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Inconsiderate Drivers (share your stories, etc.)

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,353
    edited September 2013
    First commute back in the first world today - man this place is slow. The highway near my hotel in FL was posted at 50, I could be going almost 70 and be passed, as local crime was so high that cops had real things to do. Not here, where going 5 over feels like unrestricted Autobahn.

    On foot today, dealt with some negligently managed traffic controls (thanks, you brave and hardworking "engineers" who deserve fat pensions when you retire before real workers). Two notable phone yappers were women in a late model Lexus LS and one in a brand new GL63 -both of which have standard bluetooth. So far past time for wealth based fines - if success is based on logic and responsibility and intelligence, why is so little seen from a certain segment on the road?
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,353
    edited September 2013
    Today saw a guy have a close call in a crosswalk vs a Mercury Milan. Also had to wave my arms to get the attention of a spoiled airhead holding a phone in a G55 (seriously) who was sitting and not looking both ways at the crosswalk where I wanted to cross - I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her. Probably 80% of the phone yappers today were women. Also saw a guy in an early 00s stock Civic coupe weaving and driving aggressively...due to local traffic controls, after a mile or two he had a whole car length on me, congrats!
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,982
    edited September 2013
    Maybe you should invest in one of those little fog horns for your walking/jogging adventures. One toot and the space cadets would jump the curb and run you down for sure.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,353
    Might not be wise to give me something I can throw at the local oblivious SUV brigade :)
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,982
    I'd recommend one of those blinding chrome mirror helmets you could aim at traffic, but you never get sunshine, so ....

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,353
    Exactly, sunshine? Even though it was nice today...just baked the little brains of the idiots.

    Maybe I can just get a tiny camera and put it all on youtube, and list the license plates and cars.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,982
    Just move - pedestrians have it easy in Orlando or Atlanta LOL.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,353
    I prefer what is still the first world, for now anyway.

    Although I like the faster traffic flow on open roads in those places, it's like slow motion here.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343
    Listing the license plates, make, and model of the offending cars on the road that display poor driving is a great idea! Maybe have a ranking system from 1 to 10 for the severity of the roadway offense.

    Get millions of users to provide millions of input data and you can aggregate and average the score of America's worst drivers.

    Causing an accident would be worth 1,000,000 points.
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla MarylandPosts: 703
    You do realize that left lane campers would immediately use that idea to try and blacklist anyone in a car stuck behind them... that flashed their lights. Or who managed to pass them.

    It'd be the very worst of drivers that would monopolize that system to penalize everyone that didn't kowtow to their incompetence.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343
    That's funny. Yes, user data input will be abused, as with anything open to the public.

    I think the CHP buys the Escort Live App on the I-phone because most
    every time my radar detector pings the I-phone App with their location, they seem to move.

    I suppose law enforcement could buy the equipment and program and then give a lot of false reports. However, I could see Escort refusing to sell to law enforcement agencies.

    I would give the left lane campers the worst possible score of offense.

    I suppose it would be like they say, every one thinks they are a good driver, and that everyone else is bad.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343
    Accident causers would be forced to put a 1' x 4' display on the roof of their vehicle with a large LED readout stating "I've caused "X" number of accidents in the last 3 years."

    People would know when to steer clear.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,353
    Maybe make the online blacklist require dashcam evidence. I'd wager we'll see a lot more cam use in coming years, along with better tech. Smile, you're on candid camera.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,992
    There are some tip offs to potentially bad drivers:

    1. You cannot see their head

    2. Dents on every panel

    3. Duct tape holding the trunk closed

    4. Frequent brake lights with no discernible object ahead of them

    5. Signaling left but turning right

    6. (variant) Turn signal on for the last 18 miles

    7. Truck with lift kit and off-road clogs speeding past you in the rain

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  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343
    If a back-up camera was a $100 dollar option, and a dash cam was $100, and I could only afford one, I'd choose the Dash Cam 100 out of 100 times.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,353
    edited September 2013
    There might be a point when both are mandatory - definitely the latter is coming (many cars have it now).

    I wouldn't be surprised if insurance fraud as exists in Russia and some parts of Asia becomes more common, and more people will do it. A factory installed camera with no junky wires and work needed would be nice.

    I'll admit I like the backup camera, lots of tight parking where live, it helps in a dark garage.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,982
    A back up warning system (not necessarily a camera) was mandated by Congress in 2008 but the NHTSA hasn't done the rule making yet. There's story on Edmunds today about it.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,353
    Yep I remember that. I am surprised it got put off.

    On my car anyway, the camera is included in the main option group that is seen on virtually every car, so every E since 2010 will have it.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343
    This time it's the SD PD's turn.

    They want to argue about a speeding ticket on a 4 lane arterial that was empty on a 1:30 PM time in the afternoon. 2-lanes each direction, separated by a double yellow I think.

    The speed limit; under-posted at 35.

