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Mitsubishi Outlander

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  • gbrmg4gbrmg4 Posts: 6
    I'm considering an Outlander to replace my Cherokee. I canoe and kayak and need a decent roof rack. Checking both the Yakima and Thule websites neither company shows any product listing at all if you punch in the '04 Outlander. Does anyone have any experience with roof racks on the Outlander?
  • The '03 rack is the same as the '04. Yakima Lowrider towers and crossbars clamp to the OL factory rails. The Mitsu Sport Rack Kit is actually the Yakima unit. Ask the dealer to include the sport rack kit as part of the deal. Their cost on it is only about $140 so I would think it is a reasonable tactic. If they won't.. ask for the item at their cost.
  • I think we need to take a poll and see if anyone in the world is actually getting 26hwy with the AWD and 20city. Anyone want to be almost nobody is?
  • I am VERY anxious to check my mileage but that thing is not coming out of the garage until Winter departs...Winter is tough on mileage too. My old Expo which is the Mitsu 2.4 has done 32MPG in the Summer. In the Winter it is a LOT less. 27 would be a good number. Lately I'll bet it is 24 or less. Just an odd thought that probably means nothing....But, one time my Expo mileage fell badly..like 21ish...I started looking and eventually found a mouse nest under construction on the intake side of the air filter. We live in the sticks and that happens a lot! If your mileage is down I would pull a couple of plugs and see what they look like. If all is well, they should be a very light tan. Not white..If they are dark it could be a rich condition....
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Have you had any problems with the brakes wearing out quicker then normal or the rotors warping? One guy owned an 02 Galant with the 2.4 and was complaining about horrible mileage, with his average being about 17-18 mpg. He was also having problems with one of the front rotors warping. Come to find out, his brake caliper was sticking, thus overheating the rotor and severely reducing his fuel economy. After he had new calipers installed aftermarket, his fuel economy rose to 21-22 mpg. His dealer couldn't find the problem so maybe you are encountering something similar. Worth a look at least. My 03 Mitsu Diamante with a 3.5 V6 is averaging 19-21 mpg in all city driving and 25 on the highway, so your mileag eis definitely low for a four cylinder.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,830
    i found this out by accident.
    after driving for a while, spray water on each wheel with a hose. if one steams up, you found the problem. you could also CAREFULLY, see if one wheel seems warmer than the one on the other side(same axle). depending on how the exhaust is routed out, one side could be warmer than the other.
  • I tried the test as "exploerx4" suggested. Both front wheels steamed instanly. My question is though, don't all brakes do this after driving for a few minutes and using them? Wouldn't you hear a rubbing noise? If you jack the car up of the fron wheels and put the car in nuetral and turned the wheels could you tell that way too? Is there another way to test this theory? The dealer has yet to do anything for me.
  • Usually if they are dragging you can smell them...
  • No smells only steam from when I sprayed water on them.
  • Well...Let's see...Was the air temp low when you sprayed? It doesn't take much heat to make steam when the temp is low..Now if you heard sizzle then you have an issue! I had this same problem with my old Expo but it was due to many Winters of Mag chloride working by the caliper seals and corroding the caliper bores. When they were hanging they would smell and the hub was VERY hot to the touch. If you can get the car off the ground and turn the wheels you should be able to feel significant caliper drag...With AWD you need to get all wheels up though....This is an '04 Outlander?? If so I would have the dealer put it up and spin the wheels....I think a caliper problem with a new vehicle would be unlikely but who knows? Stuff happens with machinery...
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,830
    after driving, and using the brakes a bit, was to let it sit for a few minutes, then spray say the left front, followed by the right front. if you get a lot more steam from one side than the other, it's probably a sticky caliper. both the same, who knows?
  • Got an '03 LS grey that the wife picked out. It's her new vehicle. She's quite pleased with it as a replacement to her Ranger pickup. If she can average 23mpg I'm sure she'll be pleased coming from maybe 16mpg avg in her truck and I'll be pleased because for her driving style that will be good mpg.

    mitsuowner1, I hope you were attempting to be funny when you suggested "get a lawyer" as there is certainly far too much of that going on in this country already. What air pressure do you run in your tires? Where do you live because winter gas cuts 2-3mpg compared to summer gas. Driving style affects mpg a lot. There are numerous factors to consider, none of which warrant litigation.
  • I just bought an 03 Outlander. This is my first Mitsubishi. Overall, I am satisfied with the car, however, I am also experiencing the same relatively low MPG that other seem to complain about. When I bring it in for it's first oil change, I will mention it to Service. Right now, my wife uses the car, and we are averaging around 19 mpg. Also, this is a minor complaint, but it seems to me that when starting the car, the ignition sounds metallic and a little rough. Has anyone else have this problem, or is this just a Mitsubishi thing?
  • So I finally had the dealership test drive the car and of course they manage to come out and say they got 23mpg, driving 65mph. So they say if I drive 55mph and it's summer I'll get the 26mpg rating. So essentially we're all screwed and stuck with low mileage if you drive anything over 55mph and are not at sea level and the temperature is not 70deg+/-some degree??? So that means 90% of any Mitsu owner will never get anything close to the rated mileage. I certainly never will living in Wyoming where were at 5000ft, High winds, 85mph speed limit on the highway, and the only chance to go around 55mph for anything more then a mile is in a traffic jam of cows.

