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Daewoo Maintenance and Repair

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  • richsaprichsap Posts: 93
    2000 Nubira CDX with 85k on it, no major problems to date. I obtain parts from a local GM truck dealer who carries some stuff in inventory.
  • pomvrpomvr Posts: 2
    Hello folks. My wife and I have a 2000 Daewoo Lanos hatchback and just took it in for the 60k maintenance. Here's what we're run into so far:

    1) Headlight wiring harness burned out - replaced while under warranty
    2) Thermostat housing split in half - we lost all of our coolant as it spilled out onto the freeway, but fortunately we pulled off right into a service station that agreed to fix it if we could find the part. We live in San Francisco, CA and went up to Fairfield to pick up the part. It was an $80 repair ($20 part + installation). No permanent damage to the engine that we (or the mechanics) can tell. This is apparently a very common problem. I hope Daewoo starts producing an aluminum version of this cheap plastic housing.
    3) Car was hesitating while downshifting to pass/climb - this was apparently due to the fact that our spark plugs were on their last leg. This problem can be temporarily remedied by using higher octane gasoline (we used 91 octane until we could get the car in for the 60k service). We're back to using 87 octane gasoline and no problems yet.
    4) Water pump/Timing belt replaced - this was normal for the 60k maintenance, although Daewoo apparently claims the timing belt will last 100k miles. I specifically requested that the timing belt be replaced at 60k, since that's the normal life span and I didn't want to face disaster if it snapped. The water pump was replaced by recommendation of the dealer.
    5) Temperature gauge not reading properly - we bought a replacement temperature gauge ($36), but haven't installed it yet. The dealer didn't have time to install it and we needed to get our car back, but I'm assuming it can be installed by a local mechanic.

    That's all I can think of. It's been a very reliable car given what we paid for it. We've had to do our homework to find a service station, but there are a couple of good dealers in the San Francisco Bay Area that still do repairs and are pretty friendly. Barber Nissan in Fairfield did our 60k maintenance, and they were very helpful.

    -Phil
  • jodifjodif Posts: 12
    Can anyone recommend good wiper baldes?? I have a 2000 Nubira & I actually think I have a flawed windshield. The wipers miss the whole center of it, which is, of course, my line of vision. Also, my wiper arms (?) are really stiff. Most cars, if you pull the wipers up a little, they snap back. Mine don't. I've tried lubricating them (non-silicone) & it didn't help. Can they be replaced?

    jodif
  • jkobtyjkobty Posts: 99
    Hey guys. Just a few insights. For the guys having hesitation problems when the car is cold, you need to do a fuel injection cleaning service.
    It is a good idea to change the spark plugs after that. But usually neither the plugs or wires are the problem, although the dealer might try to convince you of that so you buy the parts.
    regarding the passenger compartment AC filter, it is really pointless to buy a new one. I just clean the old one by soaking it in water and detergent, and then rinsing it thoroughly and leaving it to dry overnight. This is not a mechanical part and has nothing to do except filter dust.
    Regarding parts for your cars, really it is a no brainer now. Just drive by to your local Chevy or Suzuki dealer. The Suzuki swift, AKA Chevy Aveo uses the same exact engine on the Lanos. The Suzuki Forenza, AKA Chevy Optra is simply the 2004 Nubira and it also uses the exact Nubira engine. Enjoy your woos, they do not make them like they used to.
  • Long time, no postie from you! Do you still completely dig your Leganza? I notice the humble little Aveo is making some decent impressions on some North Americans in it's short little time available so far. I saw a yellow one heading swiftly down I-44 in mid-Missouri the other day, it looked like a large breath of fresh air amongst so many mundane looking Honda's and Toyota's and GM's and Subaru's on the highway! Good to read that you're still hanging around, I almost posted a "Where has jkobty been?" post the other day! How much do you think GM has muddied the Aveo waters with their methods, jkobty? Do you think it's wholly a Daewoo product?

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • Glad to see some of the old posters back.