    His "laser" reading; 50 - I think. Doesn't much matter to me as whatever speed I was going, was not in any way shape or form unsafe or hazardous.

    I was in the left lane as I was coming to a stop at a red light signal where I would be turning left in the left turn lane. There was no traffic alongside or in front of me. There were no pedestrians or bicyclists. The weather and visibility were ideal for high speed driving.

    I came to a smooth, controlled, and gradual stop at the light at which point he got up behind me. Being as I was stopped at the previous light I didn't have that much time to be going 50 MPH; maybe just a second or two.

    He mentioned something about the hazard of this section of roadway having higher than usual accident numbers. We'll see, that'll be a first for me if the engineering survey confirms that assertion.

    Maybe if the speed limit was set at the 85th percentile accidents would be reduced.

    What a waste of time! :(

    See you in court SD PD.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    So, you admit you could have been going 50 in a 35 zone. You were just stopped at the previous light and knew you needed to stop a little ways further up to turn left. Yet you decided to run 'er up to 50 anyway... just so you could save a second or two before your left turn.

    What is there to argue? Just pay the fine, for something you admit to doing, and save yourself and the city of SD a lot of time... including all the time you'll spend giving us a blow-by-blow report here as this drags on over the next few months. ;)

    And maybe slow down a little... especially on roads like that where you have to stop frequently. What's the point of speeding on roads like that?
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,941
    good luck beating the citation/violation, A3... please let us know how it goes. your possible pending payment(s) may help to pay off California's debt to the rest of the planet, and especially to the other 56 USA states.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,353
    edited September 2013
    But you feel served and protected, right? Think of the children!

    You should go to Florida. It seems any kind of open arterial is posted at 50, and because it is a second world kind of place with perpetual property crime, mostly unpatrolled, so everyone goes 60+.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,992
    There are laws in some states regarding possible under-posting of realistic speed limits. If no surveys of that stretch of road were done in X years, you could possibly defend yourself on that basis. I researched this on law forums so it's valid--no guarantee the judge will buy it, but he may well be impressed by your research in this matter.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,903
    Back in the early '90s when I handled Traffic Court I had a guy come in and defend an interstate speeding ticket using a letter from his urologist. The letter explained that the guy had a medical condition that made it hard to control his bladder, and the guy said he was speeding to get to the next exit. I put the guy on the deferral docket- no new tickets in 90 days and the case would be dismissed.
    After court the prosecutor(who drove a ragged Malibu wagon and thought that your head exploded at over 70 mph) asked me if I had considered that the doctor's letter may have been forged. I told him that I really didn't care- if anyone put that much work into beating a ticket I thought that they deserved to be rewarded for their efforts.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,353
    edited September 2013
    I bet traffic court prosecutors can be pretty rabid - their healthy pay and wacky pension probably depends on it. Serving and protecting, those brave defenders of justice.

    Lots of dopes on the road here yesterday. It rained much of the day, so half the "drivers" decided 10 under was a good speed. It's fun going 20 in a 30 that everyone goes 40 on because it was probably a 30 in 1940. Then in my neighborhood there was a power outage, first one in years. I saw numerous "drivers" speed through non-operational stoplights. I guess they don't teach that one in newbie fresh off the boat driving school. Eventually, there were tons of cops on the road in the area, so complaints must have been called in. Didn't see anyone pulled over, though.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,982
    Funny, we had a short outage here yesterday (surprisingly, we get few of these out in the boonies). Gave my new UPS a good test. I didn't bother going down to the one "light" to see if it was still flashing. :D

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,353
    I have family out on the WA coast who loses power surprisingly infrequently too - but when they do lose it, it can be a mess, days at a time. Maybe the first or second time my area has lost it since the big storm of 06, not so bad seeing as so much is above ground here. Potential for another storm later today, maybe the mess yesterday worked through the system.

    Another bad driver trait I noticed last night when I went to the movies in a large mall complex with many levels of underground parking - some "drivers" fly through those garages. I bet they have fender benders all the time in there.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,982
    And probably lots of cameras to help establish fault.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,353
    edited September 2013
    I looked for that. They have random cameras in the parking areas, but I didn't really see any where I think the problems would develop, where the levels join the ramps, not sure how thy could judge speed, either. There's a kind of douchey club in this complex too - I bet the 1am 3er and Infiniti crowd is especially fun to drive with.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,903
    I bet traffic court prosecutors can be pretty rabid - their healthy pay and wacky pension probably depends on it. Serving and protecting, those brave defenders of justice.

    Not in Kentucky. In fact, most of the prosecutors I had would do just about anything to keep from having to try a speeding case. The ones that went to trial usually involved defendants with an arrogant attitude who ticked off the cop, the prosecutor, or both. My usual prosecutor drove a Mustang GT- and she ran the living ^@%^ out of it all the time. During her tenure some people said that speeding wasn't a crime in our division of court... :p

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