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  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    Came back from the birthday bash at the museum on the weekend. Friday took a lot of rain, but Saturday was a great sunny day. They had the new Atomic Orange Vette on Saturday and I had some pics posted by CAC and Rick Conti has some up too. The color seemed a little brighter and lighter than the Daytona, moving toward a copper hue. Anyway, since I like both colors it would be hard to choose if I had to. Lots of nice vendor things, but I kept my hand on my wallet at all times so as not to do anything that would cause my wife to shoot me. One vendor does commemorative conversions of C-5 or C-6 cars to make them look like a 53. He had one there and it was spectacular but I think it was $35K for the conversion. Loved to have done it, but not to die for... :shades:
  • mcg3514mcg3514 Posts: 2
    Am a bit surprised at your post. I also own an '05 Lexus ES330 which is really wifes car and family cruiser. My ride is an '03 Z06 which is a follow up to my '01 Z06. Next up is a C6 Z06 when pricing settles.
    Your comments on the Lexus are a bit alarming. I have owned two of them, the original was back in '92 when the SC400 first hit. To this day, I will say it is the finest car I have ever owned. Our ES330 is only 1+ years old but it has been flawless except for the tranny hesitation you mentioned. There is a TSB out for that and I had the dealer do the "fix" as such. No hesitation since.
    I agree with your comments on the Vette as far as performance and braking but saying the "ride" was not as "cushy" bothers me a bit. The Lexus is not made for spirited driving, especially the ES or the LS---it's a cruiser plain and simple. If you want a Lexus that can handle any type of spirited driving, then look to the SC, GS or IS models. It still won't match the Vette for handling but these are cars that can do more from the handling standpoint than the "cruisers".
    My Lexus is as quiet as a church mouse and super on interstate travels.
    My Vette is noisy, rides rough (read, handles well) but it goes like hell and that is what I am looking for...and I just turned 65 so no baloney on the "growing up" bit. Just happen to love the old pushrod V8 rumble...and on rare occasions, I do some spirited driving...and love every minute of it.
    I just don't get comparing anyLexus to the Vette---they are TOTALLY different cars.
  • Auto and not sure between coupe or vert. Convertible seems like more bang for the buck and more fun to drive but less safe?

    what are avg expenses per year for tires brakes etc.? Do they wear out quickly?

    Driving school is a must. Do you use original tires or have track slicks to slip on?

    Last, I was thinking the brakes would need to be replaced with more substantial brakes. They don't seem to be enough for a 400hp car? Compared to C55 AMG and M3 for their hp.

    Appreciate the help!
  • mcg3514...I knew I woud offend a few of my fellow Lexus owners.

    I agree with your comments and your experience is your experience. I'm glad you didn't have my experiences. I'm happy you have had great luck and joy with your vehicles. I wish that for everyone. That's all I wanted. I've just experienced more crud than the normal human should have to endure with a Lexus, which for me, is unfortunate. Regarding the ES300, it was the 1st year model, so maybe the lesson there is that we should avoid 1st year, maybe 2nd year re-designs.

    Ideally, I would prefer no problems with my new Vette. But that's probably unrealistic. Given my luck with vehicles :cry:

    Can you provide your experiences with your Vette? Anything a new buyer should know would help me a lot!

    Thanks!
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    my .02c

    1 Vette's are what they are. They are loud, crude, and don't have the best fit and finish in the world but they are unbeatable in the bang for the buck and fun to drive category.
    2 No sports car is going to give you the quiet and ride that a Lexus or other luxo car will. Can't compare them they are totally different.
    3 Vette issues.
    -Vettes aren't everyday cars, they just don't hold up.
    Tires will typically need to be replaced every 20-25k depending on driving habits. Brakes also don't last as long as on a conventional car.
    Expect some rattles and squeaks, the C5 and I'm sure the C6 are better but they have yet to match the imports in this area.
    Watch out for curbs! Vettes have low noses and chin spoilers that are vulnerable to parking rashes and steep driveways.
    Watch out for the low profile tires. They are more vulnerable to curb rash than the tires on your Lexus.
    Also, they don't soak up ANY bumps so expect a rougher ride.
    As long as you know what to expect from your Vette you will be very happy. Expecting a vette to be what it isn't will lead to unhappiness.
    Good Luck
  • glhendr1glhendr1 Posts: 33
    I've read a few of the post in the last couple of week on the brakes but I'm still soliciting help with my squeaky brakes. Please someone, tell me what if anything you have had done to solve the brake issues. I'm taking my 05/C6 back to the dealer next week for the recall on the top but I also want them to take a re-look at the brakes. I want to go in there with recommend fixes that others have done. Maybe I'm just crazy but to accept squeaky brakes on a 50K car is unacceptable. Any advise would be appreciated.
  • glhendr1glhendr1 Posts: 33
    I'm also looking for advise on getting that true purring sound for my vette without replacing the entire exhaust system. My car sounds nothing like my neighbor car (3 doors down the street) and it's driving my crazy. Help
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Well, I'm assuming your neighbor replaced his system.
    Most exhausts are cat-back systems.
    In other words they incorporate bigger pipes and less restrictive mufflers form the catalytic converters back.

