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Ford Freestyle - Taurus X

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  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    Actually, my life is going pretty good. Waiting until fall is an option I'm considering. Price is my main concern with the new Freestyle, oops, Taurus X. One of the many reasons I bought mine was the price. I'm holding myself to the low to mid 20's. That's one reason I'm not looking at the Edge. My concern with the CVT is more a matter of perception by a potential buyer/dealer than parts. Although, parts will become an issue eventually. I'm leaning more towards the Forester because of it's safety record. It's going to be smaller in interior room and cargo space, but what vehicle out there even comes close to the features of the Freestyle.
  • The Freestyle is the one to get, no doubt about it. Those who think otherwise must not value a high-MPG, practical, intelligent vehicle from Ford.
  • rick2456rick2456 Posts: 320
    I stopped off at Carmax and asked for an estimate on my 2005 FS SEL AWD. For a vehicle with 5500 miles on it, new condition, I was offered 18500 on a vehicle with a 33000 MSRP. So I would guess the resale value is not all that great. Of course I only paid 25000 for it, but even then, I am still upside down, just not as much.
  • I think I did good. I paid only 14,500 for my 05 Freestyle with 18k miles on it.. and with a 5k trade in.. and a few down.. it is almost all paid for

    Not to bad, but I agree resale is not all that great. I do intend to keep this as long as it hold out and it seems to be holding just fine

    Jim :)
  • MSRP is meaningless for your comparison here. The "market value" when you bought it new was the price you paid, or 25K. In effect, that was it's sticker price, at least as far as you're concerned. Carmax is a business that has to buy cars below their true value so they can then sell them at fair value. It's business 101. They would probably wash it, vacuum it out, and put it on the lot at around 21K, or about what you could get in a private sale. The bottom line is that your Freestyle has only depreciated from 25K to around 21K in your two-year ownership. That's pretty awesome really.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    If your car was appraised for trade at $18,500, the dealer will list it for about $23,998 and probably take aroud $20,500.

    That is assuming that they don't put any money into the vehicle other than a detail.

    Mark.
  • bruneau1bruneau1 Posts: 468
    I wonder what the trade value of a Freestyle will be when it becomes the Taurus X and there will be no more CVTs? Freestyle sales are already down 57% compared to last year and the trend will continue. With Mazda CX-7 and 9 and Edges on the lot with Freestyles, the Freestyles are glued to the lot. Also, most of them are over-optioned and far too high in price.
  • I wonder about trade-in value myself. I've never owned a vehicle that went through a name-change while I owned it. But I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it. The trade-in value of any vehicle is controlled by market forces.. and certainly nobody has any say over that. In other words.. it's gonna be whatever it's gonna be.
  • kjnormankjnorman Posts: 243
    I have been a bit harsh on the styling of the new Taurus X. Well I saw one up close today at the Milwaukee Autoshow and I have have to concede that in the metal it actually does not look too bad, Actual from the outside fairly decent.

    Still, I'm not keen on the name and though I could not see the new interior, if it is like other Ford efforts of late, then I think they are a bit behind the game. Of the "domestic" manufacturers in my opinion GM definitely has the best interior at the moment.

    I took a few photos. If they come out then I will upload them if I can.
  • xnappoxnappo Posts: 47
    So... Now that in the 2007 CR Auto issue the Freestyle is CR 'Recommended' do we take back anything negative that was said? :)

    xnappo
  • bruneau1bruneau1 Posts: 468
    No, just look at the detailed charts in the back for the 2005 model. CR's results reflect the same problems as reported in this forum. But, at least it is improving, and should be even better as the Taurus X. As CR points out, a black dot does not mean a vehicle is unreliable, but that its trouble exceeds the average (3%).
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,863
    "No, just look at the detailed charts in the back for the 2005 model."

