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VW Touareg SUV



  • elemintelemint Posts: 79
    Bottom like is the more options you put on the car the more the dealer and the manufacturer will make off you. Do you think it cost $5k more to manufacture a v8 over a v6? No way. I consider cars to be nothing more than a tool. No need for a $50 hammer when a $5 one will do the job. I do like a nice tool but am baffled by excess, but i guess thats what the car business thrives on. One more thing, I am harder on cars than 99.9% of drivers. That being said i have gone more places around the world with crappy front wheel drives and have rarely had serious problems, ie logging roads etc. After all the worst car on the road today is better than the best car 50 years ago and the roads were worse. Just something to remember. Good Luck and dont be an emotional buyer.....
  • ace234ace234 Posts: 2
    Really like the power of the V8 after having an under powered Blazer. Sure hope I can get used to the jumpy gas pedal on take off. Lots of electronic stuff to get used to. Never had such a detailed and "fat" owners manual.
  • I am in total agreement with jd1318 on his analysis of the Touareg V8 engine. I would not have purchased the T-reg without the V8. the truck with a six is a real dog. I barely had enough power in the V8 Jeep Grand Cherokee that I just moved up from. The V8 is really smooth although,it too, could use a little more torque.Every thing else on the T-reg is working just fine,especially those rain sensitive wipers!!
  • elemintelemint Posts: 79
    Its all in your head, unless you are pulling a large boat. Millions of people in europe are driving cars with engines smaller than 1 liter and they drive faster than here. Tje fact that v8's still even exist is beyond me.
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    That is why Honda Civic's and Corolla's are made. For people that think of cars as appliances and nothing more. From the invention of the automobile, people have made car purchases based on emotion. Making a car purchase soley on emotion is never a good idea. But, to say "don't be an emotional buyer" is a totally foreign concept to me. Most of the participants on this board LOVE cars for many reasons. One of them being the emotional feeling one gets from buying and driving the car that "fits" them best.

    Again, those who don't view cars as extensions of themselves and look at a Porsche or Ferrari and shake their heads in disbelief tend to drive Camry's or Civics. These are "nice" cars, but tend to lack passion and emotion.

    Enjoy your ride in whatever you drive...
  • jd1318jd1318 Posts: 7
    i was far from being an emotional buyer. when i went shopping for my current vehicle i had a specific list of what i wanted. i wanted a mid size suv. it had to have a v8, all or 4 wheel drive, independent rear suspension for good ride quality, leather, sunroof, xenon headlights, decent rear seat and cargo space, and a good tow rating. my only other requirement is i didn't want to spend much more than $40k.

    the only vehicle made on the planet that has all that for anything close to $40k is the treg. it's about $10k cheaper than any comparably equipped vehicle and nothing else has near the towing capacity.

    my treg is not loaded with options. it has a v8, xenons, and sound system 1. everything else on my list of wants was either standard or came in the v8 package. i paid $39715, just what i was looking for.

    and again it's not $5k for just a v8. the premium package on the v6 which gives you all the interior upgrades that are on the v8 like leather, 12 way power lumbar seats, wood trim, heated+folding mirrors, etc costs $2300. if you allow just $700 for the 18" wheels and tire upgrade, which are not an option on the v6, that means they are really only charging about $2k for that audi engine. and yes i do think it might cost around $2k more for them to produce that v8 over the v6.

    if i have to spend a couple hours a day in a vehicle for the rest of my life. it's worth it to me to buy vehicles that will improve my quality of life, not appliances that would drag it down.

    i respect your position about you choice of transportation, and hope i helped you to understand and respect mine.
  • Perhaps VW's are tools -- to someone. But even the least expensive Touareg is, for most of us, not a tool, or at least not first and foremost a tool.

    I read and participate is several of these town halls, and while everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, I must -- while respecting your right to your opinion -- suggest that folks who participate in these Internet discussions are generlaly quite passionate about their cars. Indeed, even the folks who are driving far more pedestrian cars consider them a source of fun, pride perhaps, lust in some cases and, yes, transportation.

