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Chevy S-10 Zr2 vs. Toyota Tacoma TRD

planzaplanza Posts: 1
edited March 8 in Chevrolet
Hey, I'm getting a new truck soon and would like
to know how the ZR2 compares to the Tacoma with
TRD. I have already looked at the specs, but I
would like some testimonials etc....

Also, are there any good ZR2 sites on the net that
work? www.zr2.com is down.


Thanks
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  • alevanalevan Posts: 1
    I have a 1998 Toyota Tacoma 4x4. I had a two wheel drive s-10 before the Tacoma. I can personally tell you that the s-10 had a lot of problems. I have not had my Tacoma for long but I have taken it off road and it is amazing what it can do with just factory supension. I am very pleased with my Tacoma. My brother has a 1999 Nissan Frontier 4x4
    it also performs very well. The Chevy will not hold its value in the long run and will also have a greater chance of having problems than the toyota or nissan. I also read an article in Motor Trend Magazine that compared all the major compact pickups and the chevy zr2 did not make it through the off road test because the frame warped. Tacomas are expensive but are probably worth the difference. My brothers nissan has turned out to be an awesome truck that cost less than most of the compact trucks. You might want to check those out too.

    Adam
  • pvs1234pvs1234 Posts: 2
    I currently own a 95 S-10 2wd and have been completely dissatisfied with it. I have had numerous problems with the electrical system, and the build quality is inferior to most trucks by other makers. I look to purchase a new Toyota PreRunner V6 within the next few months.

    Paul
  • cmbakercmbaker Posts: 3
    I have a 1988 toyota 4x2. It has over 300,000 miles with original engine and clutch. Nothing can touch the reliability of Toyotas. I have a friend with a 1996 S10, he's had transmission and electrical problems. I say it's well worth the extra money for the rock solid reliability of the toyota.
  • chevy10chevy10 Posts: 17
    Im am buying a 99 extended cab S10 Zr2 this next week and i have done plenty of research. This off-road package is the best around. It has the widest stance and the biggest tires. Toyotas TRD package doesnt give the truck any more suspension then the normal 4x4 already has. I would also rather buy an american vehicle. Even though Toyotas are being manufactured in the US they still consist of almost all oriental parts. One person said the Toyota is worth the extra money. For the Zr2 package is more then any Toyota Tacoma is sold for. S10 resail value is also at about 59% after three years and Toyotas is under 50. So you tell me which is worth the extra penny.
  • cyratcyrat Posts: 1
    I recently bought a Chevy S-10 ZR2 and it's just awesome. I took it to Wyoming to try it out on some offroad country and it handled better than any expectation. For the money I think this truck is the best off-roader out there. If you are looking for an off road truck, I would highly recommend this one!!!
  • chevy10chevy10 Posts: 17
    I agree cyrat. I think the Zr2 is the best around. Not only does it perform the best but it looks the best. Im buying one tomorrow. Brand new. Ive looked into Tacoma but for not much more the S10 looks better and is faster.
  • chevy10chevy10 Posts: 17
    I agree cyrat. I think the Zr2 is the best around. Not only does it perform the best but it looks the best. Im buying one tomorrow. Brand new. Ive looked into Tacoma but for not much more the S10 looks better and is faster.
  • hindsitehindsite Posts: 590
    I have a 99 Tacoma TRD 4x4 and does great off roading. I guess that the Zr2 S-10 is equal to that of the TRD, with the excepton of the torque.
  • chevy10chevy10 Posts: 17
    Hi, just writing about my new Zr2. Everythings gone well and there hasnt been any problems. I havnt had one complaint. But there is one thing. Because the tires are so big, mud flaps wont fit without rubbing on the tires. Just wondering if anyone out there knows about what I could do. Im going to put some chrome rocker panels on the side to protect the paint. Ive already got about 500 miles on it and Ive followed the breaking in instructions very well. I like the TRD also but im very happy i went with the S10
  • hindsitehindsite Posts: 590
    Congrats on your new truck.
  • mcravenmcraven Posts: 1
    I have had my 99 Tacoma TRD for almost 10 months, and have not had a single problem. I looked an the Zr2 before buying, but after examing the resale and reliability aspects...the Tacoma won hands down.
  • lemoilemoi Posts: 2
    Been waiting for 3-weeks after I put my order in for a ZR2, and the dealer has different reason every week about why they cannot get the order in.. here in this area of PA, no one has any ZR2's on the lots... So I am trying to specail order one... I am not going to wait 4 or 5 Months though... I will end up buying a Dakota Sport if anything else... I currently have a 97-s10 4WD and it has been awesome.. But I have a reg-cab, and now want the extended cab... Also I like the ZR2 package.. I think the truck looks awesome with the package.. 31.5 tires ain't too shabby.. Although the Dakota Sport also comes with the exact size tires... Friday will tell, if they got the order in this week.. I'll get my ZR2, if not, Dodge may get my vote... Toyotas with the same options are way too much money.. I like thier styling, but not for all that cash..