    My Nubira presently has 88,000 miles on the clock and is still running strong. I had a sensor go out some time ago (about 50,000 miles) and though I have the sensor in the glove box and it is just a matter of getting dirty to change it, I haven't yet. Otherwise, it's been a great ride and I intend to drive it until the heart stops. Currently get about 27 - 28 mpg. Good info on the Suzuki/Chevy parts. I was concerned about getting replacement parts.
  • Older Lanos models seem to have had some timing belt, tensioner and water pump problems. The new Chevy AVEO (like a Daewoo Kalos in other markets) has an engine that says 1.6 L ECOTEC II and it is a direct ignition (no distributor) dual overhead cam engine. IS THIS THE SAME ENGINE THE LANOS HAD IN IT OR AN UPDATED VERSION??? NICE CAR AND IM TEMPTED TO GET ONE.. Im concerned with mechanical reliability.
  • jkobty2jkobty2 Posts: 210
    Interestingly enough the Daewoo Kalos sold elsewhere in the world has a newer engine than the Chevy Aveo, Suzuki swift versions. Yes, unfortunately these still use the old Daewoo Lanos 1.6L GM Holden built engine. I would have expected GM to go with Daewoos new engine, but it seems that they are so concerned about making money on these cars for a change that they decided to go with the GM built one.
    Not to say that the 1.6L Ecotec is a bad engine. In fact, it will surprise you how much powerful these engines are in real life driving despite the HP numbers. My brother in law owns a 2001 Lanos Sport which also has the 1.6L ecotec and he has driven it around 120 MPH on the freeway.
    You will have a timing belt problem if you ignore to change it on time. The belt, tensioner and water pump have to be replaced around 55,000 miles. Also the thermostat seems to fail around 50,000 miles, and since it has a plastic casing, the casing disintegrates, and you lose all the fluid. This is not such a huge thing since the replacement part is around $20. But it is consistent as it has failed on the 2 Lanoses that I know. And I fixed it myself for my brother in law at a cost of $20.
    I asked the Chevy dealer and the timing belt change interval is still the same for the Aveo as it is for the Lanos. And it is the same engine. I do not know if they have made any improvements to the timing belt tensioner. But as long as you change it on time, it is a non issue. Especially that you get plenty of warning signs before it fails(rattling noise like a loose chain that you can hear at low speed).
    The funny thing is that when GM executives were asked at the auto show about the Aveo, they claimed it is way more reliable than a Daewoo Lanos because the Aveo uses a GM engine!!!!!!!
    either those guys are stupid or are playing stupid.
  • jkobty2jkobty2 Posts: 210
    Just a small update, I still drive and absolutely LOVE my Daewoo Leganza. It is five years old now, still with zero problems, runs, handles, feels, looks and smells like a showroom car. Ans still looks way better than any car on the market. My wife leased a 2004 Acura TSX in June 2003. So far I have complained about 10 defects with the TSX, and got 3 fixed under warranty and the rest ignored by my dealer as "normal" whatever that is.
    I just love to rub their noses in it that my Daewoo Leganza has had ZERO problems and less wear and tear in 5 years of operation than an Acura TSX in 2 months.
    I am currently using our 2000 Nubira as a winter beater in toronto. This thing takes a licking and keeps on ticking. A true winter warrior of the first order, it starts like a champ in below 20 degrees weather and covered with snow. Its lease expires in 2 months. It has 80,000 miles on it with no out of pocket repair expense. The dealer changed the timing belt and tensioner and water pump around 55K miles under warranty. We now have 3 cars, so I am not sure if I should keep it or return it once the lease is over. What do you guys think?
    My Leganza is on the other hand fully paid for and it is an absolute pleasure to drive.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    it's not a derivative of the Acura RSX, is it? I don't look into the Japanese brands very much, unless they really catch my eye, so I'm not sure which model that is. Is it an Acura sedan, that looks like an overpriced Accord, basically(which is already overpriced!)? I would consider letting the lease expire on the Lanos unless you REALLY are digging it, if the Laeganza's yours and the Acura is your wife's. But that's just me, thinking in terms of saving cash month-to-month. Your report on the timing belt changeout, tensioner, etc. on the Daewoo vehicles made me think of something related to car maintenance and the "car experience after you drive off the lot." A lot of how a person's ownership experience goes is greatly affected by HOW IN-DEPTH YOU WANT TO GO INTO YOUR MANUAL AND YOUR SHOP MANUAL IF YOU HAVE ONE FOR YOUR VEHICLE, ETC. You have to be on top of your car's maintenance situation COMPLETELY. If you do that, you stand a pretty good chance of having a good ownership experience with today's improved-manufacturing methods. But you have to decide that you're not going to let the service schedule's slip and, if you do some of the work yourself, you're going to correctly install parts because you've done your homework and looked up correct specs, etc. That's not to say that something COULDN'T go wrong, but that you are the one responsible for your car's well-being after you drive off the lot. And that's where a lot of people are getting into trouble with their cars mechanically. They're flitting here and flitting there and not taking the time to get to know their cars! Then if they let something go and an entire system breaks down on their car they want to make the manufacturer pay and make everything right for them. It takes a little work and the car's owner has to get involved. Sounds simple but it's true, so very true. You are one that does take the time and that is commendable. My Kia's have been great little cars but they must be maintained adequately. They have treated me right because I treat them right up front. It's a labor of love. There's the point to everything I just said. Glad your Leganza experience is going well, still, jkobty. I like this little Aveo and, although I may never buy one because my wife and I like sitting up higher in our small SUV(Sportage), I'm gonna be following people's Aveo reports throughout the coming months to see how they're doing with them. I suspect they're gonna be solid little troopers.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • jkobty2jkobty2 Posts: 210
