. One of the very few road rule related issues where NA is ahead.

    I wasn't blaming these "servants" for people not stopping when they should - looks like yet another strawman. But I do blame them for goofy traffic controls.
  • ronsteveronsteve Posts: 435
    Right turn on red makes sense in my high traffic area anyway, just to clear out the intersection. If people had to sit for no justifiable reason at an intersection where they wanted to turn, it would do nothing but create traffic backups.

    What gets me in Louisville is that there are some intersections with multiple right-turn lanes and thus dedicated signals (I guess in some places this implies that you can't turn right on a red arrow?), and they take the time to post "Right Turn on Red Permitted After Stop." But do the right arrows turn green with the non-conflicting protected left? NO! That's some stupid design right there.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,697
    edited June 2013
    ... are probably also are inconsiderate on the road, since they don't give a d*** about other people and other vehicles.

    Ran into one of those today, literally. I parked way over to the left against a median. Tons of room to my right. I had returned to my car and was checking emails before I left when an old black Durango parked next to me. He parked nearly on the left white line... the idea of centering a car in a spot must be foreign to him. The guy opened both doors on the left and took his time getting his gym bag out (somehow that required BOTH doors to be open). I was ready to back out, but wasn't quite sure if my side mirror would hit his driver's door, or him. So I waited. And waited. Then he did something inexplicable. Rather than just shutting both doors, he opened the driver's door up to full extent, hitting the side of my car. Then closed both doors. He didn't make any indication he knew or cared what he just did. My side window was open so I called after him, "Hey, would you watch the doors, please!" He continued on as though he didn't hear me, or care. He had earbuds in so maybe his music was so loud he didn't hear me. So I shouted louder, "Hey, JERK, watch the doors!!". He continued on, oblivious. Good thing for him this isn't Texas and I wasn't packing.

    He's so oblivious he probably won't notice the new scratch on his Durango's side door... which just so happens to be about the same size as the new scratch on my door. But his scratch shows up more, with white primer under black paint. :)
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,388
    Before keyless entry a better response would have been a healthy shot of crazy glue in each door lock- followed by a paper clip... ;) A friend retaliated against a similar affront by taking his cordless drill and drilling out the valve stems of all four tires...

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,697
    Oh darn, I left my crazy glue, paper clips, and cordless drill at home today!
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,228
    Not to mention that "keys" are going away.

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,697
    One benefit to having a car made in 2005! Still has good ol' keys... have many uses.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,228
    I've been fobbed just doesn't have the same ring to it. :shades:

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  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    He's so oblivious he probably won't notice the new scratch on his Durango's side door... which just so happens to be about the same size as the new scratcceh on my door. But his scratch shows up more, with white primer under black paint

    Well, here in the land of N, NE Illinois, many of us have heard about "justice" on the streets of Chicago, Crook County, in winter months. People clean out the snow along the curbs of streets in front of their houses to park their cars. Then they place old chairs other stuff to stake out their claim to their parking spots. When they are away with their cars, and someone then removes the old chairs or other items and parks their vehicles, then all heck can break loose. Common story is that the aggrieved then connect a hose and run water around the offenders tires and freeze him/her in place. No damage, no scratched paint. No. Just justice.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,697
    Yeah, I left my garden hose at home too. And it was about 80 degrees. At least the idiot didn't have to wait a few days to move his Durango.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,325
    How in the world do you reason that the public right of way on a public street can be lawn chair reserved for you and only you? Who do you think you are to feel aggrieved when the public parking space on a public street is filled by someone else? :confuse:
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    Who do you think you are to feel aggrieved when the public parking space on a public street is filled by someone else?

    Obviously you never lived in Chicago. Even the last, 2nd, Mayor Daley had spoke of the "rights" of those who had cleared out the snow at the curb to "claim" their parking spot.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,634
    seems only fair :P

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,601
    Came back from podunk this morning. A few LLCs out today, and several MLCs out too. Raining, many not abiding by the lights/wipers ideal. Worst were the speed demons though - all but one was a SUV or pickup. I love seeing small man syndrome sufferer going 80 in a 60 and then being stuck in an exit ramp backup as the people he cut off whizz by. And signals, what are those?

