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Daewoo Maintenance and Repair

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  • jkobty2jkobty2 Posts: 210
    The TSX is basically the European version of the Accord. Or in other words, it is the Accord sold elsewhere in the world. Of course spoofed up for Acura with a great looking interior/suspension package. It is not a bad car overall, but it had so many initial faults that if they happened on a Korean car, everybody would call it crap. But I guess when it is an Acura, then it is ok.
    The brake rotors started scoring and pitting within 2 weeks of ownership. Acura refused to replace them saying this is normal because of the large 17 inch tires allow dirt and stones to get through and affect the rotors. So they blame it on road conditions. The parchment color leather literally wipes off(has already lost its initial dye color and is now a darker shade). It also gets stained by clothes if you wear jeans or black leather, and the stains do not come off no matter how hard you try. I wish its original color was this persistent. I later learned that this is synthetic leather(not from cows), and that they paint it with the color instead of letting it soak in a dye. El Cheapo if you ask me.
    The engine has starting problems if you crank it immediately, you have to place the switch in the start position and wait for the fuel pump a few seconds before cranking(Acura does not want to fix this, they say it is normal). The woodtrim peeled off from the steering wheel, they actually fixed this one and got the steering wheel replaced. The steering was out of alignment (car pulls to the right), they fixed this, but now it is back, I have to complain again. The engine burns oil, as I noticed the oil level decreases noticeably between oil changes, The fuel economy is not as good as my Woos(around 20 mpg).
    The AC leaked water into the cabin because the drain hose was not connected properly(factory problem). and a few other minor issues but you get the gist.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,713
    of calling the Japanese makes "fallible" to say the least. Your post above only reinforces the way I have felt since 1999 when I decided to trade my purple '97 Ford Escort for a Violet Mist 1999 Kia Sephia sedan. I noticed the peppy engine of the Sephia(mated to a 5-speed manual tranny, the Escort had a slushbox)outshined the Ford. Reports like the above really make it hard to believe that the Japanese makes are "superior" to Korean makes. I'll take a Kia, Hyundai and/or GM Daewoo Auto&Tech.Co.(Daewoo)over any Japanese car any day of the week without batting an eyelash. Over.

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • brettski1brettski1 Posts: 12
    Well, I had to do it. The Leganza hit 61K miles and I was startin to get nervous about the timing belt. I changed the timing belt, timing belt tensioner, water pump (just cuz), the serpentine drive belt and the hoses. For a shade-tree mechanic like myself, about 10 hours at a leisurely pace....the shop manual helped a bunch. The timing belt I took off was a Gates and it was immaculate; not a crack, split, or fray. The tensioner was great, also. Not a miniscule amount of detectable play. The water pump was the same. The serpentine belt was a Gates; it had numerous cracks at the inside (which is normal) and the rest was in excellent condition. Not looking forward to doing it again at 120K, but I hate going to the dentist, too.
  • Are shop manuals available on the Web? I am interested in a shop manual for 2000 Nubira.
  • frenchcarfrenchcar Posts: 247
    In the past week the daily newsletter from Just Auto.Com has revealed that GMDAT bought the vacant Daewoo assembley plant in India and then went together with Shanghai Auto to purchase the old Daewoo engine plant in China and today announced that VM diesel motor company in Italy (Roger Penske is the Chairman) will build a diesel engine plant next to the main Daewoo plant in South Korea.. The first engines will be ready for the 2006 model year. GM is going to town with the Daewoo purchase. I sat in a Suzuki Forenza today and will drive a Chevy Aveo in the morning as that is a Daewoo Kalos. The Forenza was very nice indeed but sits low compared to the Aveo. Im looking forward to this.
  • FYI... Suzuki Forenza discussion topic is now in the Sedans section (it used to be in "Future Vehicles" section.
  • brettski1brettski1 Posts: 12
    The only place that I run into shop manuals for Daewoos is either a Daewoo dealer (good luck), or E-bay. There was a Daewoo dealer in my area that eventually switched to Suzuki. When I called them, they were able to offer parts for the Leganza, albeit darn expensive. This may be your only other route. For the record, I paid $130 for the shop manuals (2 books about 2-l/2" thick) new from the dealer when I purchased the car....cheap insurance, as I look back now.
    Try:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=246657- 2496&category=6762
  • berniberni Posts: 1
    I have a 20000 Nubira wagon with 15000 miles on it. The engine light comes on about every other day. Any suggestion for cause or repair?
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    Interesting conversation in here on comparing Korean cars to their japanese makes. I am really glad some of you have had great luck with your Kia's. But, there is good reason that Kia came in last place in the J.D Power Initial Quality Survey for 2003. On the flip side, the top rated manufacturer is...you guessed it..Toyota.
  • richsaprichsap Posts: 93
    Berni, I don't have the 20000 model, but on my 2000 model the check engine light came on after about 40,000 miles. The tech at the now defunct Daewoo dealership said it was an external sensor mounted on the engine that was a 'secondary' sensor. Something about it was a redundant sensor that would not cause any problems to let it run like that. Anyway, I purchased the sensor before the dealership (and Daewoo America) folded, but have yet to mount in and I now have over 91,000 miles on the car.