    The V8 Touareg is, by virtually any measure, appropriately priced over the the V6 -- and by some measures it is a steal. You, sometimes, get what you pay for.

    Some folks here disagree [with me] but overall, I find VW builds cars that are bargains (and that includes the Phaeton and Touareg and Passat W8.) I know there are dealer and quality control issues that are repeated here often. I do not disagree with these folks.

    I do, however, believe that VW engineers mostly great cars and they are worth what they ask for them!
  • spockcatspockcat Posts: 100
    If you do not believe me check out this Euro price comparison I found on a German language forum:
  • elemintelemint Posts: 79
    Looks like one can get a v6 for about $33k and from what i see a v8 is $40k. That is the bottom line... If they did not MAKE you buy leather etc maybe the v8 would be about $36 but that is the trick, they want you to feel the v8 is a premium so you pay for it. Sort of like dealer installed options. Dont take any of this personal, i just dont like "marketing games". BTW i was looking to see what it would cost to replace the tires on the touareg. I could only find 2 tires that would work and they were $200 each for low quality tires!!! Why did vw go non-standard??? Anyone thinking of changing wheels to get around this to get better/lower cost tires?
  • spockcatspockcat Posts: 100
    First the easy part: The V8 Touareg uses 255/55 R18 tires. Tirerack has some for $98 each. The V6 uses 255/60 R17 tires. Tirerack has some for $121 each.

    As for leather coming standard in the V8, most people who spend nearly $40k for a vehicle want leather. Considering that the car is made in Europe and the delivery time is much longer than a US made car, it makes little sense to basically double the inventory requirements of V8 models by giving the buyer the choice of leather or vinyl.
  • roweerowee Posts: 21
    Thanks to spockcat we can all see very clearly that my argument against American consumer opting for the V-6 was right all along. European price charts (ms g.#1687) support the concept that buying the v-6 in the u. s. is a financed mistake.
    The T-reg v-6 is very sluggish with torque well below the minimum required. American consumer will pay for the v-8 as much as we pay for the v-6. So why would the u. s. market even consider the v-6 as an option?
    And for diesel lovers; my advice is wait for the super car; THE V-10(and you will be paying the price of a European V-8)
  • . . .here it comes: overpriced -- relative to the content of the V8, the V6 is 1 mpg better in gas milage and, well, frankly a false economy.

    I can hardly wait for the cries for my head after saying this; but, so long as you know that I am only "mostly" serious and I find neither fault nor have predjudice if you decided to go that way.

    It just seems to me that you get so much more with the V8 version. My friend, who just bought a new X5 3.0 (which was just south of $50K and didn't even have sat nav) looked at the Touareg and claims he would've bought the V8 version if it wasn't a first year model and if it had come with "free" maintenance like the bimmer.

    A 6 cylinder X5 for the price of the V8 Touareg. . .indeed he said it was his favorite and the "dealer and first year scare" actually kept him from buying.

    Ok, now tell me why the V8 isn't the better value, as I contend.

    I grant the V6 is lower price and that may make "affordability" the issue you will discuss -- but, assuming you have the wherewithall to acquire the V8, why -- other than the lower cash outlay -- would you not go for the "bargain" version (the V8).