    I think litigation is needed in cases where NOBODY is getting the rated mileage on any of a certain manufacturers vehicles. IN fact FORD settled out of court on a similar lawsuit in CA dealing with their Explorers and bad fuel mileage.
  • "I certainly never will living in Wyoming where were at 5000ft, High winds, 85mph speed limit on the highway"

    First, at altitude and 85 mph there isn't a vehicle on the road that gets EPA mileage. Add high wind and it just gets worse. EPA mileage is done on rollers so there is ZERO wind resistance.

    Second, the key element in EPA mileage ratings is EPA. That's the federal government, not Mitsubishi.

    Third, Wyoming gets winter. Winter means winter gasoline which is a different formulation and costs 1-2 mpg compared to summer gasoline.

    Lastly, if you are so all fired up to sue over this then you are right there level with the shister that would take the case and pursue it.

    Try accelerating more lightly and when you get to about 70 mph quit pressing on the pedal. You'll probably pick up 1-2 mpg. Be sure the tires are inflated properly and if you want mpg then set them about 6 pounds higher than the door sticker suggests if you've driven to a station to air them and they are warm. If they are cold set them about 3 higher. That's a little more mpg. Make sure the air filter is clean, that's a little mpg. Make sure you are using a name brand good quality fuel, that's a little. Make sure you don't have a bunch of stuff in the car adding weight. Make sure you don't have cross bars etc. on the roof when you aren't using them. All those things cut a little here and there.
  • There are also discussions about fuel mileage on the Maintenance board (e.g. fuel mileage thread).
  • The EPA website yields full details on their testing, if one does some serious searching and reads some arcane text. The hwy mileage figure is taken by accelerating up to 59 mph in a slow fashion, taking a reading, and coasting back down. It is done on rollers not on the road. There is no wind resistance like real world driving. The fact any vehicle achieves their static number is surprising.

    The wife has been driving her Outlander a couple days now and is really enjoying it. Another nice surprise was the estimated payoff on the trade, based on a computer check and not talking to a live person, was about $560 too high so we'll be getting an adjustment that drops the payment about $10 a month.

    Updates as she gives them to me.
  • I have to agree. You have to evaluate the EPA numbers and procedures carefully and consider how they apply to your situation and motoring habits. Personally I have never seen a DOE number that I could not top. I look at those figures as a baseline only. Then tweak the vehicle and your driving habits to beat the number. It always works for me. With all due respect to the gentleman that is hoping for anything close to DOE numbers at 85MPH in the Winter I would advise NOT going to court with that complaint! I fear the outcome might be somewhat humiliating? In PA such a suit would no doubt be tatamount to an sworn admisssion of a traffic violation which would probably result in a citation and a fine of several hundred dollars!
  • Hi! I just bought my new Outlander last week and probably went against every car buyer rule in the book. Luckily, I had done my homework on many, many cars before that day. I originally started going to Mitsubishi to service my '99 Mirage. It had been bucking at 87k and turns out the trany was already going! So, my service manager introduced me to the general manager. I ended up choosing an '03 Outlander XLS 2WD in Royal Blue (there were only 2 03's on the lot anyway). I REALLY wanted AWD and ABS brakes, but way out of my price range considering I still owed 4k on my old car (terrible depreciation). Anyway, it's the week before big President's Day sales and I'm buying a car. Not smart, but stuck because if my trany goes before I buy, even if it were a week later, I would be out of luck and a car. I got it for $14,600, w/ 13k on it and had to tack on some of the remaining car loan from before. I really like it so far, I've put almost 200mi. on it in one week. The shift to the clutchless manual is definitely a bonus getting on a highway. Did I get a decent deal considering I didn't wait, bad timing, and had to settle for 2WD for a few years? Thanks!
  • That's not a bad deal on an XLS. I'm sure you will enjoy it. My wife really likes her LS so far.
  • I am a numbnut. It was listed nowhere, nor was I told that my Outlander XLS does in fact have ABS brakes. I didn't think it was standard, but my boyfriend begs to differ. am I that oblivious? Sorry, I wanted to clarify my previous statement for a better opinion from everyone. Thanks!
  • Has anyone encountered an irritating squeaking noise coming from the rear suspension of the Mitsubishi Outlander? I was told by the dealership that it is a common problem with the 2003 Outlanders and Lancers. They said that it was due to the cold weather in Canada, the rubber bushings get dry up and cause this squeaking to occur. To solve this problem, the bushings have to be replaced. However, this $10 (Canadian) part has been on back ordered for 2 weeks now and I was told that it would take at least a few more weeks for it to arrive
    from Japan.

