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Sports Wagons - The wave of the future?



  • 1997montez341997montez34 Posts: 201
    Very interesting article regarding "new-think" wagons. Thoughts?
  • kurtamaxxguykurtamaxxguy Posts: 677
    Yes I read A3 is quite smaller than Maxx (about 2 ' shorter). Will be interesting to see how it does in IIHS testing (its cousin, the Jetta, did very well in side impact testing - better than the Malibu or most other mid sized cars).

    if anyone here does compare two as driving, etc., will enjoy hearing about it!
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    If you're looking for interior space, the Ford Freestyle would win hands down. It's the only 7 pass among the group.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They missed on one important point - the Magnum is available with AWD yet they tested one without it.

    Someone shopping at a Subaru store is most certainly looking for AWD, so this apples-to-apples would have been a better comparison IMO.

  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    But Lordy, the Magnum is a monster muthah! Is there really a comparison from a driver's perspective? I would think the Legacy would be so much more pleasant to really drive.

    Or am I not in step with the average consumer here?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They so far as admit the Legacy handles better and is more fun to drive. I think they bought into the Hemi marketing hype.

  • 1997montez341997montez34 Posts: 201
    Well, after driving both the turbo Legacy and Magnum RT there is no question which is more fun to drive. It has nothing to do with marketing hype.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Big cars are less fun, we simply don't agree about that one.

  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Ahhhh, but we do!

    Compacts are where it's at.
  • npaladin2000npaladin2000 Posts: 593
    Yeah, that kinda demonstrates how things work in the US vs. other countries.

    Other countries you get a compact with tight suspension, direct steering, and good power. Takes some skill but lots of fun. Pretty much any import manufacturer makes a sport compact. American companies started doing it too, because no one outside the US wants a Camaro.

    In the US, car companies market V8s with marshmallow suspensions, slushy sticks, and wiggly wheels, and call it "performance." Absolutely no skill required. Just glue a rocket to your tail and light it. Just try not to do anything like turn or brake. ;) Thus is the legacy of the Camaro, GTO, Mustang, and Charger.

    The thing is, once you've drived one of the import sporties, it's hard to go back to one of those straight-line, hum-drum tail-rockets. :) Trust me, it's a religious experience realizing what's SUPPOSED to happen when you take a turn fast. :)
  • mayberryguymayberryguy Posts: 145
    There is no way the Magnums can compete with Legacy GT in the handling department. I will take a better all around car any day than one that is only faster in a straight line. The Magnum has to handle like a tank judging from it's size and F/R balance.
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    Well, the legacies of the Camaro, GTO, Mustang and Charger were forged in an era when foreign offerings weren't exactly tremendous alternatives, by and large, either. Yeah, there were imports that handled much better, but mostly had less reliable sewing machines under the hood, and people who actually enjoyed real driving used these and convinced themselves that as a whole they were better. Pretty small minority when you get down to it. Of course there were exceptions, like the E-Type and a few of the Italians, but exceptions they were, IMO.

    The later raping of those names should not be held up in evidence of actual foreign superiority at inception.

    As for today, going straight fast, on a consumer level, indeed takes less thought, sophistication and crafted equipment than real driving, I agree. But with regard to force-fed four-bangers, you can keep 'em, even the best of them. I may not need a Hemi, but four cylinders is still two shy of a real engine in my small, narrow-minded book! :-]

    As for the Magnum, I'm impressed overall with the direction DCX has taken here. Yeah, it's bulky, styled like a truck up front, too big to be seriously fun in the right ways and it's not a car I would ever buy for myself, but it's a great step forward for Dodge and frankly one of the better offerings I've seen of any US marque for its intended purpose.

    I think the comparo is silly at best, though.
  • juswheelsjuswheels Posts: 42
    I'm about to purchase a Maxx - Here's my respectful reasons why:

    I wanted good utility and safety features. An engine with a little energy and good gas mileage - Most who have posted about and rated the Maxx give it good marks for the mileage. It has received the JD Power award for quality and earned top marks, along with the Audi in a side impact crash test.

