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  • dougiexdougiex Posts: 6
    I feel your pain.....I just noticed a new kink in the side of my G35 and no idea where this comes from...and its quite deep too....I am the person that would park in the next postal code in a parking lot...drop off my passengers and then go park, or pull into those end spots and park really close to the side without a sparking spot. I sometimes park at the back of the lot with many empty spots to the left and right and empty rows to the back and front and people still park beside my car ????. No reason ever for anyone to be even close to my car...but somehow they find themselves there and batter the heck out of my car....sometimes I think my car must be a big magnet that just pull other cars in wherever I park.
  • dfc3dfc3 Posts: 87
    Count me as a turning radius enthusiast. In 25 years of driving, I never was concerned about it - never even thought about it. Of course, for 14 years of that 25, I had a car which had a tight (32') turning radius. I can't find any decent cars on the market that can match that today. Well... anyway, when I got my most recent car, the turning radius is between 39' and 40'. I'm appalled. I live in an urban area. I can't make tight turns. It takes 3 tries to get into parking spaces that I used to do in 1. I have now added turning radius tightness as a major consideration in the cars I'm looking at.
  • bdr127bdr127 Posts: 950
    I am the person that would park in the next postal code in a parking lot...drop off my passengers and then go park, or pull into those end spots and park really close to the side without a sparking spot. I sometimes park at the back of the lot with many empty spots to the left and right and empty rows to the back and front and people still park beside my car ????. No reason ever for anyone to be even close to my car...but somehow they find themselves there and batter the heck out of my car....sometimes I think my car must be a big magnet that just pull other cars in wherever I park.

    For whatever reason, cars that are conspicuously parked far away become a target for animosity.... I think some people viewed it as "snobby" and assume the owner thinks "my car is so good that it doesn't deserve to be near the commoners' cars." Whether that is the owner's intent or not, some other driver just have to lash out and be jerks.

    Obviously the car being parked far away isn't hurting anyone. In fact, it actually leaves more closer spaces open! It's really a cowardly act since there is often a low likelyhood that they'll get caught... Oh well... :confuse:
  • nicetrynicetry Posts: 1
    You guys sound like you are the only ones that want to park far away from others? My take on it is the majority who park close to you in those far away spots do so because they also want to get away from the ones that don't care about door dings and feel you may be considerate enough to not ding their car.

    With that said, there are still some idiots out there that aren't considerate and want to park next to a nice vehicle just to annoy you - although I believe they are far and few between simply because they are too lazy to walk ;)
  • newcarmannewcarman Posts: 55
    Anyone have any info on the new 2007 G35 sedan>>?? When will the car be available at dealers??

    How much redisgned will be be over the existing G35?? I hope its better!!!!!!!!!! even though i like this car too.

    I want to buy a G35 sedan but the main question is should i wait to when the 2007 comes out or go with the present G35. Any ideas people??
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Patience is a virtue in this case. Wait. I am sure the new G37 will be far more exciting in terms of performance/handling than the current model.
  • Plus the interior...

    rumor says that it will be somewhat closer to the new M series

    which is awesome... :D
  • usn_tlusn_tl Posts: 9
    Believe or not I was driving my 06 TL eastbound on CA-101 towards Los Angeles when I noticed what seemed to be an updated G35 sedan. It had a 3-digit license plate so I know it was a tester. It was diamond graphite/black leather and the exterior looked similar to the 06 G35 Sedan except it had dual exhaust outlets (like the 06 G35 Coupe) and a roof mounted antenna similar to the current BMW 3Series. I had a quick glanced at the interior (limited visibility) and it had a Navi similar to the 06 G.

    If this was going be the 07 model, it would be the coolest G35 Sedan to date, IMO. Sorry wasn't able to snap a picture :(
  • vchiuvchiu Posts: 565
    But the 330i Touring is on the European Price list already. Do you mean BMW don't plan to import it to Canada/US!? This wouldn't be smart. The touring is much more practical and does not force you to go for a heavier X3!
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    You are correct.