    I suppose you could just replace the mufflers, but I don't know if you would get the full effect, or save any money.
  • gbjerkegbjerke Posts: 158
    This is in response to post #1459...got to explain something here. I am not mcg3514, rather my screen name here is gbjerke. I have no idea as to why my response to your original came in as the "mcg" screen name.
    That being said, be assured you did not "offend" me as a Lexus owner, rather I was very disappointed in how your dealer was treating you. I have found the total opposite to be true of my dealer. They actually go OVERBOARD in treating me, and I find that true with most Lexus owners. They don't hit the top of J.D. Power all the time without giving such service.
    e.g.--on my '92 SC---it had a factory phone. Using the hand set, it would cut out on me. A little fiddling around made it clear that the cord had a short. I called the dealership (70 miles away) and told them to merely send me a cord and I would replace and return the old cord to them. "NOPE", was their response. They asked what I wanted to drive and they would send a car up while they took mine for a complete phone replacement. I said an LS would be nice. They did. Came to my office and we swapped cars. I drove the LS for a couple of days and they brought back my SC with a new phone, programmed and all; plus freshly washed!
    Same thing happened when my salesman called a few months later inquiring how the Lexus was. Off the cuff, and a bit jokingly, I mentioned the CD changer in the trunk skipped when going over rough railroad tracks. Yup, they wanted to replace the CD stacker in the trunk and "what would you like to drive?" I told them to forget it. "No" they said, they wanted to replace the unit. OK, another LS to drive but I got a call the next day saying it would be a couple more days til my car was ready as they noticed a "defect" in the front seat. Hell yes there was a "defect"---like a moron, I sat in the seat with a screwdriver in my back pocket..poked a small hole in the left bolster of the drivers seat...after a bit of wear, it became more noticeable. Yup, they replaced the entire seat with a new one. This, to me, is really "over the top" as far as service is concerned. Nuff said, but I think your dealer is "below standard".
    First year or not, you should not have the hassle you hae had with your dealer....PERIOD!
    As to the Vette, the C5 was a VAST improvement over previous generations. I had been with the Supra's for years, last one being a '97TT. They quit making them in '98 so when it was time to look for something different. The C5's had great reviews and when the Z06 hit, that was it for me. Have had an '01; swapped for an '03 and between them have over 50k in mles logged and both have been flawless. Believe me, not one squeak or rattle from either one. Chevy did a good job with these. Don't expect quiet or cushy. That is not their forte. It is pure push rod V8 rumble that goes like stink...and that is what I like.
    Hope I have cleared the air on my thoughts.
  • gbjerkegbjerke Posts: 158
    Understand your concerns on the squeaky brake issue. I have not had that problem but have heard of others with same. I use ceramic pads for everyday driving. They are cheap, last forever and no dusting. They are certainly not for track use and they may be a bit short on braking distance, but I have noticed no difference in stock pads vs. ceramics for normal driving. Something you may want to consider.
    Don't even recall where I got mine and if I did, I don't think we can post vendors here.
    If you want, private email me at gbjerke@aol.com
    I'll be glad to look it up and advise.
  • gbjerkegbjerke Posts: 158
    Boy, I'm busy tonight.
    Don't know exactly what you are looking for as you describe you want a "purring sound".
    There are all kinds of aftermarket systems you can get. If you want a lot of "bark" you can get it. Don't think I can mention vendors here.
    If you are not in a "smog tested" area, you can get manifold back systems (no cats) and use stock mufflers and believe me, they will bark at you.
    Post what you are looking for and I suspect there will be several suggestions.
  • jmessjmess Posts: 677
    Be careful about muffler changes with a C6. The stock C6 system is a pretty good balance of performance, noise management, and light weight.

    I have never been a fan of the muscle car sound/rumble. There are so many V8 pickup trucks running around with loud exhaust systems that I don't want my C6 to sound like that.

    So I recently installed the Corsa Sports which have a higher pitch; more European sound. The popular C6 muffler culture says the Corsa Sports aren't much louder than stock. That isn't true, they are a lot louder than stock to a point that they are annoying in daily stop and go driving.

    So now I am going to install the Corsa touring kit which adds some resonators and see if that helps. I was lucky to find a fellow C6 owner who gave me his touring kit. If that doesn't smooth things out I am going back to the stock system.

