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ford f350 vs. chevy silverado 3500

modellfarmsmodellfarms Posts: 3
edited March 5 in Ford
i want to purchase a one ton dual wheel truck to pull a 40ft four horse trailer with 17foot living quarters weighing about 9600lbs without horses. the trailer people say to buy ford f350. of course, that is all you see horse people pulling with is the ford. in edmunds it says pick the truck that fits your needs and pulling a heavy load is mine. its says chevy outweighs ford and dodge when it comes to power and towing capacity. i would like any opinions in comparing 2002 chevy silv. LT 4dr crew dual wheel long bed diesel with the 2002 ford lariat super duty 4dr crew long bed dual wheel diesel. i just keep hearing bad things about chevy

look forward to any opionions.
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  • modvptnlmodvptnl Posts: 1,352
    All Ford 250 and 350 trucks are 20,000 pounds TOTAL. I THINK Chevy is 22,000.

    Factor in a 10K trailer + 6K in horses + 6-7K in truck and you're over the one ton truck limits WITHOUT passengers, fuel, luggage etc.

    My suggestion is Ford's F550 on up. Don't know GM's offerings for that kind of load.
  • The next horse show you go to take a drive around the barn and look at all the other trucks that are hooked up to horse trailors and I'm sure you will see a lot more FORD trucks then you will Chevy. Thats the real survey I used when I bought my FORD truck, except I'm into race cars not race horses. It's surprising how many guys race a Chevy car and pull it with a FORD truck.
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    that's all I got to say about that.
    kip
  • xyz71xyz71 Posts: 179
    Chevy did not have much to compete with Ford Superduty trucks until the new Silverado HD. I would look at both - take a long test drive and make my own decision. Why not wait until Dodge updates the 2500/3500 Ram and compare all three. The reviews on the Ram 1500 have been great. Ford may finally have some competition.
  • I agree with VW. Take a cruise around the horse shows to see what everyone else is driving. The vast majority will be Fords, followed by Dodges, then a distant third will be Chevys. I'm an RV'er. Most of the larger rv's are pulled by Fords, that's how I made my decision.

    '99 F-350 XLT SC DRW PSD 6-speed w/3.73 gears - 100k so far and love it!
  • v12powerv12power Posts: 174
    I have a '99 F350 diesel and a '01 2500HD duramax/allison. I have had far fewer problems with the 160k mile Ford than the 40k mile Chevy. Besides regardless of manufacturers ratings the Ford out pulls the Chevy. I tow max gvw loads daily with these trucks. If you need a nice car/truck the chev is quieter and more comfortable. If you intend to use it as a truck buy the Ford, it is much more HD IMO.
  • You've got the Chevys figured out. They are great to run up and down the road, but you put a load in/behind one and they are not worth squat.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    you see alot of Fords around the horse shows is the crew cab. Dodge doesn't have one and horse people need to haul lots of people too. In the past the Chevys weren't used because they didn't have anything under the hood. I'm pulling a 35' 4horse with 12' living quarters (dry weighs 8500) with a Ram. I've pulled this with 4 horses and load and it handles it. The Fords can pull that as our trainer regularly pulled a 35' 6-horse with dressing rooms and the F-350 did the job. They work pretty hard with 16K behind them, but they'll do it, especially with some select tuning. The Ford is more of a "speed" motor for folks that like to tow 12,000# at 80mph. The Cummins will chug along 65mph and get similar mpg wether it's 12,000# or 16,000#. The Ford will slow down quicker and suck more gas with the big loads. That trainer has now switched over to a Cat powered Freightliner single axle mainly in order to haul more people. Now he gets about 6mpg, but it tows it like nothing and no more totally cramped 500 mile trips.

    If I had to chose between the Ford and Chevy it would be the Ford. Maybe in 5 years after you see some Chevys with 200K and the problems ironed out I'd rethink it. Just too much past info available on the Ford and Dodge to venture into unknown territory.
  • ak4x4ak4x4 Posts: 126
    I would buy the Dodge 3500.

    I don't want to get stuck when the Allison goes out. And Ford is just that a ford. But there are alot more Fords out there. U can get an older 350 dually for around 8 grand. That might be a good solution for ya.