    Unfortunately the only way I can own a 330i Touring is to immigrate to Europe. And here in N. America the X3 or X5 are not my kind of vehicles since I live and work in downtown and always drive on paved city roads/highways.
  • vchiuvchiu Posts: 565
    I can't Get it. if the 330i is imported already, then getting an import/road licence for the Wagon version should be possible souldn't it? How can BMW N/A can overlook this?

    isn't it possible to import upon one-off order or through a "European Delivery" programme?

    For me, the wagon is a simple variation of the Sedan (size and weight very close) how wouldn't it be possible to import the wagon?? This is a real deal breaker, as the Wagon is sooo practical in comparison to the Sedan ( I moved coutless of stuff and have kids) without compromising the handling and performance/mpg too much.

    X3 is 250Kg too heavy and has low MPG. Don't even mention X5. 7/S/A8 have MUCH better MPG with same powertrains. No need to further comment
  • Hi. this is a great website. glad I found it. My husband and I decided we need to get another car given my outback can't be in two places at the same time and his '67 MGB--WHICH HAS BEEN IN THE GARAGE SINCE WE GOT MARRIED--isn't about to leave it soon, at least not in my lifetime. So as we were about to sign on the dotted line for an Avalon last weekend, we came to our senses in time and decided we weren't ready for the grave yet. So what do you buy when you don't want to end up with the babyboomers version of your parents' Pontiac? A G35coupe of course. Since this is a website for owners, surely you'll understand the logic.
    I haven't seen much discussion about the 06, so I'm hoping someone can enlighten me. Have the paint problems been resolved? have they upgraded the rotors? I am completely confused about the tires. I know we will need to buy snows--we live in Boston, and I've been traumatized since driving school a million years ago about hydroplanning in the rain, so what's the best tire strategy. Since I can't read a map, I like the idea of a nav system, but I don't like it that my husband can't reprogram it while I'm driving. Does this mean i should get a Magellean at Costco and defile the dash with it? Biggest question, and one that's been asked in another forum I think, should we wait until the 07 come out (and when is that?). We're planning on leasing. I'm thinking we should go ahead with the 06, allow time for the problems in the 07 to surface, and trade in for the 08, or something like that. Is there conventional wisdom about this?
    Please advise. Thanks. :)
  • mnrep2mnrep2 Posts: 200
    The paint is soft on most new cars,although it sounds like some posters have run into a relatively small batch of G35's that have problems with the clear coat. You would need snow tires with the coupe. Stay away from the G NAV option. For that money there are much better aftermarket solutions. The brake problems were nothing more than high performance pads that shed a lot of dust and wore out quickly. The 06 models have gone to a different type of pad. The new coupe will be out in 2007. If you did a two year lease now you could get the next generation model after it has been on the market for a year :D

    Why don't you look at and then test drive the G35x. You have AWD, (when you need it) four doors and pretty great performance and handling. I own a 05 X and love it. The only option I wish I didn't buy was the NAV, otherwise I am very pleased with this car.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Unfortunately BMW does not have an ED programme for Canadians. I believe in the USA the BMW ED programme is restricted to cars that are sold in US dealerships.

    Nobody in this forum seems to share our views on wagons. And that is not so bad for you as it is for me since I am on the wrong side of the ocean.

    I love the European selection of turbodiesels and wagons. In this continent there is very little buyer interest for such vehicles.

    When you say the word wagon or hatchback, many here think of their father's Ford LTD station wagon or their mother's Chevy Vega .

    And the word diesel arouses thoughts of those horrendous GM diesels that were sold in the 80s.

    At least MB and Audi provides a wider selection of wagons than the pitiful selection from BMW.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    We're planning on leasing. I'm thinking we should go ahead with the 06, allow time for the problems in the 07 to surface, and trade in for the 08, or something like that. Is there conventional wisdom about this?

