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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Jeez, it's even worse that I thought. It appears that the IS250 will only be available in two pedal form as well (assuming that I interpreted the press release correctly).

    On the other hand, I suppose that "...a new 6-speed sequential manual transmission..." could be sort of like a motorcycle transmission, a real clutch pedal and some kind of a simple up/down gear shift arrangement. Hmmm, nah! That would be too wierd.

    Best Regards,
  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,952
    Just the AWD... the RWD 250 comes with six-speed stick standard..

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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    See my edited post above...

    To my way of thinking, the wording in the press release is kind of ambiguous, and as such, I don't know how to interpret it.

    Best Regards,
  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,952
    Yeah.. I didn't catch that.. Something tells me that copy should have been proof-read...

    I'm guessing a regular old six-speed.. I think the copy boy got his sequentials mixed up between the stick and the automatic...

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  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    It is confusing b/c they use the qualifyer "sequential" manual. The spec sheet at the bottom clearly indicates manual transmission, but I guess there can be different interpretations or definitions of the word "manual." Right, Mr. Clinton?
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Standard in the IS 250, a new 6-speed sequential manual transmission is designed to take full advantage of its free-revving V6 engine. A new sequential-shift 6-speed automatic will also be offered in the IS 250 and will be standard in the IS 350 and IS 250 AWD.

    The press release is not clear. It says “6-speed sequential manual transmission” in the text (above) and 6 M/T in the table. To me the former means auto clutch sans torque converter such as SMG and DSG. What is it?
  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,952
    it is just a plain old manual..

    I guess that wraps it up, huh? ;-)

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  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    What is the percentage of Manuals sold compared to Automatics with sedans?
  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,952
    I bet it is under 5% in the U.S...

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  • cybersolcybersol Posts: 91
    "6-speed sequential manual transmission" is the same wording they use for the MR2 Spyder's SMG like transmission. My bet is that you won't be able to buy the new IS with a clutch pedal. Guess they really did want the IS to fit in more with the rest of the Lexus line this time.
  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,952
    Wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth.....?

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  • cybersolcybersol Posts: 91
    7,217 - Acura TL
    5,706 - Lexus ES
    5,430 - Cadillac CTS
    4,956 - BMW 3-Series Sedan
    4,901 - Mercedes-Benz C-Class
    4,851 - Infiniti G35 Sedan
    3,107 - Acura TSX
    2,811 - Audi A4 Sedan
    2,377 - Infiniti G35 Coupe
    1,038 - BMW 3-Series Coupe
    439 - Lexus IS

    In general, it looks like sales are much more even across the top 6 models than in the past. It should be interesting to see how the new 3-series and IS shake the segment up over the next year.

    Enjoy, cybersol
  • 151ranch151ranch Posts: 109
    as my 95 850T appears to be ready for the junkyard. I can probably go a few months if they can figure out the fuel delivery problem since the engine/tranny are still in good shape but at 190k it won't be long.

    My priorities are: manual transmission, speed, handling, safety and decent gas mileage. Price range is 40k or less, and am willing to buy late model used. DH says no Volvo, MB or VW. I am willing to give Volvo another chance.

    I test drove the 5 series (530) and the 3 series (330xi and 330) last week, but there was no manual tranny available!!? Was not impressed - the slush box made my Volvo AT seem great and both cars were rather loud - the 3 series in a good exhaust way, the 5 series in a bad road noise way. The manual shift option was incredibly slow. I will try to test drive again at another dealer (for the manual). P.S. I-drive stinks.

    Was hopeful about the TL but having a hard time getting over the sheer craziness of the Navi/Voice control system and the dash lights were very glaring at night. I am not THAT old and am even some what of a computer geek but someone needs to tell these car companies to stop with all the #%@) junk in the interior.

    So what's left:

    CTS - well, I don't think DH will go for this either
    Wait for Mazdaspeed 6?
    Wait for new IS?
    pack the kids in the Mini Cooper S? (I did drive this, whoa is that fun)
    Subaru WRX
    Saab and Audi but dealers are 100 miles away

    What else is there?
  • bpointbpoint Posts: 2

    Isn't the TL Navi system an option with the 6 speed MT?

    The TL also has a dash light dimmer. I set mine real low. It has two settings, one for headlights off, one for headlights on. There is also a Max button that quickly toggles it between the max setting and your setting. The dealers set it to the MAX setting for some reason.
  • After reading your post, it seems your first priority should be finding out what DH WILL go for !!
  • kyfdx@Edmundskyfdx@Edmunds Posts: 25,952
    I'd look harder for a 3-series with a stick.. Big incentives on those right now, that will bring the price way down...

    Other than that, I'd go with the TSX..

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  • cybersolcybersol Posts: 91
    In addition to the ones you are looking at or waiting for, try these:

    Nissan Altima, Maxima
    Subaru Legacy GT
    Volvo S60 R, T5
    If there is an Infiniti dealer nearby, G35 6MT.

    I don't think the GS has a manual. If you would take a coupe in addition to a sedan then I could come up with more.

    Enjoy, cybersol
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    I agree that you should check out the G35, Nissan Maxima & IS350, if it comes in stick. I am also confused by your TL negatives. I've got a TL and 1stly, I think the voice-navigation is fantastic, and love how its been integrated with the radio and cliamate control. I really think it's something everyone could appreciate. 2nd, you can get the car without it. 3rd, if you want navigation, but have some sort of problem with voice controls, you don't need to use them. There's regular manual controls for everything, too.

    Re dash lights, as someone else posted, they're adjustable.
  • squirtdadsquirtdad Posts: 22
    Subaru Legacy GT (sedan or wagon) is another option to look at. The 2005 is more upscale interior than previous models. Performance is in par or greater than most of wat you have listed. (250 hp/250 ftlbs forge with turbo 2.5 liter)
  • squirtdadsquirtdad Posts: 22
    and I forgot....the infinit G35 sedan (with 6 speed :) )
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