    Chevy goes by a what they have available to what you can order, and all the Chevy dealers in the US have to call in with thier computers at 12:00 noon eastern time to see whats available and what they can order... This is why I cannot get this ordered.. At Dodge, you put your order in, they fax it over and 6-weeks later your truck is there... Seems like they way to do things..

    kam
  • Just read here on Edmunds that the 2000 ZR2 has "revised gear ratios to improve acceleration" Must mean 4.10's. Finally.
    4 wheel discs, 4.10's, rear locker, gee, almost a real good truck now.
    GM had to specially heat treat the front gears for durability with the 3.73.
    I wonder what they did to get 4.10's to work reliably (now that there is another 10% torque multiplication going on). Kryptonite?
  • farman4farman4 Posts: 1
    I have a 96 ZR2 X-cab with 92,500 miles of pretty hard use and abuse off-road and have absolutely no problems as of yet. I used to buy a new truck every year or two but I have enjoyed my ZR2 so much I just never could part with it.
    The locker in the Toy is cool but I ordered my ZR2 with a Torsen diff and have no complaints with it. The only complaints I do have is mileage (14 to 18), poor turning radius, and excessive front brake pad wear(every 25,000 miles).

    I do think the Toy TRD is the only other truck to consider if in the market for a compact 4x4, but my ZR2 has been hillbilly proof so far, and I try to buy American when I can (it is bad enough I have to buy a new [non-permissible content removed] race bike every year).
  • iM LOOKING TO BUY A 2000 MODEL ZR2 AM GONNA HAVE TO ORDER IT . WHAT KIND OF SPECS DO U SUGGEST FOR THE MOST RUGGED TREATMENT HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO A ZR2. PLUS VERSATILITY AND FUN.
  • CHEV VS TOY???? ZR2 VS TRD????
    I'VE HAD NISSAN SINCE 1976.. STILL HAVE MY 89 4X4
    ITS TOO GOOD TO GIVE AWAY (160K MILES)
    WE HAVE A 95 S-10 BLAZER AND A 99 XCAB-ZR2 NOW AND HERES A COUPLE POINTS TO PONDER...
    I CALLED AROUND TO MECHANICS AND ASKED ADVICE..
    I DIDN'T KNOW THESE GUYS AND THEY ALL RECOMMENDED
    THE CHEV JUST BECAUSE OF PARTS PRICES/AVAILABILITY AND EASE OF WORKING ON THE VEHICLES.
    THE NEWER CHEVS SEEM TO HAVE MUCH BETTER Q.C. THAN THE OLDER ONES (OF COURSE).....I THINK NISSAN/TOYOTA MAY BE BEGINNING TO REST ON THEIR PAST REPUTATION A LITTLE TOO MUCH, IT SHOWS IN THE PRICES.......
    MY NEW ZR2 (ABOUT 10K MILES NOW)(11TH DIGIT IN VIN IS '8' BY THE WAY) HAS SO FAR TURNED OUT TO BE A FANTASTIC VEHICLE. I GET 19 MPG MOSTLY EASY HIGHWAY DRIVING.
    I DRIVE 45 MILES INTERSTATE TO WORK..RIDES LIKE A CADDILLAC ON AND OFF ROAD (THAT SUSPENSION IS MOST DEFINITELY WORTH TWICE THE MONEY IT COST)
    I READ THAT CHEV HAS A NEW REAR END FOR 2000-ZR2'S PROBABLY THE 4.10..THATS GONNA REALLY TICKLE THE OFFROAD CROWD BUT IS REALLY GONNA HIT MOST ZR2 BUYERS HARD IN THE BACK OF THE BRITCHES (MOST PEOPLE ONLY PUT MAYBE 5% OF THEIR MILEAGE INTO SERIOUS OFFROADING, THE REST MAINLY BACK AND FORTH TO WORK..)A 4.10 IS ''NOT'' AN ECONOMY REAR END.....IT WOULD DO MOST OF US GOOD TO JUST REMEMBER THAT TRANSFER CASE HAS A HIGH/LOW RANGE ON IT...
    THE 95 BLAZER (ABOUT 80K MILES) GETS ABOUT 20
    MPG AND IS STILL QUIET AND SOLID AS WHEN IT WAS NEW...I DID PUT NEW BILSTEINS ON IT $49 EACH AND WORTH EVERY PENNY
    BASICALLY I AM EXTREMELY PLEASED WITH THE 2
    S-10S THAT WE OWN, ALL VEHICLES SHOULD GET GOOD
    ROUTINE MAINTENANCE , KEEP THE SMALL THINGS TIGHT/CLEAN/GREASED
    AND THE BIG THINGS WILL LAST A LOT LONGER..
    HOPE THIS (I GUESS ITS A DOCUMENTARY NOW HUH?)
    HELPS
    R.
  • I am thinking of purchasing a 2000 Zr2 and I was wondering if they still came stock with BF goodrich tres-
  • I recall reading that Chevy rates the payload capacity of ZR2-optioned trucks as only 900 pounds (several hundred fewer than regular S10s), which seems quite low for its class. Anybody know why Chevy did this? I think the TRD truck is rated for nearly 1700 pounds.
  • I've just picked up the November issue of Truckin magazine. In it there is an article called"Factory Truck Shootout", this article lists,along with the Silverado SS w/vortec6000 engine, Searing Silverado with a supercharged vortec 4800 engine etc....
    Anyway my question is has anyone else heard of these vehicles from another source or can they confirm them. I thinking of buying a 2000 Zr2 4WD S-10 but the supercharged Toy. Tacoma sure is inviting
  • RSMTOM was asking about the ZR2 payload?
    Check the label on the inside of the driver door,
    it shows the payload, my xtra-cab ZR2 shows 750 lbs, (the regular cab may be 900..)