    I also went from small town west coast USA full of good old boys and tweakers, back to the multicultural wonderland that makes driving in Seattle so special. Had a relatively close call with a yapper in an Audi who crossed into the oncoming lane in a parking lot.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,325
    And where do you file your claim to this property? The mayors office, city hall? When does your claim expire? Or, how long does it last?

    Never lived in Chicago and never will. Why Boeing moved their corporate office there is still a mistery. :P
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,601
    Looking at the current mayor of Chicago, the office does not exactly represent logic and accountability.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    I remember a time when right turns on red weren't permitted under ANY circumstances. Somehow we managed.

    There was also a time before the internal combustion engine where horses were used, and the horses couldn't run faster than 55 MPH so the 55 MPH speed limit may have made sense back then.

    The point is people evolve, civilizations advance, and technology improves.

    With it, the laws need to "get with the program."
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    they couldn't STOP and LOOK and YIELD to other cars and to pedestrians. Blame them, not the public servants you like blame all the world's problems on.

    Seems your beef is not with drivers that fail to stop completely, but with drivers that impede traffic or violate simple right-of-way rules. Certainly, rolling through a right turn at a few MPH where no cars are coming for miles doesn't hurt anyone. Stopping completely at the right turn only to cut someone off with the right of way doesn't do any better. The point is you can't cut someone off and impede their progress whether you stop, roll, or wait minutes for the green. Remember, even when your light turns green you should make sure the intersection is clear and it is SAFE to move forward and complete your turn before moving forward and completing your turn.

    I would challenge that right turn on red accidents are a minuscule percentage of accidents at intersections.

    We should blame the people causing the accidents. Write them expensive tickets for causing accidents. Take away their licenses for a period of time. Force them into remedial driver's training programs to learn right of way rules.

    Writing pointless laws and adding pointless signage doesn't accomplish that. Useless laws lessen the enforcement of important laws. So you bleeding heart liberals out there, when you ask "what harm does a law banning a large soda do?" The answer is that worthless laws weaken the vital laws. Limited allocation of resources, including for the overpaid law enforcement group.

    By the way, if a right turner causes a rear-end accident, it is actually their fault (the difficulty will be proving it if they lie though). It is actually legal to change lanes into the right lane from the left lane at an intersection too. There was an insurance scam group that would deliberately ram right turners from the left lane (by changing lanes) if they didn't heed this assigned accident blame rule.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,697
    There is so much b.s. in your post, I wouldn't know where to begin.

    This isn't about banning sodas... which is a ridiculous idea. It's about following basic traffic laws, like stopping at stop signs and stop lights. Not too hard to understand.

    If you don't like following basic traffic laws, I recommend you either stop driving, or petition for removal or changing of controls you don't like.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    edited June 2013
    Basic traffic laws include yielding the right of way to other traffic. If one is able to do this without a complete stop at a right turn, why require it?

    Just because it is legal doesn't mean you have to roll through. If rolling right turns were legalized it doesn't mean stopping at the turn would become illegal!!!!

    I think you are having problems with the truth here.

    Even the most "basic" laws need fine tuning once in a while.

    Laws were made and written by humans and therefore subject to error.

    Also, regarding the case that started this discussion, my brother in law did in fact come to a complete stop. He said so, and I believe him whole heartedly because had he not the officer would have wrote him up for that far more expensive violation of "running a red light" (LOL), then the sign violation of disobeying forbidden hours of the day to turn right.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,697
    You are having a problem confusing a STOP sign with a YIELD sign.

    If you think there's STOP signs that should be YIELD signs, you can talk with your local authorities to get them changed... do some of that "fine tuning" you would like to see.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,325
    The majority agrees with you re: the B S. :shades:
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,601
    edited June 2013
    Maybe with the proliferation of dash cams, we can start collecting examples of negligent traffic controls, upload them all to Youtube, and embarrass municipalities with their poor planning and dumb infrastructure. That might require a level of accountability to be had by those with their fingers on the buttons though, and that exists inconsistently at best. It'd be nice to see some of these things defended with big pensions on the line.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,634
    Oh, no, and I just invested in a snow plow attachment for my Mini Cooper! :)

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