    The sensor is on the left hand side of the engine (as you are facing the car) about 6" below the fuel rail. The wire leading to it travels over the valve cover next to the timing chain cover. According to the tech, this sensor was prone to failure on these engines.

    Good luck with it!
  • richsaprichsap Posts: 93
    Have any of you ever replaced the CV joint on the driver's side of a Daewoo? Being a GM-based product, I suspect that I should be able to do it just like my old Chevy Geo... just pull the wheel assembly off, pop out the old joint and pop in the new. Mine started going out this weekend. Just hope I can find parts...
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    Suzukis Isuzus Toyotas. All had different technology.
  • slentz1slentz1 Posts: 3
    i have a 2000 leganza cdx. i agree with you. it is a great car. what year is your leganza? have you ever replaced the brake switch? do you know if it is possible to bypass this? it is nice too see people still posting messages concerning daewoo.
  • jkobty2jkobty2 Posts: 210
    I have a 1999 CDX model. I believe the best Daewoo cars were built prior to the bankruptcy. As part of the bankruptcy the Korean state run banks(Daewoo creditors) forced them to cut parts costs. My Leganza is now 5 years old and still trouble free. It is fully paid for. All I have to do now is enjoy it for the next 5 years, and hopefully more.
    I never had the brake switch replaced. It still works fine. Although I did have it replaced in the Nubira. I have the feeling it is related to parking the car in the sun(heat related). Since I park my Leganza in a garage, it has not failed yet. But I could be wrong. Anyways when it happened on the Nubira it took the mechanic less than 20 minutes to fix it. And it never happened again. I really do not know if there is a bypass you can do, but a simple bypass would be to stick a piece of plastic or wood in the brake release key hole right next to the shift knob, and keep it there.
  • jkobty2jkobty2 Posts: 210
    Known problems with Leganza engine:
    These are the problems so far with the GM engines on our woos. Notice that problems can be avoided by proper maintenance.
    1. Valve cover gasket seeps (weeps) oil. Replace gasket and reseal with proper sealant. Very cheap to do yourself or by mechanic. Cost here in Canada is about $60 USD for this job done at a Daewoo dealership.
    2. Misfire (check engine light). 99.9% due to a blocked fuel injector. Peform a fuel injector cleaning service which is recommended by Daewoo service manual.
    3. Make sure you change the timing belt, tensioners, water pump, initially no later than 55K miles. Use a better quality belt like Gates.
    4. When changing the timing belt, check the oil pump as it uses the same braket to secure it as the tensioner. If the tensioner becomes wobbly, it can have an effect on the oil pump.

    Basically do your maintenance on time, and your leganza will last for a very long time. I have seen local leganzas here in canada with over 150k miles.
    furthermore, now that Suzuki is offering the Forenza in the US and the Optra in canada which both use the GM Holden 2.0L engine in Nubira with a similar timing belt assembly, you can service your cars at your nearest suzuki dealer.
  • bostonloubostonlou Posts: 11
    you can also take apart the dash and tape the switch open so that it's permanently bypassed...

    that's what I did on the wife's 2000 leganza CDX...

