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Mini Cooper v. Hyundai Tiburon v. Acura RSX v. Subaru WRX

gildlbgildlb Posts: 6
edited March 21 in Acura
Trying to decide between these three. I've been leaning towards the Tiburon, but my wife wants the Rsx or Mini. Thanks ahead of time for any thoughts pro/cons on the matter.
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  • alf3alf3 Posts: 83
    I cannot for the life of me imagine anyone cross-shopping these three cars.
  • All three of them are sporty coupes. I've seen a number of messages here comparing one with the other. Just not all three in one forum. Also, to help explain where I'm coming from. It's actually my wife that wants the Mini Cooper or possible the RSX. I'm the one leaning towards the Tiburon, which I think looks the most masculine of the three. This will also be a 3rd vehicle for us. We want something fun and sporty to scoot around in, that's also within a reasonable price range.
  • It may help any comparison if you can give any more specifics on what you're looking at. I4 or V6 Tiburon? Mini Cooper or Cooper S? RSX or RSX Type-S? Manual or automatic?

    0-60 acceleration-wise...
    Tiburon V6 6spd= 8.0 (est in various magazines)
    Mini Cooper 5spd= 8.5 (manufacturer-stated)
    Mini Cooper S 6spd= 6.9 (manufacturer-stated)
    RSX 5spd= not sure
    RSX Type-S 6spd= 6-second range (what I've heard)

    Handling wise, from all I've heard from magazine reviews, the Mini is a practical Go-kart, the RSX handles rather decently, and the Tiburon has a lot of body roll and understeer.

    The Tiburon seems to be the slug of the group excluding the Mini Cooper, which can at least be had in a faster version. It also seems to be the worst handling. Depends if that's important to you.

    Of course, the real way to tell what you really want is to test drive them and see which you like best, though that will most likely be hard to do with a Mini, at least for a while.

    Good luck with whatever car you decide on.

    Mike
  • If you plan to keep the car for a long time (thinking of collectability here) I think the Mini has the best chance of being a collectors car, given the relative misicule numbers of them to be made and the history of the marque.

    That won't make the Mini YOUR favorite car, or the best car for you, but it is a consideration to be made. The performance should be very good, the car will be rare enough that you will have scant opportunities to run into them in the wild (not many on the roads for a while).

    Another big consideration is your location. Where do you live? I hope it is close to a new Mini dealership, or I might consider taking the Mini off your wishlist. You could be facing a long drive to the dealer for service, because only Mini dealers will perform warranty work and service.

    As for the Tibby versus the Acura. I think the Acura has a better pedigree than Hyundai. You also will pay a bit of a premium for that fact. But, you should get it back down the road in resale values.

    Since it is a third car, maybe the intrinsic financial value/cost of the car you choose may not be the most important factor, but I submit that the bottom line may be another reason the Mini takes first place, the Acura second, and the Tibby third (sorry Hyundai).

    Good luck, and definately drive the cars before you decide.
  • Tiburon: This car has the same V6 as the Santa Fe. The one that keeps locking up with <10k miles.

    Mini: IF you can get one, you will pay MUCH more than MSRP.

    Only leaves one, which IMHO has the best mix of standard equipment/performance/price/reliability in its class.
  • I hear this discussion alot. Until someone actually buys one here in the states, and gets bilked, I guess I am not sure what the arrangements are. It seems the dealerships will have the last call on how to handle the pricing. But let's look at it this way:

    If you are opening a new dealership, with a highly sought after car, and want the dealership to be successful for years...what would you do?

    I think the Mini dealers that are forward thinking will not be charging rediculous surtaxes on the cars. I have not be told anything one way or the other, but I expect to pay MSRP for my Mini, when I get it.

    Acura will be the best combination of easy to get and reliability. But don't rule out the Mini because the dealers MAY charge a hefty fee. We don't even know what model he was looking at.
  • fxashunfxashun Posts: 747
    cost hella over MSRP. Aren't they selling them from existing BMW dealerships with a Mini add-on area? They are gonna be like the Bug was for the first two or so years.
  • If dealers do not mark up the mini, you can be assured the secondary market will. Dealers are just as greedy as everyone else, and won't give up the extra profits on the few units they can get ahold of. You probably will pay sticker price for them, but included in sticker will be $5000 for special dealer-added alloy rims.
  • toyunkitoyunki Posts: 25
    ...We took it to our favorite mountain road with another Eight Great contestant for a head-to-head battle. The winner would make the list. And the Hyundai, after only a few minutes of flogging, was the clear victor.........