    The TSX is basically the European version of the Accord. Or in other words, it is the Accord sold elsewhere in the world. Of course spoofed up for Acura with a great looking interior/suspension package. It is not a bad car overall, but it had so many initial faults that if they happened on a Korean car, everybody would call it crap. But I guess when it is an Acura, then it is ok.
    The brake rotors started scoring and pitting within 2 weeks of ownership. Acura refused to replace them saying this is normal because of the large 17 inch tires allow dirt and stones to get through and affect the rotors. So they blame it on road conditions. The parchment color leather literally wipes off(has already lost its initial dye color and is now a darker shade). It also gets stained by clothes if you wear jeans or black leather, and the stains do not come off no matter how hard you try. I wish its original color was this persistent. I later learned that this is synthetic leather(not from cows), and that they paint it with the color instead of letting it soak in a dye. El Cheapo if you ask me.
    The engine has starting problems if you crank it immediately, you have to place the switch in the start position and wait for the fuel pump a few seconds before cranking(Acura does not want to fix this, they say it is normal). The woodtrim peeled off from the steering wheel, they actually fixed this one and got the steering wheel replaced. The steering was out of alignment (car pulls to the right), they fixed this, but now it is back, I have to complain again. The engine burns oil, as I noticed the oil level decreases noticeably between oil changes, The fuel economy is not as good as my Woos(around 20 mpg).
    The AC leaked water into the cabin because the drain hose was not connected properly(factory problem). and a few other minor issues but you get the gist.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    of calling the Japanese makes "fallible" to say the least. Your post above only reinforces the way I have felt since 1999 when I decided to trade my purple '97 Ford Escort for a Violet Mist 1999 Kia Sephia sedan. I noticed the peppy engine of the Sephia(mated to a 5-speed manual tranny, the Escort had a slushbox)outshined the Ford. Reports like the above really make it hard to believe that the Japanese makes are "superior" to Korean makes. I'll take a Kia, Hyundai and/or GM Daewoo Auto&Tech.Co.(Daewoo)over any Japanese car any day of the week without batting an eyelash. Over.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • brettski1brettski1 Posts: 12
    Well, I had to do it. The Leganza hit 61K miles and I was startin to get nervous about the timing belt. I changed the timing belt, timing belt tensioner, water pump (just cuz), the serpentine drive belt and the hoses. For a shade-tree mechanic like myself, about 10 hours at a leisurely pace....the shop manual helped a bunch. The timing belt I took off was a Gates and it was immaculate; not a crack, split, or fray. The tensioner was great, also. Not a miniscule amount of detectable play. The water pump was the same. The serpentine belt was a Gates; it had numerous cracks at the inside (which is normal) and the rest was in excellent condition. Not looking forward to doing it again at 120K, but I hate going to the dentist, too.
  • Are shop manuals available on the Web? I am interested in a shop manual for 2000 Nubira.
  • frenchcarfrenchcar Posts: 247
    In the past week the daily newsletter from Just Auto.Com has revealed that GMDAT bought the vacant Daewoo assembley plant in India and then went together with Shanghai Auto to purchase the old Daewoo engine plant in China and today announced that VM diesel motor company in Italy (Roger Penske is the Chairman) will build a diesel engine plant next to the main Daewoo plant in South Korea.. The first engines will be ready for the 2006 model year. GM is going to town with the Daewoo purchase. I sat in a Suzuki Forenza today and will drive a Chevy Aveo in the morning as that is a Daewoo Kalos. The Forenza was very nice indeed but sits low compared to the Aveo. Im looking forward to this.
  • FYI... Suzuki Forenza discussion topic is now in the Sedans section (it used to be in "Future Vehicles" section.
  • brettski1brettski1 Posts: 12
    The only place that I run into shop manuals for Daewoos is either a Daewoo dealer (good luck), or E-bay. There was a Daewoo dealer in my area that eventually switched to Suzuki. When I called them, they were able to offer parts for the Leganza, albeit darn expensive. This may be your only other route. For the record, I paid $130 for the shop manuals (2 books about 2-l/2" thick) new from the dealer when I purchased the car....cheap insurance, as I look back now.
    Try:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=246657- 2496&category=6762
  • berniberni Posts: 1
    I have a 20000 Nubira wagon with 15000 miles on it. The engine light comes on about every other day. Any suggestion for cause or repair?
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    Interesting conversation in here on comparing Korean cars to their japanese makes. I am really glad some of you have had great luck with your Kia's. But, there is good reason that Kia came in last place in the J.D Power Initial Quality Survey for 2003. On the flip side, the top rated manufacturer is...you guessed it..Toyota.
  • richsaprichsap Posts: 93
    Berni, I don't have the 20000 model, but on my 2000 model the check engine light came on after about 40,000 miles. The tech at the now defunct Daewoo dealership said it was an external sensor mounted on the engine that was a 'secondary' sensor. Something about it was a redundant sensor that would not cause any problems to let it run like that. Anyway, I purchased the sensor before the dealership (and Daewoo America) folded, but have yet to mount in and I now have over 91,000 miles on the car.

    The sensor is on the left hand side of the engine (as you are facing the car) about 6" below the fuel rail. The wire leading to it travels over the valve cover next to the timing chain cover. According to the tech, this sensor was prone to failure on these engines.

    Good luck with it!
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