    I'd love to trade this thing in but I know she owes a boat load more than what it's worth... maybe I'll just drive it into the river :)
  • rsunicorsunico Posts: 82
    a friend of mine has a 99 nubira.. needs pretty much a new exhaust system. he is shocked at the prices. any tips on where to go to get reasonable prices for an exhaust system?
  • bostonloubostonlou Posts: 11
    hey all...
    I posted the message below about a year ago and I ended up going to a local garage for a recharge which seemed to workout good. But the other day I tested the AC for the first time and it's again busted. Is there such a thing as a slooooooooow leak that takes a year to empty?? Guess anything is possible but I just thought I would vent and seek help on here. Thanks

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    #556 of 939 Looking for help - '00 Leganza A/C by bostonlou Jun 16, 2003 (11:34 am)
    hello everyone,
    my girl friends daewoo (2000 leganza CDX) is no longer blowing cool air while the AC is on. What are her options as far as dealerships/warranty go??

    one former dealer said they were only servicing the ones that they sold and the one that sold it to her said they would run a $200 test and then figure out what the problem was from there.

    any tips and/or help would be greatly appreciated

    thanks!
  • red33red33 Posts: 2
    Well, My 2000 Leganza broke down on me this Saturday- I think it is the timing belt, I have 67K on the car. I had it checked about a month ago and they told me it was not worn and did not need to be changed yet. Does anyone know where I can get service done on my Car in the Fort Worth Texas area?
  • leonard2leonard2 Posts: 1
    I have a leganza 1999 and the dash is coming unglued (for want of a better description) from around the defroster grill. Dealer wants about a 1000 to replace and install. Any body know of after market dash board that can be ordered. OR is my best bet just to cover it and forget it
  • 2000 Nubira, great car until a week ago when the "Check Engine" light came on. Went home, tured the car off and the light wasn't there in the morning. Came back on when I was driving home from work. Went to Daewoo Service center, got 30,000 service done and told them about the light. Got new Gasket-Cyl Head Hood, new fuel filter, replaced valve cover gasket, oil change, replaced "V belt", and air filter. Drove home with no light from the dealer, but it came on again when i was driving home from work today. Was doing about 65mph with the air conditioner full blast. Car runs fine. Should I take it back in, or am I wasting my time and money? And yes, i've checked the gas cap. It's tight. Suggestions appreciated!
  • richsaprichsap Posts: 93
    Timing belt broke with 90k miles on car, 40k miles on timing belt (it had been changed at 50k miles). Gates brand belt - they won't repair the car because I don't have dealership records showing replacement and my dealership went out of business over a year ago.

    I'm told that it is an interference engine, and therefore extremely likely that the engine is shot. I coasted for a quarter mile before I was able to pull of the road, the engine turning via the transmission the whole time.

    My dilemma: Bankrupt car company, parts availability is a joke, bad engine (est. $1,500 rebuild) bad CV joint (est. $400 repair) body damage from previous accident (est. $1,800 repair). Keep it or scrap it? I'm not hurting for a car as I own another, though I do miss the 30 mpg and sporty ride. As all else on the car works well, I think I could part it out for $1,000 or more, though I would rather sell the whole thing at once.

    By the way, on a 2000 Nubira a check engine light that comes on intermittedly at first will come on permanently after a few hundred miles. It is likely the secondary cam sensor located behind the valve cover on the passenger side. Mine did the same thing. I even bought the sensor but never put it on, as the sensor is a redundant one and doesn't affect the engine.
  • jkobty2jkobty2 Posts: 210
    You can get an already rebuilt head at ebaymotors.com for less than $400.
    Or replace engine with one from a car wreck.
  • frenchcarfrenchcar Posts: 247
    Question?? Was the Nubira the model with the timing belt problems or did the Lanos and Laganza suffer the same frequent fate? Most of these engines came from Holden in Austrailia (GM) and hopefully they have been improved since they are used in the Chevy Aveo, Suzuki Forenza and Verona and some Canadian models. Were they all interference engines and if the head is damaged isnt there the likelihood of piston damage too?
  • jkobty2jkobty2 Posts: 210
    The Nubira 2.0L engine is the most notorious regarding timing belt. The problem is not the belt itself, but that the tensioner gets loose after about 50K miles. It does start making a loose chain sound a while before it breaks. So if you are the kind to notice changes in engine sound, you will catch it before it breaks. I caught mine before it broke and had it replaced under warranty. My Leganza with similar mileage had no wear or tear on the timing belt or tensioner. I did replace them just to be on the safe side, and my dealer did it under warranty as well(dealers are really gouging the warranty administrator for Daewoo).
    The Lanos is also not as bad. I have seen them go over 60k without breaking the belt. but you have to change it at 60k anyways according to the manual. What will surely fail is the thermostat around 40K miles on the Lanos. It has a plastic housing and it will literally disintegrate. But that is a $20 part and easy to replace.
    The Aveo uses the same exact Lanos engine(even the plastic thermostat cover is still there).
    The Forenza uses the Nubira engine. We will know in a couple of years if they have fixed the timing belt tensioner problem. :)
    The 2.2L Leganza engine is not used on any current GM/Daewoo models in North America, but GM is using a newer version of this engine on all their small cars now.
    The Verona engine is totally different. it has no GM linkage. This is a state of the art engine developed by Dr. Ulrich Bez when he was working for Daewoo. It is non-interference and uses a timing chain instead of a belt. Canadian auto reviewers are claiming that it is of similar quality to Inline six cylinders from BMW. So I expect the Verona to be the most reliable of the GM/Woo offerings.
    All other GM/woo engines 1.6 in Aveo, and 2.0L in forenza are interference engines, and if you do not change the timing belt on time, the pistons will hit the valves. The amount of damage depends on what the car was doing at the time. If it breaks when you start the engine, you will only get a few bent valves. If it breaks while you are driving, you might get some piston damage as well.
  • richsaprichsap Posts: 93
    Well, for now I'm going to consider the Nubira a total loss. The repairs needed to return it to service would total anywhere from a minimum of $800 (not likely) to a maximum of about $1,800. Then there is the body damage, estimated at about $2,500, from a prior accident. These repairs would bring the resale value of the car up to about $2,000. Obviously not a wise investement of capital!