    I am waiting to test drive and maybe buy the new Infiniti G37? Am I concerned about first year model issues. Absolutely not. Every car I bought was a first year model from a German luxury marque and there have been no issues whatsoever. I am confident there will be non-issues with the upcoming Infiniti.

    And what if there is an issue? If it's under warranty it will be fixed and become a non-issue, at least that is the case if you dont buy a VW or a Range Rover.
  • vchiuvchiu Posts: 565
    Yes, we are on the same line. Germany is my place to be with second hand wagons very easy to find.

    Well for me, I am based in China now and neither Audi nor BMW nor MB import wagons here. People buy such brands for social status, so 'utilitarian' models are excluded.

    Moreover, there are heavy import taxes. a C230K Sedan will cost you US$85K. Can't even imagine paying such a price for any car.

    So I still think there is always worse than bad
  • bdr127bdr127 Posts: 950
    Really good and informative article on BMW and their new technologies and future plans.

    Autoweek Article
  • bdr127bdr127 Posts: 950
    Sorry for the cross-post... (Posted in ELLPS, LPS, and HELM) Since the news applies to all of these cars, didn't want to leave anybody out! :P

    BMW Announces New iPod Interface With Expanded Model Availability and Features
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    ...Look at an Avalon anyway. Sort of a big car aimed at older folks with a more reserved driving style.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Not that I'm any fan of Toyota, however, a holed A/C condensor is neither all that unusual or indicative of poor design. Similarly, being required to pay for the repairs is not an indication of poor service as this type of repair is normally covered under your comprehensive insurance. Call your insurance agent and let us know what you find out.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • davids5davids5 Posts: 2
    I am stationed in Germany and am a big MB fan.The MB C class is a great car and has received a face lift last year in Germany and most important a new line of motors to include a v6 C350 which in Germany is rated at 272hp and I believe you can get a 6 speed manuel with it.And about two weeks ago I had heard that MB and Bosch have developed a new fuel injection system that would give the 350 motor (3.7 liter) over 290 hp. They also have a couple of awsome V8's out 450(330-345hp) 500 (388hp)and the AMG63with around 515 hp and torque that will break your head off your neck............
  • cc12359cc12359 Posts: 31
    Can these handle better than a NSX?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,410
    i know he said "any", but it is a SEDAN board, so we should assume he meant any in this category.

    besides, that post was over a month ago.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • primetime79primetime79 Posts: 18
    Let me preface my post by unequivocally stating the mere facts. I am not an automobile professional. I have no loyalty to any automobile manufacturer. I enjoy a exhilirating driving experience.

    Three years ago (2003), I was in the market for a sedan that had a certain level of sport and luxury. I narrowed my search to four cars. 1.) BMW 330I 2.) Audi A4 1.8T 3.) Lexus Is 300 4.) Infinity G 35 . Quickly this search was down to two as the Lexus IS 300 had absolutely nothing to offer in the form a luxury offering and the Infinity was much of the same although not to Lexus extreme. The "feel" of the steering wheel and all other components of the Inifity made it quite apparent that the build quality of this car was not up to par. So it was down to two cars, The BMW 330I and the Audi A4 1.8T. The 330I was much faster than the A4, but to me it lacked the handling prowlness of the A4. Maybe it's me, but the 330I was not impressive at all. I felt like it was a regular family sedan. I have nothing against BMW, but sometimes I wonder if sometimes their maybe a little bit of brainwashing or speaking something to existent, with the over hyped driving (handling) experience. For me it came down to the getting the best car for ME. The A4 exemplified te best handling (feedback), the best interior. The build quality on this car was impeccable.

    Unfortunately due to circumstance beyond my control (wife) I had to trade in my Audi a year ago for a SUV. Fast forward to the present, and I have been blessed to make the same purchase decision again. Again it came down to the eact same 4 cars with a little thought given to the Acura TSX. But after a close up encounter with the TSX , while the car is a phenomenal value it was apparent is was nothing more than that a "phenomenal value". So i test drove the same 4 cars again. The Infinity now with the 6MT was a nice car but lacked in the same area interior refinement and the short throw clutch felt like my brothers 95 Mitsubishi Eclipse (cheap). Next on the list was the Audi. The new Audi A4 had undergone some minor changes most notably HP improvement. Overall the car was better than the one I once had, but suprisingly was 6k more similiarly equipped. This posed a problem.