    It(Tiburon) is now one of the best sport compacts for the money. Just don't tell the lawyers.


    --Josh Jacquot


      


    http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/archives/features/feature01_0402c.shtml


    TO ALL said Tib perform bad....


    Compareson


    2003 Tib V6GT ($18,399)

    Performance

    Acceleration

    0-30 mph: 2.9 sec.

    0-60 mph: 7.6 sec.

    30-50 mph: 2.8 sec.

    50-70 mph: 4.1 sec.

    Quarter Mile: 15.6 sec. @ 88.8 mph


    Handling

    Slalom (700 ft): 68.2 mph

    Lateral grip (200ft skidpad): .84g


    Braking

    60-0 stopping distance: 122 ft.


    RSX-S ($23,650)

    Performance

    Acceleration

    0-30 mph: 3.0 sec.

    0-60 mph: 6.9 sec.

    30-50 mph: 2.5 sec.

    50-70 mph: 3.4 sec.

    Quarter Mile: 15.0 sec. @ 94.5 mph


    Handling

    Lateral Grip (200ft skidpad): 0.88 g

    Slalom Speed (700ft slalom): 68.0 mph


    Braking

    60-0 stopping distance: 133 ft


    Celica GT-S ($22,040)

    Performance

    Acceleration

    0-30 mph: 2.9 sec

    0-60 mph: 8.1 sec

    30-50 mph: 3 sec

    50-70 mph: 4.4 sec

    Quarter Mile time: 15.8 sec

    Quarter Mile speed: 88.6 mph


    Handling

    Lateral Grip (200ft skidpad): 0.85g

    Slalom Speed (700ft slalom): 69.9 mph


    Braking

    60-0 stopping distance: 129 ft


    Accordding to SportsCompactCar.....

    Tib is just par or right betweem two best japaneses sports coupe....


    Acceleration (1/4miles)


    1. RSX-S 15 sec

    2. Tiburon GT 15.6sec

    3. Celica GTS 15.8sec


    Handling


    skid pad 200ft skid pad


    1, RSX-S .88g

    2, Celica GTS .85g

    3, Tiburon GT .84g


    Slalom (700ft slalom)


    1. Celica GTS 69.9 mph

    2. Tiburon GT 68.2 mph

    3. RSX-S 68.0 mph


    Braking(60-0)


    1. Tiburon 122ft

    2. Celica GTS 129ft

    3. RSX-S 133ft


    And If you adds UP the ranking all three cars tied with 8 points( add up the number of ranking)

  • fxashunfxashun Posts: 747
    think of many more times I've used full accelleration and steady state cornering than going slaloming and full-on braking. Especially considering the major difference in accelleration opposed to braking. The RSX is pulling away. Maybe they shoulda used a regular RSX.

    But I don't like the interior of either car so I'm buying a 1993 two or four door and a Turbo.
  • acrsxacrsx Posts: 3
    From an RSX owner - whose tottally tempted to go scoop up the Cooper S... I'd probably wait a year or two though for the dust to settle down on it.

    Of course if you can bring yourself to a higher priced gem - maybe get the Honda S2000 instead. ;)
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    From Edmunds' Daily Headlines section, here's an article that you may find interesting: Hyundai Revs Its Engines With A Sporty Tiburon. (This is not a permanent link.) Hope you enjoy.

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  • a tiburon is for people who have no taste, I would rather have a golf GTI, or a acura RSX, but a hyundai is a joke. but we all learn buy our mistakes I had a escort GT, back in 1987. Tiburons are ugly, and it sounds like, your wife has taste and you have none. if Americans would wake up we whouldnt have stupid cars like, taurus , intrepids, malibu,s etc. and did I mention buicks, if you bought a tiburon, for under $18,000 in 4 years its worth $8,000, whereas the acura you bought for $20,000 is still worth $14.000 or more. you do the math, which was a smarter purchase.
  • beowulf7beowulf7 Posts: 290
    News to me! Have you seen the 2003 model? Yes, the predecessors were a disaster, but most folks generally think that Hyundai did a commendable job with the totally redesigned Tiburon - at least from the exterior syling perspective. Now in acceleration performance, interior styling, etc. those other cars you mentioned (GTI and RSX-S) would have the upper hand.
  • fxashunfxashun Posts: 747
    The Tiburon is still ugly. Just not as ugly as the earlier versions.
  • verozahlverozahl Posts: 574
    ... Tiburon competes with Celica in that respect.
    The RSX is more refined, has a cleaner look.

