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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    That applies to just about any car.
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    OK OK, I stand corrected, cheez :P
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    And what good is 300 horses if most of us live in a traffic clogged suburban or urban area, where average speeds are 20-25mph?

    Excellent point. How many people with lots of HP under-utilize their vehicles in city/suburban mundane type of driving - going back and forth to work each day or out shopping. I suppose their answer is that they could go fast if they wanted to.

    How many have lots of HP and handling and live way out in rural areas where they can truly put handling and HP to use. Probably not too many. I see many folks in Corvettes, BMWs driving very sedately on Interstates when I pass them in one of my vehicles (minvan). Many are driving about the same pace as golden seniors in their full-size Fords and Mercurys. They don't want to be noticed by police I guess. Maybe a large point of it all is "to be seen in it" and the perceived prestige. Notice that a lot of BMW, Corvette, Hummer, etc, type of owners like to park their vehicles in the driveway of their McMansions in the suburbs rather than pulling into the garage. They will even put them in prominent angles so that drivers-by can view them better.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Wow, you're pretty smart, grouping all BMW, Corvette, and Hummer drivers into one tidy little package (can you see my tongue firmly planted in my cheek?).

    I drive my Cinnabar Red BMW pretty sedately around town and on the freeway - not much fun no matter what your speed. Except for an occasional on-ramp apex or Sunday AM country back-road romp, I basically save my tires/brake pads for the racetrack, where I can really enjoy them in a controlled environment.

    Oh yeah, I always park my BMW in the garage. It keeps my car cleaner longer, which means I wash/wax less frequently. It also protects the dash, seats, and paint from premature fading or cracking, and helps keep the interior temperature more comfortable year-round. Finally, it also keeps the car out of view of potential thieves.

    So much for stereotypes, huh?
  • "...Notice that a lot of BMW, Corvette, Hummer, etc, type of owners like to park their vehicles in the driveway of their McMansions in the suburbs rather than pulling into the garage. They will even put them in prominent angles so that drivers-by can view them better."

    How many garages are big enough to fit a Hummer? That's my guess as to why you see them in the driveways.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    Wow, you're pretty smart, grouping all BMW, Corvette, and Hummer drivers into one tidy little package (can you see my tongue firmly planted in my cheek?).

    You are misquoting me. You said that I said "all", but I used the term "lot". Big difference. My quote from previous message:

    "Notice that a lot of BMW, Corvette, Hummer, etc, type of owners like to park their vehicles in the driveway of their McMansions in the suburbs rather than pulling into the garage."
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    we're here to talk about the cars, not our impressions of the drivers ...
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    Yes, it's dangerous to gun it in traffic, and you are likely to get a big ticket. My wife and I go driving to the CA Gold country where there are few cars and people, and then open it up. ;)
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "You are misquoting me... I used the term "lot"."

    A stereotype is a stereotype. Comments like that are insulting, and don't belong here.
  • dfc3dfc3 Posts: 87
    Smart Money magazine came out with their rankings of the 2006 cars by class - they rank the Audi A4 as best in this class.... Of course, for you HP fans, this is one of the lower ones in those terms.
  • dfc3dfc3 Posts: 87
    Not saying I agree with the study... just citing it
  • what was their rationale for that odd pick?
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Infiniti announced pricing for the 2006 G35 sedan. Base prices rose by $300, less than 1%. Prices of all packages stayed the same, even though they added Bluetooth and Sat. Radio.

    "The 2006 G35 sedan adds minor features.

    Enhancements to the 2006 G35 Sedan include:
    · Bluetooth® Hands-Free Phone system and satellite radio added to all Premium Packages
    · New exterior color – Liquid Platinum"

    "GARDENA, Calif. (Sept. 13, 2005) – Infiniti, the luxury division of Nissan North America, Inc., today announced 2006 model year pricing on the Infiniti G35 sedan. The 2006 G35 sedan adds minor enhancements for 2006, including available Bluetooth® Hands-Free Phone System, available satellite radio (XM® or Sirius™ providers) and a new exterior color – Liquid Platinum.