    It was then down to two cars the IS 350 and the 330I. Lots of people do not like the new 330I exterior. But I think while it may not be a sporty as the IS per se, it is definielty more profounding and unique. As usual when I went for my test drive of the BMW i walked into the dealership and was treated as an outkast. I guess this car either sells itself, or I did not look like the typical BMW client ready to make a purchase. In my usual car shopping attire I wore shorts, flip flops and a white wife-beater shirt with my bling bling on. Finally someone came to help me and I was in the BMW 330I. First glance of the 330I interior I did know what to think. After 30 seconds of looking at it, this understated interior started looking growingly bland. Once on the road, I could not figure out what all this Hoopla was about. Immediately I went straight to Lexus dealership to figure out what changes Lexus made to the IS. At first glance I fell in love with it's beauty. I then told the sales person order me a black on black with navi, but it has to be manual. It was at that time my heart was broken. No manual for 350. Never had I ever thought, I would own a sports/luxury car that was not manual. But the sales person was adamant that I at least try it out. The rest is history. I am a proud owner of a IS 350 Crystal White Navi. This car is not only super quick but handles excellent. I have driven it several times with the VDIM off and it makes a huge difference. Around corners with the VDIM on it cuts the throttle to quickly. I must advise the average driver to be careful, because this is a RWd car and they tend to spin out rather quickly. But after two weeks of owning it I am extremely ecstatic about my decision. I personally think BMW might be overhyped, Audi are underpowered, Infiiniti are built with less interior refinement and overall build quailty. Lexus Is 350 for me at least is the perfect blend, if you do not want to buy the car do not test drive it!!!!!!!!!

    p.s sorry I am a little long winded
  • pgsmithpgsmith Posts: 24
    My experience @ BMW was similar. Obviously I did not conform to their image of a BMW owner having worn a t-shirt and shorts into their showroom. They wasted no time in regaling stories of who they knew when I explained where I worked (Ho-hum, I was there to see the vehicles). After we spent (too much) time in the the salesman's cubicle, I learned they did not have a car with the equipment they learned I might be wanting, but they would happily order it for me.

    I said great, but I wanted to actually drive a car to see if the car was really what I would like. I was told that:
    1. They did not even have a car that had an automatic (wife's requirement, not mine) I could test drive (which I saw later the same day on the lot). :confuse:
    2. They would not let me test drive a red car since I was not interested in red and that would put miles on a car someone else would buy. :confuse:
    3. They had a blue one waiting to be prepped. When I indicated that it might be OK to accept blue, The vehicle was not prepped even within a week, at which point I had to "make them" let me test drive the red one. :confuse:

    End results:
    1. I was offended by their arrogance. :mad:
    2. I was not very impressed by the vehicle.
    3. I bought a competitors vehicle (C280), which I am happy with.
    4. I will continue to vehicle shop in the future in shorts, jeans, t-shirts, flip-flops, running shoes, as this will help me decide about they ability of the dealership to be confident in the car not try to sell the "image".
    5. I will leave immediately any dealer who gives me this type of treatment in the future.
  • redsoxgirlredsoxgirl Posts: 67
    I respect your right to have the opinion that the IS350 is the right car for you, but I strongly disagee that it is even close to the "best luxury/sport sedan" on any objective basis.

    Clearly you have a different definition of "sport" than I do as it pertains to how a car accelerates, handles, steers, brakes, performs - as well as how connected to the road and driver it is. As evidence:

    The 330I was much faster than the A4, but to me it lacked the handling prowlness of the A4.

