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Mercedes-Benz SL and SLK (all models)

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  • whothemanwhotheman Posts: 169
    I was beginning to worry about you, Merc.

    I'd rather have a M3 over the 5, though.
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    I agree that anyone who drives an automatic in a high performance car is missing something wonderful from the driving experience. Unfortunately, I live in a city and spend most of my time driving 20 mph from one stop light to the next and at 50 years old, have grown tired of shifting. What is an old guy to do? I suppose the tiptronic and SMG's were invented for us.

    I recently purchased a Mini Cooper S, which only comes with a six speed. It is fun and reminds me of something I have lost from my driving experience in my automatic equipped vehicles. But I must admit, after two weeks of ownership, I am tired of shifting and will probably flip the car.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Fair enough - besides, I now apparantly have a minor slipped disk and would have had a tough time on the golf course. Hopefully, it won't degenerate to the point I need to get an automatic myself! Have a good weekend.
  • whothemanwhotheman Posts: 169
    and drive a stick!
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    Autoweek confirms that the next E-55 will have the supercharged V-8 but the horsepower output is down from the SL55. Also, factory reported 0-60 times for the E-55 are two tenths of a second slower than the SL55. I wonder how this could be since the E55 must be at least 500 pounds lighter?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I hope they haven't changed anything on purpose to make the E55 slower, because I don't see the big deal if it's faster than the SL55. The E55 should be awfully close to 4 secs 0-60.

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    It could be one of several things. The E55 may not have the same traction, resulting in a little more wheelspin. There might be more drivetrain loss in the E55 due to its (presumably) longer wheelbase. Lastly Mercedes may very well have tuned the gear ratios on the transmission to emphasize low end grunt on the SL55 and high end grunt on the E55.
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    I hope to have an SL55 before the end of this year. The Autoweek article seem subdued. Maybe the reviewers are getting jaded by all the powerful cars arriving lately- Audi RS6, Phaeton, Porsche 911 Turbo X-10, and so on.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Your first two reasons are highly unlikely, Mercedes' usually don't have traction issues and their wheelbases aren't a factor. The gear ratio theory is most likely the reason.

    shoes,

    What the hell do you do?

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    "Your first two reasons are highly unlikely, Mercedes' usually don't have traction issues and their wheelbases aren't a factor. The gear ratio theory is most likely the reason."

    Pardon me? Please name a SINGLE non-AWD vehicle with more than 250hp that doesn't have serious traction issues when doing best-time launches... when you start to talk about 4-second 0-60 vehicles, controlling wheelspin means *everything*.

    And yes, the wheelbase is a factor insofar as there is parasitic drivetrain loss in a front engine, rear-drive vehicle within the driveshaft. The impact is probably marginal, but it is there. For all we know, the SL uses a lighter, shorter, lower-friction driveshaft that saps less engine power than the longer, heavier driveshaft from the midsize sedan.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Such endless, pointless theories. For all we know this and for all we know that. Gee whiz..

    "Please name a SINGLE non-AWD vehicle with more than 250hp that doesn't have serious traction issues when doing best-time launches... when you start to talk about 4-second 0-60 vehicles, controlling wheelspin means *everything*."

    Why would any carmaker publish a slower 0-60 figure based on seconds lost due to wheelspin? Lawd you can't really be that niave. And your wheelbase theory is about as weak, at a 3.6 inch difference between the two cars. Gearing, gearing and a slight hp difference!

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    "you can't really be that niave."

    Please lay off the personal attacks. Thank you.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Not a personal attack at all, but some of things you come up with I'd have to think you're joking because of their level of ridiculousness.

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    From now on I'll listen to you. Hang on a sec while I tell Mercedes that they can now start using identical rubber on all their vehicles by corrolary of Merc's Law of traction.

    Poor Einstein, smart guy but with you here rewriting the laws of the universe, who needs him.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yet you still try to come up with yet another theory long after the horse is dead. Now it's the tires right? Do you even know what kind/brand etc of tires AMG cars use? Keep proving me right.

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    No, you tell me what tires are used. You're the one telling me that these two very different cars with very different weight balance and axle-level dynamics have identical traction characteristics because you seem to think that your holy Mercedes cannot possibly be confined to the laws of physics that all other marques are held to.

    Go ahead Merc1, prove it. What else can Mercedes do that nobody else can do? Turn invisible? Travel faster than the speed of light? I'm curious as to what other stories a fanatic can make up to prop his favorite brand.... but let me make some popcorn first....
  • whothemanwhotheman Posts: 169
    Simon, from "American Idol"? There's a call holding for you on line 2.

    whotheman
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    You easily get the "Most Ridiculous Poster" award. You always come up with these left-field guesses and then get sarcastic when they are challenged or even question. You hardly ever make any sense, espeically when it comes to a luxury car discussion. End.

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I'm sorry, I must have missed something, but what does that have to do with your assertion that the SL55 and E55 have identical traction characteristics on launch? Is this something you read in a magazine blurb? I'm still waiting but take your time, I have plenty of popcorn.

    Oh, and what brand/model/grip rating tires do these two vehicles use? You write like you know, so maybe you can clue me in. Thanks again.