    The ZR2 has a track bar connecting the frame rail to the rear axle
    it is located almost right above the rear diff.
    That track bar may have something to do with payload reduction, its purpose is to keep the relationship of frame/axle about the same, particularly in the horizontal direction..
    as you load the truck the springs compress and the axle gets closer to the frame, that track bar
    resists this change.....
    If you load the truck too much that track bar or its connections would probably be where some damage would occur......
    CHEV never said the ZR2 was a worktruck, and it's
    not, but compact trucks are all very light duty anyway...(some are rated for more weight but probably shouldn't do it very often)..
    the fullsize trucks were made for heavy hauling/towing, but then again try getting one of them through some smaller logging roads and you see where the smaller 4x4s come in...
    If you want a off-road play/hunt truck...ZR2
    you want heavy work truck?.. fullsize (and the newer silveraldo get almost the same gas mileage..
    hope this helps..
    ( I checked all this before I bought the ZR2 also)
  • Thanks for the input regarding ZR2 payload ratings. What I was after was trying to find out whether or not there was some mechanical deficiency in the truck which limits its payload to a rather noncompetitive amount. You see, I happen to be someone who uses a compact truck for work--I'm a finish carpenter. A normal day has about 300 pounds of tools on board, in addition to me and a tank (19gals) of gas. Then there are those days when I need to haul materials as well. Would I want to regularly carry over 1/2 ton in a small truck? Absolutely not! But it is nice to not have to worry about exceeding the manufacturer's load limit on those days when I have to move a lot of stuff. I limit myself to a compact truck because So. Cal. is a very crowded place--a full size would be a misery to live with day-in-day-out.
    You're very right about small 4X4's offroad--much preferable in tight places. I can only have one vehicle, and so it has to do everything for me: work mule, grocery getter, escape rig. That's why I splurge on 4 wheel drive--gotta' get out in the desert in the winter months to unwind.
    As it happens, drando, here in So. Cal. ZR2's are very rare, so I've not been able to look one over in any detail. Dealers seem uninterested in the truck. If you've got the time, I'd like to hear about your experience with the ZR2--quality, reliability, performance on and off road, fuel economy, and anything else which comes to mind. The 3rd door option is appealing, as is the V6 power. I am concerned about push-button transfer case operation (not just Chevy's), automatic hubs (ditto), and turning radius (there are hints, but no specifics, about ZR2's having an unusually large turn radius).
    Thanks again, drando, for your reply to my previous post.
  • I know this is the wrong area for thhis but has anyone driven an xtreme s-10. I was thinking about looking at one and I was trying to find out if it was even worthwhilw looking at?
  • i have a 97 extended cab zr2. I love it. wouldn't drive anything else. The only problems I've had are the tire scrubbing(dealer raised torsion bars, cost free), transmission solenoid(warrenty), and a small oil leak at the oil filter adapter($140)
    that is more than exceptional for the many midnight in the construction site trips, and the many four-wheeling, and rock-crawling trips, you name it and the truck has been there and done that. The only two times that I have been stuck was because the truck is too long to make it over very large mounds, but thats what you have the skid plates for and that is why the frame rails are the lowest point on the truck.
    I get about 16 mpg now at 40,000 miles, the first year I had it I got about 13 mpg.
    You hear alot of mumbo jumbo about the push-button 4-wheel drive but I've NEVER had my truck not go into four wheel drive, I've had it stay in for an extra ten seconds, but never not engage.
    The third door is a must and so are the aluminum skid plate package if you go off-road any.
    There is no engine option because the 4.3 is the best v-6 ever produced by GM.
    Any more questions feel free to e-mail me(I'm really bored and I love to talk about my truck, as you can tell)
    Mike Walters
    of Georgia
    michwalt@juno.com
  • zbad71zbad71 Posts: 226
    Man...I am really sorry you had so much trouble. I had the same kind of runaround with a 98 F150 Ford I had. I saw much more coming and ditched it after 4 months of ownership. I had been a Ford owner for 15 years prior to that.