    So try and find somebody who has the exhaust system you are interested in and go for a ride if possible. The sound clips posted on some of the websites don't really give you a real sample of what the different exhaust systems sound like when they are in your car and you are driving it.
  • vettevervettever Posts: 20
    Three words... Borla Cat Back!
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    My POV on avg expenses is not much use unless you plan to track a car and auto is not the best for that, vert is also not good on track. I have two sets of wheels and have Michelin run flats on the stock set. They hardly ever seem to wear, actually I think they have been in the garage all winter since I did lots of track days. The track wheels are Z06 OEM which are 1" wider all around. The tires are usually $1,100 to $1,500 a set and on track they can go quick if you don't manage them well. I've gotten up to about 10 track days on a set with good monitoring of track and street air pressure. I just don't find it worth the time to swap without more than two weeks between events.

    The brakes are not up to heavy track use in long sessions, but if you add cooling as I have done and back off some on threshold braking at the limit they will work. I've been on stock rotors, pads and fluid for three years and now get about 3/4 days out of pads, 1/3 days out of fluid and 10 or so days out of rotors. Pads are about $250 all four wheels, with rotors about $100 for all four. The fluid cost is a function of doing it yourself or not. When I find a brake upgrade that seems well engineered for the whole system I will probably upgrade. I have heard too many problems with partial changes.

    If you drive on the street, as my wife does, I don't expect replacement issues for some time yet.
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    Borla, Magnaflow, Corsa, GLH (?), Billy Boat, SLP, Bassani, Dynatech, Callaway, LG, etc. The choices are so wide that without hearing some, all the input in the world from somebody else's ears isn't going to solve the problem. Find a local Corvette Club, go to a meeting and ask to hear some, they love to show off what they think is best. I love my Magnaflows on the C5 at the track since I can run at Laguna Seca on sound restricted days at 92db and have no issues, yet at WOT I get enough feedback to make my shift points. No drone on the freeway either. I love the wife's Corsa Indy on her C5 and she does too, but I'm the only one who gets past about 3000rpm and above that they are really loud, great on ramp from Ygnacio Valley Road, in Walnut Creek s/b 680 between 30 ft high walls for a few hundred feet. At 5500 just a little lift, astounding! But in her driving and since both cars are 6 speeds with cruise on the freeway at about 1500 rpm, no loud sounds.

    Go find some, they are a treat, all depends on what you want.
    Randy
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=114943

    My only thought is will that make the current Z06 more available?
  • dmonizdmoniz Posts: 15
    I'm thinking of buying an '89 Vette Ragtop with 56,000 miles listed at $13k in Mass. Is this a good deal? I've only seen a few pics and it looks good with just a tear in the driver's seat. What should I look for when I inspect it? Anything you guys can tell me will be appreciated.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    First of all, make sure the guy has service records.
    Run a carfax. Look for any cracks in the fiberglass, frame damage etc.
    Those C4's had a tendency to go through U-joints, and their digital dashes could act up.
    Check for leaks, those 350's had iron blocks, but aluminum heads, if they overheated the heads would warp.
    Take a look at the underhood wiring, heat was a killer in those cars, but being in Mass. should have helped it.
    As for the price, unless it is absolutely perfect, new rubber, brakes etc I think it is a little high.
    I wouldn't look at that car for anything over $9-10 grand.
  • starrow68starrow68 Posts: 1,142
    Below is copied from the 2004 Vette Magazine price guide, you can go to Vetteweb.com and search on price guide to find in the April 04 issue.
    About the time that came out I got a '95 Coupe with only 18k miles for just under $16k and it was perfect inside & outside, but had debris in the engine compartment. I too would say that without service records to confirm mileage among other things it's a roll of the dice.

    1989 COUPE TOTAL PRODUCTION 16,663
    ENG/TRANS HP RPO# Excellent Good Average
    350 TPI/AT 240 L98 16 12.5 9
    350 TPI/6-spd. 240 L98 16.5 13 9.5
    Add 10 percent for Z51 HD suspension option.
    1989 CONVERTIBLE TOTAL PRODUCTION 9,749
    ENG/TRANS HP RPO# Excellent Good Average
    350 TPI/AT 240 L98 18 14 10
    350 TPI/6-spd. 240 L98 18.5 14.5 10.5
  • tsytsy Posts: 1,551
    I wonder how many they're planning on building? Probably not a lot, which means a lot of people will just have to 'settle' with only 500 hp. ;) My guess is that it won't make a big difference in Z06 availability.

    Of course, maybe GM will do something right and build more than 25 of them? Let's see, if they could sell 1000 of them at $100K, that's $100M! Ah, still won't put a dent in their financial problems.

    One thing's for certain, 600hp makes our C6 seem down right anemic. :D

    tom
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