    My question is: Has anyone out there encountered this problem and if so, do you have a recommendation for an interim solution?

    Thank you in advance.

    Luat
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,261

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  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    Last weekend the auto show was in town. As my wife will be getting a new vehicle later this summer, it was an opportunity to go and see all the potential contenders in one place and compare them. One of the vehicles we saw and were impressed with was the Mitsubishi Outlander; in fact, we liked it enough to stop at a Mitsubishi dealer and take a test drive. This review is my impressions of that test drive. We test-drove the Outlander XLS AWD, white with a gray leather interior and sunroof.

    Exterior

    Well, it certainly is distinctive. The Outlander is meant to compete with the Subaru Outback and Outback Sport, and while none of these cars are going to win any styling or design awards, the Outlander is just plain odd in places. The nose, specifically; I know that it shares design elements with other vehicles in Mitsubishi’s line up, but let me tell you, Jimmy Durante didn’t have a schnoz like that. Once you can get past that (if you can get past that), the rest of the shape is pretty inoffensive. Nothing real ground breaking, just nice, clean lines. The XLS model we drove has the clear tail light treatment that is all the rage these days; the LS trim level has red tail light surrounds. Another difference between the LS and the XLS is that the XLS has darkened rear windows; the LS has just a bit of tinting. The proportions between the upper and lower body, however, does look slightly odd, like the place where torsos and heads are meant to go don’t have enough room, at least when compared to the place where lower parts of the human body are.

    Strangely, my wife, who normally does not like white as a vehicle color (along with red and black) actually did not mind the white of our test vehicle. According to her, there is enough gray colored body cladding on the front and rear bumpers to break up the monotony of the primary color of the car. Other colors available are a bright blue, a darker blue, a moss green, charcoal, silver and burgundy. Interior colors are charcoal or tan, cloth or leather.

    Interior

    The interior of the Outlander didn’t scream “econobox” to me, which is a good start. Many cars these days have very generic, plastic looking interiors that I’m sure wear like iron but just don’t exude any pizzazz. Like the exterior, the interior is a lot of rehashed ideas, with one or two items that jump out; some good, some not so good.

    The driving position is nice; the drivers’ seat adjusts 10 ways, so it is not too hard to get a comfortable position behind the wheel. The steering wheel only adjusts up and down, but both my wife and I were able to make it work (when you are 5ft 11in and your spouse is 5 ft 3in, that isn’t always as easy as you think). The instrument panel is simple and easy to read, with white-faced gauges that are also quite trendy at the moment. The only real gripe I have is with the stereo, which looks like something from the 80’s. The sound is nice, but it only has a single CD (a 6-CD changer is a dealer installed accessory). Another throwback element is the analog clock (you remember, the kind with hands?), which is in a prominent position right in the middle of the dash. Storage bins are adequate, but if you have smaller children, you might find that there aren’t enough places to put all the small things you find you need.

    The rear seat is not too bad; not limo-like, but not cruel and unusual punishment for the rear seat passengers, either. The rear seats are split 60/40, and fold flat without having to do anything to the bottom cushions. There is a fold down armrest in the rear seat. The space behind the rear seats is larger than one might first expect, with an innovative trick that I would like to see duplicated by other manufacturers: under the rear floor, there is a space for the privacy cover to be stored when it is not being used. Quite slick!

    Driving Impressions

    The test drive was quite short – maybe 10 or 15 minutes total. As my wife will primarily drive the vehicle, I spent only a few of those minutes behind the wheel.

    The Outlander comes with only one engine and transmission choice – a 2.4 liter 4-cylinder engine that makes 160HP, with a 4 speed automatic transmission. Again, this compares to the Outback and Outback Sport, which has a 2.5 liter, 1645HP 4-cylinder. However, the Subaru’s are available with a 5-speed manual transmission as well. In the Outlander, this engine and transmission combine to make an OK amount of thrust. The test drive loop we were taken on was deserted business parks, not the open 2-lane roads and highways that my wife and I normally drive.

    With that being said, it is hard to determine if the car has enough “get out of its own way” power … a longer test drive may be in order. Given the test drive conditions, it wasn’t too bad. Transmission shifts were smooth and unobtrusive. Ride and handling seem to be as good as, if not better than, most of the “cute utes” (RAV4, VUE, Escape/Tribute twins, et al) – the Outlander has a much lower center of gravity, and seems more car-like in these respects. The ground clearance is nice, and the car rides high enough to offer great visibility.