    I checked out a used engine on eBay, but it sold for $800 plus shipping. I just don't have the cash sitting around for a purchase like that plus the installation.
  • frenchcarfrenchcar Posts: 247
    Joseph, thanks for the great and valuable information. I always enjoy anything you post on any board and it amazes me where and how you come up with some of it. Are you an engineer or connected with an auto company? Or perhaps you have a real knack for locating info on the internet. I asked a well known radiator shop here in Arizona about the plastic thermostat housing you mention. They claim they are actually some type of nylon material and are more common than I thought possible but claim they have not seen a whole lot of problems with them. They advise to change coolant each year (flushing not needed) and to change the thermostat every two years with a factory one (not a cheap aftermarket part) and this will avoid radiator tank and cooling system problems. They claim most problems happen when a thermostats start to hang up and stick and then suddenly open too fast creating pressure problems. They showed me several old ones and could pick out the bad ones and partially bad ones just by the color differences on the shaft. ??? When the Verona came out someone told me that BMW did have a hand in the engine design. I have enjoyed my Suzuki models but am leaning towards Daewoo derivitives for the future. I am impressed and in 2006 there will be diesel models for some markets built by VM of Italy at the new plant in Korea.
  • jkobty2jkobty2 Posts: 210
    Thanks frenchcar. No I am not connected with any auto company, but I have owned Daewoos only since 1995 and have had great luck with them and I do my own maintenance most of the time. I used to live in Australia so I am quite familiar with these Holden engines as they are common on many GM Holden cars in Australia.
    Aveo Thermostat: That one is integrated with the plastic housing. meaning you cannot open the housing and change the thermostat. You will have to replace the whole unit. But it is a very cheap unit at $20. Granted that the 2 lanoses owned by my brother in law and his friend never had the coolant replaced. So it might live longer if you actually maintained the car better.

    Verona engine: The BMW link is Dr. Ulrich Bez who was a chief engineer at BMW. But there was no direct input by BMW as such. However there was direct design input from the Munich institute of technology, and Porsche. Remember that this engine was designed during the good old days when Daewoo was still spending the Korean banks money left and right.
  • frenchcarfrenchcar Posts: 247
    Yesterday someone posted a link to an interview with Nick Reilly the head of GMDAT that is interesting that you might enjoy....I agree that Korean car quality has caught up to the Japanese and has passed up USA and Europe. That link showed up on the Chevy Aveo board. I am seriously interested in a 2005 Aveo and they had a score of 5 in the frontal impact crash tests but just scored only 3 in the side impact tests recently at NHTSA and this concerns me. Do you by any chance kbow of an e-mail address for the Holden Export Engine Division?? And one for GMDAT and CEO Nick Reilly?? I have questions and ideas for both of them or perhaps I will have to go through Chevrolet in Detroit which can be a chore getting to the right department....... The intense heat here in Arizona is very hard on cooling systems, A/C systems, batteries and tires but after 3 years here I have learned a good deal and will know what to look for in the future. Very different than when I lived in Michigan or Colorado.
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