    The 2006 G35 sedan is offered in three well-equipped models. The G35 sedan model features a starting Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $31,300, while the G35 6MT model features a MSRP of $31,050. The G35 AWD model, with the ATTESA E-TS Intelligent all-wheel drive system has a MSRP of $33,100."
  • I care. Thanks for the info. Reminds me BMW needs to wake up and offer bluetooth as a standard option.
  • esfoadesfoad Posts: 210
    have they integrated the satellite antenna or are they still using the black "add-on" style?
  • i am curious as to see how the Bluetooth will be displayed without NAV
  • Why do you need a display with bluetooth? A wireless headset doesn't have a display and it works in conjunction with a cell phone. same principle...the car becomes one giant wireless headset.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    billyperks, I need for you to drop me an email as soon as possible - pat AT edmunds.com - thanks!
  • dfc3dfc3 Posts: 87
    Not sure... they mention their methodology and sources - but some of it seems to be their road testing.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    The great thing about magazines and the internet is that it makes an opinion seem very important. Quite frankly, there are a few magazines that really see that a car is to get you from point A to point B reliably and inexpensively. Well to the masses (as opposed to the super-rich) inexpensive is below $25K. A Toyota Avalon at $40K or a BMW 5 series at $60K, while certainly nice cars don't fulfill the missive of inexpensive.

    So to that end, all magazines that are self proclaimed car-review specialists get reviewed and the information promptly ignored.

    Having said that, I like cars over $25K also. But most magazines such as Forbes, Money, etc that publish these recommendations carry the same weight as my friends opinion.
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    That's why I rely on CR, a non-profit, who I believe shoots straight.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    They do, but their evaluations have not meshed with mine for a very long time. Therefore I find the only way to find a car is to knock on every dealers door and test drive every car you may be interested in. And that's what I do. In the end, I make the decision based on the utility/form and function and financials. Nothing else. I don't consult the statistics purveyors or the mags. Oh and if possible I do consult with people who have these cars to find out their experiences with the car and the dealer.

    The only time in many, many years I had buyers remorse is when I didn't get the M3.
  • dfc3dfc3 Posts: 87
    Depends upon what your criteria are. CR doesn't always give me what I'm looking for in their evaluation. What's important to one person isn't always what's important to another.
  • Just because an organization/publication is "non-profit" and doesn't accept ads doesn't excuse them from all bias, which is a natural human condition. They do have their own biases which thankfully are less virulent in the automotive sector. Their board is dominated by "consumer advocate" types who believe strongly in government regulation and intervention, an approach that can actually work against consumer choices and intangibles such as performance.
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    Click here

    1st BMW 330i
    2nd Lexus IS350
    3rd Infiniti G35
    4th Acura TL
    5th Audi A4 3.2 Quattro
    6th Cadillac CTS
    7th Volvo S60R AWD
    8th Saab 9-3 Aero
  • dfc3dfc3 Posts: 87
    Thanks for passing along. Interesting that Mercedes wasn't included. The C-series should be, IMO, right in there.
  • ventureventure Central PAPosts: 548
    "Mercedes-Benz didn't make it aboard the crazy bus because a C-class couldn't yet be had with the company's new DOHC 3.5-liter V-6."

    2014 Fusion, 2013 Impreza, 2015 Forester

  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I moved your post to the more appropriate Lexus IS 300 discussion. Here is a link: christina271, "Lexus IS 300" #2968, 19 Sep 2005 5:21 pm.
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    Really can't disagree strongly with the rankings, especially the 330i. I think the TL is a bit under under rated. But in terms of handling, the MB C class is very good. Did C&D complain the the C had too little hp?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    between the Lexus IS 350 and the E90 330iA: nyccarguy, "BMW 3-Series 2006+" #4340, 19 Sep 2005 11:22 pm. Hop over there and check it out, then come back here to discuss ...
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