    I read the original 2005 report; they based their black dot on the AWD Ford 500, assuming that the Freestyle would have the same reliabilty. So far as I know they didn't use info from the FWD or actual FS numbers. There was a footnote, as I recall.
  • cmunizcmuniz Posts: 604
    It's interesting. We own both an 05 Freestyle and an 06 Honda Civic. The auto press don't like the Freestyle, but many owners think it's a great car (me included). On the other hand the press loves the Civic, but many owners posting on Edmunds think the cars has many problems and the quality is now poor. Go figure!! All this may not be stastically valid but it goes to show that personal taste/experience trumps written reviews. I owned a 95 Ford Windstar that I drove for 95,000 trouble free miles with original Michelin tires that lasted 75,000 but it received awful ratings from CR and others. Maybe I just got lucky.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    according to Forbes.com, the 2006 Honda CIVIC with 4 recalls is in the top 10 most recalled models of 2006.

    Mark
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    What were the nature of the recalls?
  • tango_28tango_28 Posts: 35
    The only option missing is a sunroof, but has everything else(including nav system). This my first used car in 20 years and so far no problems yet in 2 weeks of driving. The car had 8000 miles on it when we bought it. It was hard find a used one because most of them were rental returns. I have test drove at least 15 Freestyles(new and used ones) in 2 months of looking. I notice that some of the 07s SEL seem louder than limited with more engine noise coming thru the cabin. We are coming from a 2000 Mazda MPV.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Sorry for the off topic:

    Honda Civic Coupe And Sedan
    Number Of 2006-Model Recalls: 4

    Recalls concerned:

    --Faulty frontal airbags
    --Incorrect NHTSA contact info in owner's manuals
    --Gas pedals that may come loose
    --Improperly attached rear glass

    http://www.forbes.com/vehicles/2007/02/16/vehicle-recall-safety-forbeslife-cx_dl- _0219recall_slide_6.html?thisSpeed=15000

    Mark.
  • My wife and I are looking at a FS for our soon to be family. We rented one and loved it on a 1000 mile drive. Perfect for kids and dogs which is our goal.

    The only issue is that it's a Ford and we've never had a good Ford in wither of our families. I have heard far more good than bad on the FS (a rarity with cars it seems) so it is still our front runner vs a Toyota Sienna. I really do not want any minivan. I'll drive a wagon any day- I grew up with a '73 Pontiac station wagon that had a 454 under the hood.

    Th Chicago Plant is interesting in that they make a few models on the same line- they quickly reconfigure for the different model Supposedly it's Ford's most high tech assembly plant.

    We're looking a later in the year so it may be a leftover '07 or the Taurus X, but that depends on pricing as well. the leftover will be a far better value than the X.=, but there is a major drivetrain change with the new engine and tranny. It remains to be seen about what it'll really mean. EPA mileage will not be even either- the '08 EPA standards are more demanding and will be worse than the '07. I'm looking forward to seeing more. The new styling makes it more interesting looking anyhow. I would call the exisitng FS "utilitarian" or "bland". That certainly does not make it bad!

    I still wonder why Ford killed off the Taurus name for the 500. It is the logical replacement- even with the overlap of the lines.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Please look at dealers in your area, inventory is very very low in all models due to production cuts. Do not expect to be able to wait until the 08s have been out for 2 months and still be able to get an 07 with the options you are looking for.

    Ford is trying to put the day of left overs in the past.

    Mark
  • Free cabin filter info from ANTHONY. So many doubters I had to post.

    I just want everyone to be able to enjoy cleaner air for this great car. Ford should have included this in this car and it seems they intended it to be here. You should see an old cabin filter and how much dirt it stops from entering the cabin and a/c coil. If the engine uses an air cleaner, the ac system needs one.

    If you use this information you agree to hold me harmless for any and all damages if any are caused.

    You will need the sharpest razor you ever used. Aluminum hvac tape, duct tape will fall off and a purolator C35519 air filter.

