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Mercedes-Benz SL and SLK (all models)

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  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    "When did I ever say the SL55 and E55 "have identical traction characteristics on launch"?"

    I said: wheelspin might be a factor.

    You said: Mercedes cars don't have any wheelspin.

    Therefore, all Mercedes have identical wheelspin (namely none) regardless of launch method, engine, car design, etc., and I think it fairly follows that since all Mercedes apparently put down infinite gs on the skidpad in order to accomplish this incredible feat, we might as well say that they all Mercedes have the same (namely, infinite) traction.

    Laws of physics? Who needs them when we've got Merc1 and AMG!

    "Even better question....why am I wasting my time(?)"

    Because you're a zealot. You can't help it.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Ok now you're going to tell me what I said right. If you got that "Mercedes' don't have any wheelspin" from what I said you need help. Keep up the idiotic coments.

    M
  • Guys.. Guys.. gentlemen.. I'm not a mechanical engineer so I don't know which of you is right. All I know is I own both the 2002 S500 with AMG Sport Package and the 2003 SL500 with the same. All the toys...distronic, tire pressure monitor, parktronic, keyless go, yada yada yada. I'm just happy and feel blessed to be the owner of two of the world's greatest examples of automotive engineering for any price. I also have the Lexus GS300 ( 1999 ) and I still get a kick out of driving that. Not as responsive as the Benz or BMW's ( I don't own a beemer ) but still a great car. I've thought of going out and buying the new BMW 745Li. For years on these boards I've argued with BMW owners and thought they were all on prozac to say " you have to drive one to understand " Well it turns out, they're right. My point is this. If one is fortunate enough to own any of these vehicles, anywhere in the world. Then you're blessed. Life is short. It's challenging, yet wonderful. No need to be right all the time, or to play the mine is bigger than yours game. If you drive anything over 80-100 k.. then you understand that it comes down to personal choice and what pleases you.. not what others think..
  • benznutbenznut Posts: 104
    You have my dream garage: an S and a SL, both sport. The onely thing I would change on both of them is the engine size. Twin-Turbo V12 in both of them.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    If it does, I suspect it will give the Lexus SC430 a lot more competition. I've ridden in both the SL500 and SC430 and I would gladly trade down from a Lexus V8 to a Mercedes V6 in order to get the driving dynamics of the SL over the SC. At roughly the same price(?) it would be a no-brainer for me. For those that prefer supple luxury, the SC430 will probably still fare well.
  • What are comments regarding dealers and individuals increasing the MSRP by $50,000.00.
    I would like to buy an SL55, however, refuse to get into a bidding war with dealers and individuals who order, wait for delivery and auction at higher prices. Please provide feedback on this topic.
    Also, can anyone advise the planned number of units to be supplied?
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Yeah it would be nice to have a SL350, but MBUSA has been run away from selling anything S/SL-Class cars with only a "6" cylinder engine. I really don't understand why, the SL320 and the especially the S320 were good sellers here. It would give more people a chance to experience an S-Class (S350) and SL (SL350), those who don't have to have all the hp.

    hstei,

    The SL55's here are going for 185K without even so much as an eyeblink from the salesman.

    M
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Unfortunately, I think you are at the mercy of capitalism when it comes to trying to get an SL55 at this late date. I have a business associate who is due to take delivery of one shortly at MSRP. But he has purchased several high end Mercedes in the past and immediately put up a deposit on the SL55 when word of it first came out (at least a year ago). He also owns a 2001 Ferrari 360 that he got at MSRP with a similar advanced deposit.

    With high end limited production cars you have three choices: (1) get in 1-2 years in advance with a substantial deposit, (2) wait until they first arrive and pay a substantial premium, (3)or wait 1-2+ years for the hype and price to return to reality.

    I was too slow to do (1), refused to do (2), so ended up doing (3) when purchasing a 2002 M5 this spring. I question those who paid a $20k premium to have the privalege of driving one 6-12 months in advance of me.