    And you still get the same powerstroke as the new one. Talking about 94-96 model year..
  • v12powerv12power Posts: 174
    So why would you buy the Dodge? If you need the 4x4 prepare to be working on the fronts suspension and brakes. They have problems.

    The Powerstrokes prior to '99 are NOT the same. The entire FI system is different as well as the power output.

    The allisons have not been failing any more often that the Ford or Dodge auto trannys, probably much less.

    "And Ford is just that, a Ford." That statement shows true intelligence. Glad you could give us an opinion based on facts and expereience.
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    kip
  • I used to think a powerstroke was a powerstroke untill I drove a '96 model, I have a '99. I had to pop the hood just to check if the turbo was still there. Daylight and dark!!!!!
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    agree. And then try to get the thing to start during the winter. Made me buy my first cummins years back, and know I just don't like anything else even with the much improved powerstrokes. Just a different kind of power I guess.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Posts: 1,583
    Read the March Motor Trend. The Tundra outhauled and outbraked the Chev 1500HD. This is basically the same truck as the 3500.

    Motor Trend described the brakes as "scary" when the 1500HD was only loaded with 1000lb. WIMPY!
    It does make a good grocery getter.

    Can you imagine getting a duramin diesel and being limited to hauling 1000lb because of the cheap, wimpy brakes Chev crippled their "HD?" trucks with.

    Get a Ford or a Dodge - you will get MUCH more truck for your money.
  • ryanbabryanbab Posts: 7,240
    "This is basically the same truck as the 3500. "

    Ok this is getting ridiculous now
  • The trucks we are discussing here aren't even distant cousins to the 1500HD that you seem to be preoccupied with. The trucks we drive could carry two of your "overgrown car with big tires" Tundra on their back and never once complain. I would love to put my DRW F-350 up against your Tundra anyday to see who could outbreak who, empty, with 1,000 lbs or even 3,000 lbs. Ooopps! I'm sorry, your truck wouldn't even be able to get started with that kind of load.
  • ryanbabryanbab Posts: 7,240
    ill pay to see it. Hook em up bumper to bumpper. haha
  • bamatundrabamatundra Posts: 1,583
    I know that you are going to find this hard to believe but that wimpy 1500HD is just a rebadged 3/4 ton. The Chev 3500 has the SAME weak brakes as the 1500HD.

    Let's face it - as long as the Chev owners keep their loads limited to a couple of bags of groceries they MAY be alright. Don't try to work them though.

    I personally think that the Ford F350 is a fine truck, in fact I suggested that people buy the Ford in an earlier post. That way they will get a heavy duty truck that isn't just heavy duty in name only like the Chevs.

    Any time a 1/2ton truck such as the Tundra can outperform a Chev "HD" truck when loaded with just 1000lb, you got to wonder how Chev got the nerve to call their weak trucks "HD".
  • "Unfortunately, we can't tell you that our Sierra's brakes performed without a hitch, as several drivers had harrowing experiences with a thing called premature ABS activation."

    "Under normal driving conditions, the truck stops confidently, and the pedal has a solid feel. But, if you try to stop suddenly, the weight transfers to the front end, and the rear end lightens up. This can lead to what I consider premature ABS activation, especially if the road surface is at all bumpy. This results in a pulsing through the pedal and a near disappearance of stopping power. Very disconcerting."

    "Since we were aware of the overeager ABS system (and regularly drove the Sierra with an empty bed and cab), editors planned for it and allowed themselves plenty of space between the truck and vehicles ahead. However, the system frequently surprised us anyway by engaging in instances where it clearly wasn't needed and lengthening stopping distances."

    "My exit off the San Diego Freeway (I-405) was re-paved one weekend," Senior Editor Christian Wardlaw wrote. "On Monday morning, as I descended the ramp to Santa Monica Boulevard, the Sierra traversed the spot where the fresh blacktop of the ramp met the old concrete of the service drive. A new, insignificant bump at this juncture sent the Sierra's ABS into spasms, nearly hurtling me headlong into a Toyota slowing to a stop in front of me."

    "Technology Editor Scott Memmer had a similar experience: "...Coming down a grade into an intersection in Glendale, Calif., the ABS grabbed suddenly and inexplicably — and this while traveling less than 20 miles per hour!"