    This car has 4 wheel anti-lock disk brakes - Side Impact Air Bags - Traction Control - Remote Starter - V-6 - Adjustable Pedals - Great Utility - and all the normal stuff , Stereo, Air Power Windows, Power Locks etc. It rides much quieter than my Taurus and has more pickup. The power is smooth and the tramsnission shifts responsively. With the GM Discount and it still has a $2,000 rebate on top of that - This car, fully equipped, is $19,300 out the door and I think you would have to look quite hard to find a better value.

    I test drove the new G-6. It drove about the same as the Maxx and the styling was better than the Maxx. However the trunk is extremely small and access awkward. To have it equipped with side impact air-bags raises the cost about $2,000 more than the Maxx. Since both are built on the Saab framework, it's hard to justify the additional cost for what is mechanically, the same car.

    I also test drove the Hyundai Santa Fe and Mitsubishi Galant. The Hyundai was OK but is known for poor gas mileage and the handling, although secure was vague and a little sloppy. The brakes also had a slight spongy feel to them.

    The Galant really isn't in the same league with any of the above - It has a tempting warranty but to equip it with a V-6 and Anti-lock Brakes costs thousands more than the others. Anti-lock has to be purchased with an equipment package that contains many add-ons, you may not want and this package is expensive. Actually full side impact air-bags aren't even available on the Galant - There is an option (another equipment package) that gives you a smaller head protection side air-bag but this offers no protection to the torso.

    For me the choice was the Maxx - Very safe car, good handling, good mileage, good quality and a super price. Hard to beat it. Also cost per mile to operate it for 5 years is one penny more than the Accord and equal with the Camry. Just my respectful reasons for choosing the Maxx.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'd pick the Legacy for a curvy road, but the really long wheelbase on the Magnum ought to yeild a pretty comfy highway ride. Haven't driven one so feel free to add your thoughts.

    Maxx prices are great, I recall seeing one with rear DVD entertainment for under $20 grand. You'd probably spend $10 grand more for an SUV with that feature.

    The SS looks better, too.

  • enygma6enygma6 Posts: 35
    I purchases a Magnum RT nearly a year ago, and I do have to agree, it is quite a comfortable highway cruiser. I 'upgraded' from a '97 Impreza Outback Sport at that time, and had the Magnum not come to market, I would have gone for the new Legacy Outback.
    I personally don't need all of the space/power of the Magnum, but it is fun to have at times. It was the exterior styling that really caught my eye and had me watching and waiting for the Magnum since seeing pictures of the concept car a year earlier.
    While I did give up some of the fun on twisty roads with the Impreza, the Magnum is definitely more comfortable when relaxed driving is called for, and it can still hold it's own when needed. It's also much quieter at highway speeds as well (~2,000rpm at 70mph -- a definite advantage of the V8), and the gas mileage isn't much lower than what I had been getting with the Impreza.
    It does weigh almost 1.5 times as much, but with 2.5 times the horsepower, the Magnum is no slouch (no marshmallow suspension, either -- this was a key item I had to check in the test drive). The weight and RWD configuration (I didn't wait for AWD) definitely do cut into the handling a bit (lots of mass = lots of momentum), so I have to take it a bit easier on the twisties, but it's definitely cruising in style.
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    "2.5 times the horsepower"

    Let's look

    WRX Sti 300 -> 750
    Legacy GT 250 -> 625

    I do not think that Magnum R/T has that much power. Even Viper might have problems.

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,893
    he said 2.5 times the power of his impreza, NOT an STi or Legacy GT.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    I thought he is comparing Magnum with new cars not old one.

  • 1997montez341997montez34 Posts: 201
    137hp x 2.5 = 342hp. The Magnum has 340, so we'll spot him the 2hp.

    Don't forget 390 lb. ft. of torque to move you out quite smartly.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The 2006s have 173hp in the base engine now, not bad for starters. It's a light/small car.

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