    The 2003 Tib is called Tuscani in Korea...
    I don't understand why Hyundai didn't say...
    okay, no more Scoupe... now Tiburon... and then
    Tuscani. The 2001 and 2003 models are very different at least in styling.
  • jrose3jrose3 Posts: 1
    what class the tiburon is in is not important,a celica stripped down, would be a better buy then a full, a fully loaded tiburon, hyundai,s do not have a good reputation, most of you people, never heard of a hyundai excell, or just have short memories, buying a hyundai is like buying a mustang GT, both have questionable pasts. when buying a car, horsepower isn't the most important, if people were educated, there would only be Honda and Toyota (Acura,(Lexus) still in business. except all the German makes, there is no other options. but please don't buy, a good car, then well all have the same car, and I need to laugh at someone.
  • Word on the streets here in the southwest is that the Minis will be sold at MSRP, with no markups. Now, that doesn't mean you may not have to pay for underbody coating and various dealer offered accessories which will be latched onto the cars before they can be sold, but they claim a commitment to MSRP.

    If you think about it, it does make sense that they would do this, that they HAVE to do this. Honda may have gotten away with charging a surplus for the S2000, because they had a lot full of other cars that they could turn the disappointed buyers to..."look at this Civic SI."

    For Mini, the Cooper is their car, their ONLY car, and if they make a reputation for fleecing the public at the introduction, it may turn off people who just might walk in off the street to test drive and buy one 2 or 3 years from now, after all the enthusiasts have snapped up their orders. If you step back and think long-term from the company's perspective, the best approach is to hold firm, and build a reputation for quality service, quality cars and fair trade. If they fail the customers early in the relationship, they will doom themselves. One of the reasons I belive that Saturn was as successful as it was when it hit the market was the introduction of some new attitudes into the marketplace. The concept of one price selling made buying a Saturn a low-stress approach as compared to other dealers. They sold alot of cars that way, and built a fairly loyal following, selling ONE model with a few variations. Now fast forward to today and I see some simularities to the Mini approach, they will not be BMW dealerships, but will retain some loose association with BMW (would be crazy not to), and they will do everything to build a solid base to remain viable for the next 20 years, not just the next two while they sell out every car made to a voracious special interest group of enthusiasts.

    As for returning to the comparo: Mini, IMHO, has the most to offer of the three to most buyers. But then again, it is an entirely different thing than the Tibby or the RSX. Like comparing Akira and Four Weddings and a Funeral for best movie ever honors...how can you compare them? And neither earns that title! At under 20k, you don't get the best of anything in a new car, but you can get closer with a Mini than the RSX and Tibby, and that is why I am on the list.
  • fxashunfxashun Posts: 747
    Then it'll just be a toy.
  • salleynesalleyne Posts: 3
    ...About not buying a hyundai and why. Does no one else remember fist sized rust holes? That being said, if your picking a fun third car from your list, get a MINI Cooper S. I test drove one a few weeks ago and it was just flat out fun. It also impressed me as being more stylish and a little more refined than the RSX. The handling reminded me of a mid-eighties GTI. I also liked the Panoramic roof. In my area, the Edmunds TMV price is about $600 over invoice but I've heard of dealers adding crap which would not be caught in the TMV since it's not a straight forward markup. I'd like to add that If I were buying a third car I wouldn't care about utility, I've already got two cars that cover that well. I'd be looking at Miata's, and MR-Spyders, or seeing if I could stretch to a used Honda S2000, or TT. I figure a third car means you should shoot for style and performance, or whatever you think would be SUPER COOL not just COOL. The cars you mention are daily drivers and two of them, I'm sure, would be great Auto Cross cars. But that's not what your looking for. Go for something with panache.
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