    Bring on your counterpoints, ladies and gentlemen.
  • spockcatspockcat Posts: 100
    That "free" maintenance your friend got on his X5 wasn't free. He paid for it upfront in the price of the car. After 10k miles I have put out under $200 for maintenance for my V8 Touareg. That is two complete oil changes with 8 quarts of Mobil 1 each time, topped up fluids, a general inspection and a tire rotation.
  • roweerowee Posts: 21
    Previous participants stress mpg, equipment etc. and those are good valid reasons to stay away from the v-6(in Europe consumers who made a v-6 purchase are trying to get the v-8 instead)but the factor to be most considered when buying a car is the power(not neccesary the size) of the Engine. The v-6, while performing excellent on ather VW cars(Passat, Golf) sucks on the T-Reg. So that factor on its own should keep potential buyers, in any market,away from it.(The Europeans go for the 2.5TDI or the V-8)
  • spockcatspockcat Posts: 100
    I think that Europeans choose their cars based on tax reasons. Either high fuel tax forcing them to buy something with lower consumption or high tax based on engine size or power. Different countries tax vehicles in different manners. Taxes in the US do not change based on engine size or power. They pretty much go based on the value of the car. Fuels taxes are also quite low compared to European countries. So buying a V8 touareg versus a V6 Touareg makes little difference in the taxes or fuel consumption. It is just the cost of the engine and the added options VW puts in the V8.
  • mmee1mmee1 Posts: 19
    Didn't need it. With all due respect to the eloquent argument in #1693 "The", I didn't spend an extra (insert your thousands of dollars here) because I didn't need it. The V6 comfortably cruises up to 7000 ft at 10 to 20 mph above the speed limit (about my personal limit) just fine. I'm not pulling a Gulf stream, I'm not entering the Baja with it, and I'm not looking impress my neighbors with "top of the line". Why would I buy more than I need? Because it's a "deal"? I'll spend my "deal" on a new plasma. Now that I do need.

    BTW, the V8 comes with 18" inch wheels which Consumer Reports (Jan, 04) tested as having a 15% drop off in on snow performance over the 17". I didn't need that either.
  • elemintelemint Posts: 79
    I agree with you. Besides as far as i know the v6 has a history to back it up. I dont thing the V8 does. I remember when my friend was telling me how he was smart to get the 3.8 liter over the 3.0 in his ford tauras. Well the "HOT" 3.8 SHO turned out to be one of the worst engines ford ever made. Buyer beware...
  • IF mr elemint in post #1696 had done just a little homework,he would know that the V8 engine is a proven and well tested engine that has been,in a nearly identical form, in the Audi A8 luxury sedan for several years. That being said, if he is happy with less power,etc,good for him! Just leaves more of the V8s for those of us who demand more!
  • I bought my first 4.2 V8 equipped car in 1996, in a brand new 1997 Audi A8, since then I have enjoyed the 4.2 engine in a 2000 Audi A6 and a 2001 A6 sport. This engine is makes the sweeeetest sounds of any car engine I have ever owned.

    There is nothing wrong with the V6 -- some people have decried its lack of power (compared to the V8 and the diesel), but I don't recall it being accused of a lack of refinement. Other valid observations include its thirsty ways, again when compared with the (US only) only other option we have, again the V8.

    My comments pertain to content for $$. They are, in that respect, price independent. The only reason to choose the V6, then, is price or monthly payment. I can only wonder if the V6 and the V8 had the same price, if anyone would still choose the V6 (considering the two engines are only 1 mpg apart).

    To say that you don't want a V8 is a fair comment and certainly doesn't make one a bad person or ill-informed or nuts in any way. But, I suspect the main reason for the V6's even being offered in the US is to make sure there was a "low priced" offering.

    The fact that apparently some folks find them unsatisfying and that others, like me, find them (the V6's that is) to be "less for the money" and that still others simply say the V6 is the right price probably confirms the wisdom of VW's decision to bring these two to market.

    Simply put, it would stick in my craw that I didn't get as good of a deal or as high a value for my bucks if I purchased the V6 over the V8.

    To each his/her own.

    Please, only those who would buy the V6 over the V8 -- if they were priced the same -- need respond (to this point of view). I already understand the point of view of those who for whatever reason chose lower price over higher price (and, IMHO, higher value.)
  • mmee1mmee1 Posts: 19
    I don't get it. "buy the V6 over the V8 --if they were priced the same"? They are not. I'd buy a Ferrari over the Touareg-- if they were priced the same.

    I'm only saying the V6 meets my needs. I'm sure the 8 is great. Someone who "demands more" should definitely put a few extra thousand into their Touareg. They will love that one too.

    I bought the 6. It does everything I need it to do. For me, why would I pay for something I don't need? I'll put the money I save in Ebay stock and see if I can create some "higher value" that way.
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