    --------------------------------------------------

    Just gotta love those wonderful 4 wheel disk brakes on those Chevys!

    NOW, imagine this truck going down the exit ramp actually towing or hauling a load. Can you say DISASTER?

    The ONLY big American truck I would consider buying would be a Ford with the PSD. I really think GMC has lost it, especially recently. Consider yourself lucky if you buy a new GMC that doesn't knock, shake, or have a faulty transmission. Some of the posters here have 2 or all 3 of these problems, all in one truck! Imagine having an engine that knocks, then a transmission which doesn't work, on a truck that doesn't stop.

    My vote goes to the F-250 or 350 with the diesel.
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    The wonderful Allison transmission is what has ME pissed off.I have to admit,I have the worst one I've heard of,but for GM to bring this product to market without having the bugs worked out is inexcusable.
    But the original ? was about F350 vs 3500HD both with diesel,and while I agree with pluto about GM's quality issues I don't think the F350 is enough truck for modelfarms' intended use.
    F450 at the minimum and for the money I'm still partial to the Freightliner.
    kip
  • I don't recall modelfarm's question so I can't comment. Didn't you also say in an earlier post your truck is knocking as well and that you will take GM to court if they only offer you an upgraded warranty for that problem? I'm not trying to stir up trouble here. I don't think anybody (except for obyone!) deserves those kinds of problems after spending their hard-earned money on a truck and I sincerely hope this all works out in your favor at the end.

    The only American trucks that ever impressed me were the Ford Power Stroke Diesels. If I needed a big truck, this would be the one for me, especially with the manual transmission. They seem like a good, solid truck. But no way, no how would my money ever go to GM.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Posts: 1,352
    "sniff" will you guys quit picking on us "sniff" and go back to your toy "whine" forums...!!!

    Pluto, YOU'RE KILLING ME!!!!!! read the ORIGINAL, FIRST, NUMERO UNO post of this topic!!! How can you not recall what modelfarm's question is??? It's what the WHOLE topic is about.

    If this isn't proof that toy boys just jump in to topics to start crap.....I don'tknow what is.
  • but my posts have much more to do with the topic than your little temper tantrum.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Posts: 1,352
    considering you didn't even know what the topic was about!!!
  • and unlike you, I didn't have to go to the "numero uno" post to figure that out...you see, if you use that little scroll bar to the right of your screen, you can scroll up and see the title of the thread...
  • jcmdiejcmdie Posts: 595
    Bringing the Tundra up in this topic is off topic. Bama let's not get another tudra/chevy war going and another topic shot to hell.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Posts: 1,352
    you are that stubborn and self important to start an argument about something so trivial.
    Unless you storm into a topic half baked, not knowing what the subject is being discussed......actually, that would explain a lot of things. LOL!!

    The author of the thread asked the original question. In other words, the topic IS the 1st post ie: original question.

    I can't wait for you to start a topic and tell you that's not what you mean.
  • of the thread is F350 vs. Chevy Silverado 3500. I posted information which pertains to this topic. To wit: specific information taken from reputable sources regarding the Chevy's poor braking performance. This could and should be a factor which influences a potential buyer. Perhaps your reading comprehension and reasoning skills need a little work...

    I find your allegation that I jump into topics "half-baked" rather amusing. I don't "get baked" for many reasons, one of which would be losing my career.

    Maybe you can enlighten us all on how braking performance shouldn't be considered when buying a pick-up, especially when it is as poor (or even downright dangerous) as the Chevy's.
  • kg11kg11 Posts: 530
    In post #22 you precisely recaped the problems I've described over the past 2 months with my GMC.I bought the 3/4 ton to tow a 7000lb boat,something any 1/2 ton v8 PU can do.I wanted a bigger engine and brakes than available in a 1/2 ton.I don't have a problem getting on the freeway OR STOPPING when I need to but as for quality,you're right and I find out tomorrow if they're buying it back without a fight.Most people LOVE the Allison AND the Duramax,but if I was buying a truck with an auto trans to tow a 16000+ lb trailer it wouldn't be a ford or chevy.The 6 spd would work for the ford and surprisingly I still like the Allison, but as I stated in post #4 medium duty is the obvious choice.
    kip
  • Good luck tomorrow with the folks from GM. If they do buy it back, will you buy another truck?
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