    As for my associate, he has already been offered upwards of $40k cash not to take his SL55. His position is the same as with the 360. He doesn't want to make money by "flipping" a car, he just doesn't want to pay a premium to drive one.
  • EPN2,thanks for comment regarding capitalism. Understood. I too, am a capitalist and am following your strategy. Just this past week the dealer had two new units received, marked "SOLD" and said he would call me after negotiations were
    completed on trade-in with the customers who had ordered and placed deposits. In August the dealer in Atlantic City had five units on the lot asking a $10,000.00 premium. I looked at him and turned around and left. These were SL 500s.
    More of us in the market need to exercise our power and refuse the dealer and criticize the manufacturer.
  • I too paid a permium of 10k over sticker for my SL500. Something I swore in the past that I'd never do. ( Never say never huh ? )As I said before, I have all the toys, Distronic, Keyless go, Parktronic, tire pressure monitor, everything except the panoramic roof and opted not to get the phone installed since I already have one in my S500 and really don't think it will be able to be heard clearly with the roof down. I paid 112,000 for it. The only solace I had was when I went back up to the dealership last week when I had nothing better to do and saw a black base model that someone else paid 114,000 for and sold it immediately for 130,000 to someone in Palm Beach Fl... it was a little comforting.. but not much. I enjoy the car immensely and I took out my one pet peave on the dealer customer service survey that Mercedes sent me. I know and understand capitalism well. I'm a capitalist myself.. ah the heck with it.. this car is wonderful.. I haven't had this much fun since my dad bought me my first electric Tyco train set when I was 6 years old.. lol. If you can get one.. it's worth it.. I don't think I'd pay more than 10 over sticker ( they were asking 15k over so I guess I did get a discount ? )... but like I said.. I'm happier than a pig in slop with this car..
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    It's the dealer thats at fault not the manufacturer. MB really can't do anything about what a dealer charges.

    M
  • I agree and understand that the manufacturer cannot control dealer markup, especially if market conditions support that markup. But I had a previous bad experience with my first 2001 S500 and wrote MB Chairman complaining about it. The dealer was extremely concerned that I did that and asked me to promise not to write the chairman again when I bought my SL500. The district manager came down and worked out a deal to get me out of the lemon (the 2001 S500 was traded in for a 2002 S500 ) and put me in a new car and yada yada yada. To make a long story short, the dealers get bonus money from the manufacturer as well as brownie points when it comes to ordering hard to get models and other incentives for keeping customer satisfaction high. While I understand that my one low mark on the survey probably won't even make a ripple in the pond, it made me feel better since I gave my word that I wouldn't write the chairman again.. lol.. but in the end.. even though I overpaid and I know it.. it's still a wonderful car and I'm more than satisfied with my decision to buy it...
  • jstylejstyle Posts: 129
    I looked on the mbusa.com website at the preowned inventory for 2003 SL and was shocked first at how many there were then at the prices. It seems to me the market has slowed and perhaps dropping prices are in order. I would never pay 10+grand more for a car than will depreciate from that inflated price rapidly in a few years. Regards
  • Thanks for the comments regarding price gouging.
    EJEROD, can you provide MB Chairman's address/email address. I'll give him a piece of my mind regarding HIS dealer network.
    To the other comments, thanks. I will continue to approach dealers in the area until SLs are plentiful and buy at my price not theirs.

    Please continue on this topic. Maybe if we all send messages to MB headquarters they will start producing more units or increase allocations to USA.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,111
    I too am a naysayer when it comes to dealer markups on new models. I've sworn I will never pay one cent over MSRP. But I am not fiscally in a position to purchase (or lease) one of these fine automobiles. You're probably going to hear it from many people about how people like you "let" dealers continue to charge over sticker by buying the car. I on the other hand would like to congratulate you on the purchase of a beautiful automobile. You wanted an SL500, You're in a position (financially) to buy one, and the extra $10K probably doesn't meant that much to you, so you bought the car. You never know what is going to happen between now and the time the market for an SL drops to MSRP or below. Enjoy your car! I'm sure you get tons of sunny days in which to enjoy it:)

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • kdudekdude Posts: 22
    I've had a deposit for Sl500 for close to 18 months now. Mine is arriving next week. I called the same dealer (not revealing my name) and asked how long the wait is for purchase at MSRP. They no longer take a deposit. There are two in the lot for 117 & 118 each (mine is around 94 at MSRP). I also have a deposit at a different dealer for a SL55 (about 8 months old now). The first dealer won't take a deposit, and is asking 200K for it (they receive 8 a year). I am expecting/hoping for the SL55, sometimes in late 2003, early 2004.

    Is there something wrong with this picutre???
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,111
    "Is there something wrong with this picutre???"

    Yes, obviously I'm in the wrong line of work:)

    Good luck finding an SL. If the market stays strong, you can get the SL500 and probably flip it (for close to or more than what you paid for it) when the SL55 comes in (and you're willing to part with $200,000). Just a thought! The SL is a beautiful car!

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • kdudekdude Posts: 22
    I do not pay over MSRP. $200k is what the dealer wants for SL55 (He is the one giving me SL500 next week after holding a $1k deposit for close to two years). I've had a $5k deposit for about 8 months with another dealer to buy one at MSRP. His "delivery date" keeps going forward in time. I expect to get one late 2003 (If I am lucky).

    It seems now-a-days we need to predict what kind of car we will be driving in two years and plan for it now! Not knowing what cars different manufacturers may bring to the market, adds to the complexity.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,111
    I totally agree with you that you shouldn't pay over MSRP for an SL55 AMG. It is nice to see someone with a large disposable income like yourself willing to wait for the car to pay MSRP for it.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

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