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Mercedes-Benz SL and SLK (all models)

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  • whothemanwhotheman Posts: 169
    I was beginning to worry about you, Merc.

    I'd rather have a M3 over the 5, though.
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    I agree that anyone who drives an automatic in a high performance car is missing something wonderful from the driving experience. Unfortunately, I live in a city and spend most of my time driving 20 mph from one stop light to the next and at 50 years old, have grown tired of shifting. What is an old guy to do? I suppose the tiptronic and SMG's were invented for us.

    I recently purchased a Mini Cooper S, which only comes with a six speed. It is fun and reminds me of something I have lost from my driving experience in my automatic equipped vehicles. But I must admit, after two weeks of ownership, I am tired of shifting and will probably flip the car.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Fair enough - besides, I now apparantly have a minor slipped disk and would have had a tough time on the golf course. Hopefully, it won't degenerate to the point I need to get an automatic myself! Have a good weekend.
  • whothemanwhotheman Posts: 169
    and drive a stick!
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    Autoweek confirms that the next E-55 will have the supercharged V-8 but the horsepower output is down from the SL55. Also, factory reported 0-60 times for the E-55 are two tenths of a second slower than the SL55. I wonder how this could be since the E55 must be at least 500 pounds lighter?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I hope they haven't changed anything on purpose to make the E55 slower, because I don't see the big deal if it's faster than the SL55. The E55 should be awfully close to 4 secs 0-60.

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    It could be one of several things. The E55 may not have the same traction, resulting in a little more wheelspin. There might be more drivetrain loss in the E55 due to its (presumably) longer wheelbase. Lastly Mercedes may very well have tuned the gear ratios on the transmission to emphasize low end grunt on the SL55 and high end grunt on the E55.
  • shoesshoes Posts: 131
    I hope to have an SL55 before the end of this year. The Autoweek article seem subdued. Maybe the reviewers are getting jaded by all the powerful cars arriving lately- Audi RS6, Phaeton, Porsche 911 Turbo X-10, and so on.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Your first two reasons are highly unlikely, Mercedes' usually don't have traction issues and their wheelbases aren't a factor. The gear ratio theory is most likely the reason.

    shoes,

    What the hell do you do?

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    "Your first two reasons are highly unlikely, Mercedes' usually don't have traction issues and their wheelbases aren't a factor. The gear ratio theory is most likely the reason."

    Pardon me? Please name a SINGLE non-AWD vehicle with more than 250hp that doesn't have serious traction issues when doing best-time launches... when you start to talk about 4-second 0-60 vehicles, controlling wheelspin means *everything*.

    And yes, the wheelbase is a factor insofar as there is parasitic drivetrain loss in a front engine, rear-drive vehicle within the driveshaft. The impact is probably marginal, but it is there. For all we know, the SL uses a lighter, shorter, lower-friction driveshaft that saps less engine power than the longer, heavier driveshaft from the midsize sedan.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Such endless, pointless theories. For all we know this and for all we know that. Gee whiz..

    "Please name a SINGLE non-AWD vehicle with more than 250hp that doesn't have serious traction issues when doing best-time launches... when you start to talk about 4-second 0-60 vehicles, controlling wheelspin means *everything*."

    Why would any carmaker publish a slower 0-60 figure based on seconds lost due to wheelspin? Lawd you can't really be that niave. And your wheelbase theory is about as weak, at a 3.6 inch difference between the two cars. Gearing, gearing and a slight hp difference!

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    "you can't really be that niave."

    Please lay off the personal attacks. Thank you.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Not a personal attack at all, but some of things you come up with I'd have to think you're joking because of their level of ridiculousness.

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    From now on I'll listen to you. Hang on a sec while I tell Mercedes that they can now start using identical rubber on all their vehicles by corrolary of Merc's Law of traction.

    Poor Einstein, smart guy but with you here rewriting the laws of the universe, who needs him.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yet you still try to come up with yet another theory long after the horse is dead. Now it's the tires right? Do you even know what kind/brand etc of tires AMG cars use? Keep proving me right.

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    No, you tell me what tires are used. You're the one telling me that these two very different cars with very different weight balance and axle-level dynamics have identical traction characteristics because you seem to think that your holy Mercedes cannot possibly be confined to the laws of physics that all other marques are held to.

    Go ahead Merc1, prove it. What else can Mercedes do that nobody else can do? Turn invisible? Travel faster than the speed of light? I'm curious as to what other stories a fanatic can make up to prop his favorite brand.... but let me make some popcorn first....
  • whothemanwhotheman Posts: 169
    Simon, from "American Idol"? There's a call holding for you on line 2.

    whotheman
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    You easily get the "Most Ridiculous Poster" award. You always come up with these left-field guesses and then get sarcastic when they are challenged or even question. You hardly ever make any sense, espeically when it comes to a luxury car discussion. End.

    M
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    I'm sorry, I must have missed something, but what does that have to do with your assertion that the SL55 and E55 have identical traction characteristics on launch? Is this something you read in a magazine blurb? I'm still waiting but take your time, I have plenty of popcorn.

    Oh, and what brand/model/grip rating tires do these two vehicles use? You write like you know, so maybe you can clue me in. Thanks again.

    And for the record, I've backed up everything I've said while you've gotten snippy and sarcastic and defensive. Chill out Merc, it's just a car, not your unborn child we're talking about!! Yes, the SL55 could well be using a much lighter low friction driveshaft, given its shorter wheelbase and higher price point. Yes, differences in weight distribution, camber, center of gravity (which affects lateral stresses on the axle, impacting force distribution at the contact patch of the tires) and many other factors can and probably do result in somewhat different amounts of traction for the two cars on aggressive launches. Yes, the gearing is probably somewhat different. I've offered three perfectly reasonable explanations for why there might be a ZERO POINT TWO second difference on 0-60 times, and all you've done is whine whine whine. Instead of continuing whining, why don't you offer some explanations, facts, theories, ANYTHING of your own, rather than trying to pick a fight because someone suggested that a Mercedes might have wheelspin? Heck, some manufacturers intentionally brake-torque to force wheelspin to get their best auto tranny 0-60 times!! And you call ME naive!!
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    When did I ever say the SL55 and E55 "have identical traction characteristics on launch"?
    Even better question....why am I wasting my time(?)

    M
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