    How anyone could conclude the "handling prowess" of a 60/40 imbalanced FWD A4 is superior to that of the 50/50 balanced RWD 330i is an enigma. Are you sure you weren't overly enamored with the interior of the A4 to forget to put it through a serious test drive against the 330i?

    Never had I ever thought, I would own a sports/luxury car that was not manual. But the sales person was adamant that I at least try it out. The rest is history.

    Again, perhaps having come out of a 170 hp A4, you were enamored with the 300+ hp IS350. But that automatic transmission removes any "sport" there might have been in the car for me. Sorry, drag racing doesn't fit my driving style.

    I have never owned a BMW and I am not sure I ever will. But in searching for a compact to mid size sport sedan to replace my Boxster S this fall, the IS350 doesn't make the long list, let alone the short list on the "sport" criteria. Great little luxury car, perhaps. True sport sedan compared to the 3-series, no way. At least not for me.
  • primetime79primetime79 Posts: 18
    Just ought of curiousity. Have you ever test driven the IS 350 before. Because the paddle shifters in sport mode on this car is butter smooth. The car has excellent steering feel. My only complaint is the VDIM killing the throttle to early when the wheel starts losing traction. I guess I am just curious how 9/10 reviewers can say the IS wins in 95% of objective measures and then say the BMW handles/feels/brakes better and declare them a winner.
  • redsoxgirlredsoxgirl Posts: 67
    Just ought of curiousity. Have you ever test driven the IS 350 before. Because the paddle shifters in sport mode on this car is butter smooth.

    Yes, I've driven the IS350. My cousins own a Lexus dealership and they will sell me one (or any Lexus model) for their cost, so I had hoped to like it. The IS350 is a decent automatic. But it's an automatic. It's probably better than BMW steptronic, comparable to the Mercedes/AMG "manumatic" and not as good as the Porsche tiptronic. And I would never own one of those. I wouldn't even be happy with the BMW M3 "SMG" transmission. It's not an "objective" performance thing for me, it's a subjective feel, control and driving enjoyment. If you are enough of a "driver" to have tested the limits of the VDIM and don't like that interference, I am surprised you don't agree, but that's your perogative.

    I am just curious how 9/10 reviewers can say the IS wins in 95% of objective measures and then say the BMW handles/feels/brakes better and declare them a winner.

    I think your curiosity stems from thinking that 2 or 3 objective performance measures capture the entire essence of driving feel and enjoyment - and even true performance - for everybody. Gross oversimplification. As a management consultant, I spend 60 hours a week boiling down complex business strategy and financial issues to a few spreadsheets, graphs and Power Point slides. But at the end of the day, I can immediately tell you what executives "get it" and what ones don't, by how much they go behind the numbers rather than focus on them. So the last thing I'm going to do is pick my next car by looking in the back of Car and Driver or Road and Track at a bunch of statistics without spending a lot of time in the drivers seat froming my own subjective opinions.
  • primetime79primetime79 Posts: 18
    Apparently we have a few things in common as I too am a financial/management professional (Senior Investment Analyst). I honestly felt exactly the same way you did about automatics before I test drove the IS 350. This is the first automatic I have ever owned. The reason I don't have any significant issues with the VDIM is because it only comes into play when I feel like driving the car to it's limit (2% of the time). And besides as I mentioned you can easily turn it off in 15 seconds by starting the car with the parking brakes then tapping the brakes twice then the park brakes twice then the brakes twice. This takes no more than 15 seconds.I love my 350 dearly, however my first choice would have been the M3 if I was only patient enough to wait for the new M3 to come out.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,275
    It's not just BMW.

    I was put off, long-term, five years ago when I stopped in at a Lexus store during my lunch break. I didn't come in wearing flip-flops or a t-shirt, but endured indifferent treatment all the same.

    Even if the I250/350 was worthy (which it isn't, for me), I'd think (at least) twice about ever darkening the doorstep of a Lexus dealer again.

    I'm sure most are better.

    Mine, here in Phoenix, wasn't. That Lexus service thing is something I read about -- I certainly didn't experience it.
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