    Empty glove box, remove glove box damper on left side, and drop down.
    [img]http://www.myford500.com/photos/data/500/986dash.jpg[/img]

    This photo is looking inside the glove box after you lowered it. Locate the air filter mold and cut between the lines. Save the cut out piece to reseal the filter. Be careful when pulling the razor back, the sheetmetal behind the glove box frame is razor sharp. You will notice the mounting holes that Ford might have intended for a filter cover.
    [img]http://www.myford500.com/photos/data/500/986dash1.jpg[/img]

    Put filter in housing with the arrow down and check which way has the snug fit.
    [img]http://www.myford500.com/photos/data/500/986dash2.jpg[/img]

    Place cut out piece back in opening and use aluminum hvac tape to seal.

    [img]http://www.myford500.com/photos/data/500/986dash3.jpg[/img]

    I owned several Toyota Sienna's and they were weak, lousy handling and costly to maintain. Sienna's cabin filter is like a piece of paper. The freestyle 500 handles better, looks better and smokes the sienna.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    You need to use regular tags to post an image as in <img src="www.myford500.com/photos/data/500/986dash.jpg"> to get this:

    image

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,902
    You may want to put the photos on your CarSpace.com page so they'll be bigger too - these are a bit hard to see. Just login with your forum user name/idea and then follow the Album prompts.

    Moderator
    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • rick2456rick2456 Posts: 320
    LOL if that is the case, then I feel really sorry for anyone who paid near the MSRP.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    When I went to the intro training on the Ford 500, they told was going to be a cabin air filter and showed us it on the preproduction unit.

    Funny, all the production units I have seen have it deleted. :(

    I have a cabin air filter on my 07 Mustang and I definitely notice how much cleaner the dash is compared to previous cars I owned.

    Mark
  • fordenvyfordenvy Posts: 72
    Badged Taurus X (stupid), New 3.5L engine (good), new 6-speed transmission (good), new All-Wheel Drive system (good), new facia (better then the last), new two-tone interior and seat upholestry (good). The buttons, handles, and levers on the old freestyle were already of good quality so no need for improvement there. Did I leave anything out?
  • saabturboidsaabturboid Posts: 178
    The existing Haldex system is proven and very effective. Volvo will still be using it so there must be a reason for that. I was very impressed with how well the AWD Haldex system worked on our Freestyle over the last few weeks as we had back to back 16" snow storms. The "new" system is not being used because it is better. It is being used because it is cheaper. This doesn't equate to a (good) in my book.

    I am also not with you on the new transmission. I am a CVT proponent and wish Ford had continued to develop it.

    Regarding the name change... well...I wouldn't be caught dead with a Taurus in my driveway. I don't think I'm alone.
  • That is in the X. I know that the existing haldex is as good as they get, but it's costly.

    I believe that the base drive train is common between the Saturn Outlook, GMC Acadia (direct Envoy replacements), Ford 500 and the X. At least the transmission was a joint venture between GM and Ford. I'm not sure about the 3.5 engine.

    This car will be my daily driver as my wife has a company car and it's shaping up that it'll be a Prius (we call it a beep-beep). I'll end up with the 'high' of the hi-lo mix. Finally! I always end up with the lo!

    Reality is that I could go for a late model used FS as well. There's some Limited's here in Boston for 23k with under 10k miles. By far an excellent bargain IMHO. I'd be happy with an SEL :) too bad that in '078 it'll become a city commuter from home into downtown Boston.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    GM and Ford co-developed the 6 speed trans however, the software will be different so they will probably not feel the same.

    Mark.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    I did some research, drove a Forester and Rav and you're all right, neither one of those even comes close to the Freestyle with all its attributes. Although, I was impressed with the ride and overall quality of the Forester. With that said, I couldn't pass up a deal on a 07 Freestyle SEL. I traded in my 05 SE for a fully loaded with moonroof, for $1000 less than I paid for my 05 SE. The trade in value was less than desired, but my dealership is practically giving away the Freestyle. Less than 23,000 for a new Freestyle, I couldn't pass it up. This one I'll keep. As long as Audi, BMW, Cooper and Nissan keep using the CVT, parts should not be an issue.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    What did you get as the trade-in value for your '05 Freestyle? about $14K? It's pretty easy to give a really good price on a new car when they're making a killing on the trade-in.
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