    Prior to the 98 F150, in conjunction with another F150, I did own a 96 Toyota Tacoma 4X4,ext cab V6, the works. I used it as a daily driver and occasional offroad when hunting where I did not need to carry a lot of equipment, etc.
    I had the head gasket problem at 19k miles, but Toyota went all out to fix it and extended my 60k powertrain warranty out to 100k miles IN WRITING.

    I now have a 99 Z71 Silverado and although I have had a few very minor problems, it is by far the best truck I have ever owned. Yeah, I know that Chevy is not the greatest in customer satisfaction, but still much better than Ford.
    I would still drive a Toyota if they had a real competitor in the full size trucks. The Tundra still is a compact truck in my eyes.

    I guess its all in what your need is that determines what make you buy. If I were to buy another small pickup, I would highly consider another Tacoma, but there are many factors to consider also.

    1.You may have just gotten a lemon. All makes have them.
    2.The S10 has many more options than the Tacoma
    3.The S10 is much cheaper initially than the Tacoma and much cheaper to repair outside of warranty. The parts are almost 1/2 the cost of Toyota.
    4.There are good dealers and bad dealers for all makes. Did you try another dealer or go to the same one? You may have gotten very satisfactory service from a different GM dealer. I know I have on several occasions. I won't go back to my selling dealer for so much as a light bulb. Thats a long story too.

    All this to say....I am not a loyal Chevy owner. I will buy whatever will give me the best value for my money. However, don't be too quick to give up on Chevy for the reasons I mentioned before. I could tell some not so good stories about Toyota cars from my mothers and sisters experiences also. Don't let one bad apple spoil the whole bunch.