    And for the record, I've backed up everything I've said while you've gotten snippy and sarcastic and defensive. Chill out Merc, it's just a car, not your unborn child we're talking about!! Yes, the SL55 could well be using a much lighter low friction driveshaft, given its shorter wheelbase and higher price point. Yes, differences in weight distribution, camber, center of gravity (which affects lateral stresses on the axle, impacting force distribution at the contact patch of the tires) and many other factors can and probably do result in somewhat different amounts of traction for the two cars on aggressive launches. Yes, the gearing is probably somewhat different. I've offered three perfectly reasonable explanations for why there might be a ZERO POINT TWO second difference on 0-60 times, and all you've done is whine whine whine. Instead of continuing whining, why don't you offer some explanations, facts, theories, ANYTHING of your own, rather than trying to pick a fight because someone suggested that a Mercedes might have wheelspin? Heck, some manufacturers intentionally brake-torque to force wheelspin to get their best auto tranny 0-60 times!! And you call ME naive!!
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    When did I ever say the SL55 and E55 "have identical traction characteristics on launch"?
    Even better question....why am I wasting my time(?)

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    "When did I ever say the SL55 and E55 "have identical traction characteristics on launch"?"

    I said: wheelspin might be a factor.

    You said: Mercedes cars don't have any wheelspin.

    Therefore, all Mercedes have identical wheelspin (namely none) regardless of launch method, engine, car design, etc., and I think it fairly follows that since all Mercedes apparently put down infinite gs on the skidpad in order to accomplish this incredible feat, we might as well say that they all Mercedes have the same (namely, infinite) traction.

    Laws of physics? Who needs them when we've got Merc1 and AMG!

    "Even better question....why am I wasting my time(?)"

    Because you're a zealot. You can't help it.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Ok now you're going to tell me what I said right. If you got that "Mercedes' don't have any wheelspin" from what I said you need help. Keep up the idiotic coments.

    M
  • Guys.. Guys.. gentlemen.. I'm not a mechanical engineer so I don't know which of you is right. All I know is I own both the 2002 S500 with AMG Sport Package and the 2003 SL500 with the same. All the toys...distronic, tire pressure monitor, parktronic, keyless go, yada yada yada. I'm just happy and feel blessed to be the owner of two of the world's greatest examples of automotive engineering for any price. I also have the Lexus GS300 ( 1999 ) and I still get a kick out of driving that. Not as responsive as the Benz or BMW's ( I don't own a beemer ) but still a great car. I've thought of going out and buying the new BMW 745Li. For years on these boards I've argued with BMW owners and thought they were all on prozac to say " you have to drive one to understand " Well it turns out, they're right. My point is this. If one is fortunate enough to own any of these vehicles, anywhere in the world. Then you're blessed. Life is short. It's challenging, yet wonderful. No need to be right all the time, or to play the mine is bigger than yours game. If you drive anything over 80-100 k.. then you understand that it comes down to personal choice and what pleases you.. not what others think..
  • benznutbenznut Posts: 104
    You have my dream garage: an S and a SL, both sport. The onely thing I would change on both of them is the engine size. Twin-Turbo V12 in both of them.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    If it does, I suspect it will give the Lexus SC430 a lot more competition. I've ridden in both the SL500 and SC430 and I would gladly trade down from a Lexus V8 to a Mercedes V6 in order to get the driving dynamics of the SL over the SC. At roughly the same price(?) it would be a no-brainer for me. For those that prefer supple luxury, the SC430 will probably still fare well.
  • What are comments regarding dealers and individuals increasing the MSRP by $50,000.00.
    I would like to buy an SL55, however, refuse to get into a bidding war with dealers and individuals who order, wait for delivery and auction at higher prices. Please provide feedback on this topic.
    Also, can anyone advise the planned number of units to be supplied?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah it would be nice to have a SL350, but MBUSA has been run away from selling anything S/SL-Class cars with only a "6" cylinder engine. I really don't understand why, the SL320 and the especially the S320 were good sellers here. It would give more people a chance to experience an S-Class (S350) and SL (SL350), those who don't have to have all the hp.

    hstei,

    The SL55's here are going for 185K without even so much as an eyeblink from the salesman.

    M
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Unfortunately, I think you are at the mercy of capitalism when it comes to trying to get an SL55 at this late date. I have a business associate who is due to take delivery of one shortly at MSRP. But he has purchased several high end Mercedes in the past and immediately put up a deposit on the SL55 when word of it first came out (at least a year ago). He also owns a 2001 Ferrari 360 that he got at MSRP with a similar advanced deposit.

    With high end limited production cars you have three choices: (1) get in 1-2 years in advance with a substantial deposit, (2) wait until they first arrive and pay a substantial premium, (3)or wait 1-2+ years for the hype and price to return to reality.

    I was too slow to do (1), refused to do (2), so ended up doing (3) when purchasing a 2002 M5 this spring. I question those who paid a $20k premium to have the privalege of driving one 6-12 months in advance of me.

    As for my associate, he has already been offered upwards of $40k cash not to take his SL55. His position is the same as with the 360. He doesn't want to make money by "flipping" a car, he just doesn't want to pay a premium to drive one.
  • EPN2,thanks for comment regarding capitalism. Understood. I too, am a capitalist and am following your strategy. Just this past week the dealer had two new units received, marked "SOLD" and said he would call me after negotiations were
    completed on trade-in with the customers who had ordered and placed deposits. In August the dealer in Atlantic City had five units on the lot asking a $10,000.00 premium. I looked at him and turned around and left. These were SL 500s.
    More of us in the market need to exercise our power and refuse the dealer and criticize the manufacturer.
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