    Final Thoughts

    The test drive really was not long enough to do a thorough evaluation of the car, but if first impressions are anything to go by, the Outlander seemed to do well. My wife was suitably impressed to keep it on her short list, and I have to say that, while I wasn’t overwhelmed, it is a nice little car with a few features that make it good for all weather capability. The Outlander also comes with a decent warranty, which may be an important factor to some folks. Price wise, our test vehicle, which was pretty much fully loaded (ABS is the other option our car had, along with the leather package), came in just under $25,000, which really isn’t too bad considering all you get for the price.
  • chrisbothchrisboth Posts: 493
    Dont pay more than 22.5!
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    Thanks for the pricing advice, but that's assuming that we buy the Outlander.

    It is still too early to make a final decision. As I pointed out, the biggest concern that we have is the lack of HP -- 160 may not be enough when one lives at 6000'. Other possibilities include the Saturn VUE (250), the Ford Escape (200) or the Subaru Forester XT (217).

    But, there were some nice qualities about the Outlander as well.
  • cambocambo Posts: 10
    Here is an update after 3000 miles with my 03 outlander.

    I bought a XLS 2wd with sunroof, infinity stereo, leather and abs. The vehicle was a steal with the 2000 dollar rebate and another 500 dollars for being a recent collage graduate. The Outlander is defiantly a step up from my Chevy s10.

    Engine-
    I drove the 4wd and 2wd and found the 2wd has noticeably more power. I live in California and would only need 4wd up in the hills during storms and those days I usually stay at home. I don’t find the acceleration bad at all. My wife’s car is a Mazda protégé5 and the outlander feels just as peppy and a lot quieter. Last week I drove to Reno and was pleasantly surprised at the Outlanders hill climbing ability. Especially going over Donner summit at 7500ft, I could hold 80mph and only remember dropping into 3rd once. The engine seems to have the most power around 3000 rpm. I like the manual mode feature. It helps to use the engine to brake on the long descents by dropping it into 3rd. My mileage has been going up on every fill-up. So far with all city driving I get 21mpg. Last week on my trip to Nevada I got 24.5 mpg. I thought this was great since I drove 75-80 for the whole trip and it was hilly.

    Interior-
    I love the look of the interior. The leather seats and white gauges sure give the vehicle an upscale feel. The heated seats work well on the few cold days we have in California. On the downside the all black interior was *&#@ hot today when the temperature hit 86 degrees. I can’t imagine what it will be like with 100 degree days. The stereo has great bass and will not need upgrading at all. I do think the sunroof is a little small.

    Problems-
    I have 2 issues with the car. One, I have a small rattle coming from the rear when I hit bumps. The second is a slight pull to the right on the freeway. I am going to get this checked out when I get my first oil change.

    Upgrades-
    I bought a Thule bike rack the fits perfectly on the roof rails. The only problem is I can’t use the wind faring so the rack adds a lot of wind noise.
  • Check to be sure the jack is stowed properly. If it is a little loose it can cause noise. We have an '03 LS that had the first oil change today at 3060. It's my wife's and she likes it more and more as time goes by. She was really talking it up yesterday to the roofer working on our house. They are really nice vehicles and I'm expecting a very good and very long relationship with this one.
  • rnn59rnn59 Posts: 8
    As a follow up to the various gas mileage posts that are here at Edmunds, my experience is this:

    1. Yesterday's April 4th trip from Agawam MA to Salem MA. and back, I calculated 23 miles per gallon which was all highway driving with a 2003 Outlander with AWD.

    2. In town driving I'm getting 20 miles per gallon.

    My other impressions after 11,000 miles on the vehicle are as follows:

    I have had no major problems with it. I do follow the recommended service schedule that is recommended by Mitsubishi. For what ever its worth, I do use Mobile 1 oil in the engine. I changed over to Mobile 1 after 6,000 miles on the engine. I have used Mobile 1 in all of my new cars since it fist came out.

    I like the way the car handles on the road. It's rock solid. On a trip I find the seats to be comfortable.

    The car was purchased from Howser Mitsubishi in Springfield MA. The only problems that I find at that dealership is that the service department is not open in the evenings and on Saturdays. I find that I have to take time off from work to get the car serviced. Another issue that I have with them is that even though you have the first appointment set for 8:00 in the morning, they do not take the car in until an hour later. They always have an excuse for not getting the car in on time as promised. That is my only complaint.
  • beagledogbeagledog Posts: 2
    Did you get any responses? I just bought a new 2003 and I have a severe pull to the left - can't take my off the road at all. I thought it was an alignment problem but when I called service they said the 2003 had a known problem in assembly and I would need to bring the vehicle in for at least a day as they would have to basically tear down the front end!!!!!! Now I'm torn between doing that, not believing them as a way for service to bill the parent, or wondering if I have a lemon. Other than the admittedly big problem I like it. Any advice you can offer woud be great!
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