    I too have fishd some tournaments. I remember the looks I used to get putting in my boat and taking it out with a Toyota among tons of Chevy trucks. The dissention was very apparent. I know that is trivial but it is something I thought about. I never liked being the outsider at the tournaments.
    It "was" pretty funny pulling in with my 4000 lb bass boat behind a Tacoma!! It pulled that boat really well.
  • Yeah, I went through several dealers as follows: first dealer attempted to fix first electrical problem. Not only did they fix it incorrectly they burned a hole through my new floor mats and carpet and when they replaced the carpet they did the worst job I've ever seen. the carpet had been not cut to specks and had bubbles everywhere. The next time the truck broke down (1 week later!!) for the exact same reason, a different dealer had it in the shop for a week trying to figure out what was wrong. A FRIGGIN WEEK!!!! I was under the impression these people were trained to fix all aspects or problems quickly. They told me,
    over the phone, after three days that they were working with techs over the phone from back east trying to fix it. Then after I left that shop thinking my truck was fixed, later on that evening when it was dark I notices that non of my inside lights were working and also my four wheel drive would not engage. Now I head back to where I bought this piece of sh** and have them fix it along with a couple of other warranty related problems. They call me later on that evening while I was at work and assure me everything is working properly. I personally asked the department manager to please double check everything so that when I get down to the shop I can be in and out so I can get back to work. He tells me that it will be done. So I head down to the shop and as soon as I get there and talk to the department supervisor he cannot find my paperwork. I had just talked to this idiot 30 minutes prior and now he cannot find this paperwork!! So he tells me to check out the truck while he searches for the paperwork. Within 10 seconds after checking out the truck I find out that I Have absolutely no rear lights working on the truck at all!!!! So I turned around and stared in disbelief at the service manager who turned absolutely as white as a ghost. He had to repair this problem while I waited. So instead of a five minute in and out deal I was there for over an hour!!!!! I cannot get them to do an easy oil change without the truck leaking oil twice from the oil filter at two different dealerships!!!!! I've changed the oil in the truck at least twice without a problem. By now this is 3 different dealerships!!! But I'm still not done!! Driver's side outside power window breaks and now I head to the 4th different dealership to get this problem fixed along with an oil change and a tire rotation. I leave the truck at the dealership at 8 a.m. because I need the truck back at 2 p.m. to go to work. The service manager told me that the earlier I brought the truck in the faster it would get fixed. He personally told me that the mirror would take an hour and the oil change and tire rotation would be about 45 minutes. So I arrive back at the dealership at 2 p.m. and I see the truck still parked inside the shop in the stall where it was left that morning. So I approach the service manager and ask if the work on the truck is finished. He replies that the tire rotation and the oil change are finished but they haven't even started to replace the outside rear view mirror and that if I could wait around for another hour and a half he would get someone right on it. It was all I could do to just tell that guy to give me my keys and get my paperwork so I could get the hell out of there. I WAS ABOUT TO GO CHARLES MANSON IN THERE BY NOW!!!!!!! They had my vehicle in there for 6 hours to do an
    hour and 45 minute job only to tell me that they could only get 45 minutes of it done? I scheduled this friggin appointment 2 weeks in advance!!!!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! Believe me they will never forget who I was with the fit I through at that shop!! My last episode was with the place where I bought the truck. When It broke down for the alternator I had it towed to them and they told me that they would try to get to it before the day was over. And my reply was very stern with this guy that he had better get someone on this truck asap or he was in for a real surprise. So he had it fixed three hours later and wouldn't give me a courtesy shuttle back to where I had to turn in the rental car that I had to pay for. I hate to be rude to people but the only time it seems that I got any courtesy from any of these nuckleheads was when I was buying this hunk of junk. I am not a hard person to please but I expect what I pay for and I haven't received this yet. I live in the seattle, wa area and I have been to delearships in Federal Way, Seattle, Renton, Kent, and Auburn,WA. and the only one that I believe I was treated respectable was in Auburn only because I was "PAYING" for a brake job!!! DO NOT BUY CHEVY VEHICLES, THEY ARE NOT "LIKE A ROCK" AND YOU HAD BETTER BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY THAT THEY SURE AND THE HELL ARE NOT THE MOST DEPENDABLE TRUCKS ON THE MARKET. Signed, have had my vehicle towed to the dealership 3 times in 2 years!!!!!1
  • zbad71zbad71 Posts: 226
    Well, I guess your mind is made up. Too bad Chevy couldn't get it right for you. I had the same experience with Ford. However, you could go buy a Toyota and get the exact same thing. I have witnessed it first hand.

    Good luck with whatever you buy. Shame on Chevy for not keeping your business. However, I still have confidence in Chevy trucks.
  • lvstanglvstang Posts: 150
    So when someone buys a new truck and has problems they should give Chevy another chance. But when zbad71 buys a USED Ford with 35000 miles on it it's junk and all Fords and their dealers are much worse. Hmmmm. No need to reply zbad. Anyone who's seen your responses knows you'll have a fit and start calling names.
  • zbad71zbad71 Posts: 226
    Yep. Your right. Your Ford trucks are awesome! They rule all the junk yards across America.
  • zbad71zbad71 Posts: 226
    If Fords were so tough, 35k miles of pure hell should not have made it as big of a pile of dung as it was. Even brand new, the 4.6l and 5.4l are dogs! Netiher of them could pull itself out of a pot hole!
  • marksiemarksie Posts: 14
    I was looking over the maintenance guide for the
    Tacoma and found every 15,000 miles you have to
    "Lubricate the propeller shaft and re-torque bolts"
    Then it says to: "Re-torque drive shaft flange
    bolts" What's the difference between the propeller
    shaft and the drive shaft? What do you torque the
    bolts to? Where are the bolts on the propeller
    shaft to torque? Where are the flange boltslocated? Thanks for any help.
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