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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Check it out yourself, use zip code 30360 with Lexus' "Build your GS". Lexus (and Toyota) is funny, different area has different packages and the Southeastern region is a lot different than the others. That's another reason I would like to find out which Lexus dealer he was referring to.

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    Base MSRP* $46,100.00
    • Standard Features

    Available Packages $5,265.00
    • Navigation System/Mark Levinson® Audio System Package with Additional Options
    - Navigation System/Mark Levinson® Audio System Package
    - Rain-sensing variable intermittent windshield wipers with mist control, headlamp washers and Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS)
    - Intuitive Parking Assist
    - Power rear-window sunshade
    - Ventilated front seats
    - Rear spoiler

    Accessory Options $0.00
    • Rain-sensing variable intermittent windshield wipers with mist control, headlamp washers and Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS) Included
    • Intuitive Parking Assist Included
    • Power rear-window sunshade Included
    • Ventilated front seats Included
    • Rear spoiler Included


    Delivery, Processing & Handling Fee† $715.00

    Total MSRP** $52,080.00
  • Wait a second. To get AFS lights you need to get 3 packages?!!!

    Why is it the Japanese won't sell everything ala carte? If it's not standard equipment, it should be an option.

    Dumb, dumb, dumb pricing model. So a 32k car is really about 39k with afs lights, performance tires and moonroof. Still cheap but good grief!

    I guess 37k should be easy then. That's a hair less than a 335i with the features I normally get.

    And don't start in with the "well this will have x,y and z". I realize that. Navi, back up screens, etc are pretty worthless to me.
  • whats the website you are getting the infiniti prices from?

    also, what is in the premium package? and so does that mean if I get a regular G35 with auto transmission I cant get a navigation system? Also curious as to what the difference is between a standard G35 and a journey

    I wish Lexus and Infiniti would just follow Acura's of making pretty much everything standard and the only options are a nav system and exterior things (spoilers, rims, etc etc) I dont like how Lexus quotes something like starting as low as 31,000 or whatever it is but then you come to find out you can't ever get the IS for that price because you are required to get a package.
  • mz6greyghostmz6greyghost Posts: 1,230
    I wish Lexus and Infiniti would just follow Acura's of making pretty much everything standard and the only options are a nav system and exterior things (spoilers, rims, etc etc)...

    Why? So I can pay for, and be stuck with, crap that I don't want, need, or even care for?
  • I was invited to the G35 launch party by my local dealer yesterday; got a chance to check it out (no drives). The car looks pretty good; and the interior is far and away better than the previous G. The display car was a G35 Sport and was fully loaded with Nav et al. Listed for 39,500. I would say one should be able to get a very nicely optioned one for around 35k.

    One thing I noticed; the sport seats have auto side bolster adjustment on the seat back as well as the lower part of the seat. Will report back after I drive one....
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    whats the website you are getting the infiniti prices from?

    Try "The All-new 306-hp 2007 G Sedan" link at the bottom right hand corner at the Infiniti website (www.infiniti.com).
  • thank you..i was just looking at the top :) these are due out in november right? I thought I was sold on a TL, but the G35 is making me rethink this one
  • drewsrxdrewsrx Posts: 57
    However, there are still some options which the IS and 3er offer and the G doesn't have.

    What are those options exactly?
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    "Why is it the Japanese won't sell everything ala carte? If it's not standard equipment, it should be an option."

    Acura does (except for a manual tranny option in the TL for 07).
  • drewsrxdrewsrx Posts: 57
    I guess 37k should be easy then. That's a hair less than a 335i with the features I normally get.

    What features would you normally get?

    A stripper model 335i sedan with just (Real Leather & Sports Package) costs $42,920.

    IMHO, $6,000 isn't a "hair less."

    I just priced out a fully loaded 335i sedan and it came out to be $53,865.
  • Remember that the CPO programs were built to deal with the volume of cars coming off-lease. Mfs wanted to stop those from competing closely with new car sales *except* to the extent the mfr themselves can make money off the sale. So,
    CPO
    1. Raises the price of used vehicles, which makes new more attractive
    2. Raises residual values on new cars, which also makes the NEW vehicle sale more attractive
    2a. Because of 2, mfr can keep the MSRP up on new, and may avoid discounts or incentives.
    3. When the mfr buys back off-lease cars, they can determine when + where they go back on market, again with an eye towards supporting new car sales.
    4. The mfr gets a fee to place a car in the program.

    Notice that "saving you money" was not one of the business reason for creating the program. So CPO is useful for vehicles that probably won't ring up non-covered repairs or non-covered annoyances - typically 'Lexus' or Acura'. Any leased vehicle was is less likely to have been well cared for.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "Notice that "saving you money" was not one of the business reason for creating the program. So CPO is useful for vehicles that probably won't ring up non-covered repairs or non-covered annoyances - typically 'Lexus' or Acura'. Any leased vehicle was is less likely to have been well cared for."

    Just as an fyi, any company I do business with does not want to "save me money", in fact, they want to extract more money from me.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    What are those options exactly?

    For example...

    Ventilated front seats (heat and cool)
    knee airbags (standard on IS)
    stardard 13 speakers + subwoofer (G35 has standard of 6 speakers)
    Radar cruise

    I know for some these are not important options (for me as well, I don't have any of these except the stardard airbags and audio system). However I am just trying to back up my previous statement. ;)
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Use zip code 20815 for Chevy Chase Maryland and you can get a GS350 AWD with Navigation and (forced to buy) $400 ventilated seats for $49,065.

    So, I guess I was unintentionally correct, Lexus apparantly does assume folks from Atlanta are unable or unwilling to shop around other regions and, therefore, forces you to buy a $5,000+ package just to get a bloody Nav system. :confuse:

    I think I better stop before I get fired up. Lexus may build a reliable luxury car, but deep down I still find they do too many things like this BS crap in Atlanta that remind me of their bush league parent, Toyota. And, with the DC area Toyota dealers like Darcars, Rosenthal and a few others, "bush league" is a compliment. Acura's pricing policy throughout the US is about as straight as they come. I'm pretty sure Infiniti doesn't have a "regional" package pricing strategy. I know BMW and Porsche charge the same price for individual options to everyone in the US and don't insult Southerners' intelligence. So why is it that Lexus is mooning Atlanta buyers with the "take it or leave it, you can only buy it this way" attitude? :confuse:
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Apparently there is a long history why us Southeasterners got screwed when purchasing a Toyota or Lexus. It was something like in the Southeast there is an individual distributing center whom purchase the car from Toyota/Lexus then distribute them to the Southeastern dealers. Everywhere else in the country the dealers deal with Toyota/Lexus directly. The reason for that is way back in the 60's/70's when Toyota was trying to explore the Southeastern market they need some local support so today they are stuck with this "Southeastern Distributor".

    I know this is BS and I complained to my dealer when I was ordering my IS. My sales told me that if I was willing to wait 4 months then he can special order one for me and I can have whatever I want on it. I told him BS and just choose the basic option (18" wheel and accessories). The only other options that I really want are the ventilated seats and HID lights. But in order to get the ventilated seats I'll have to order the $2000 package with the woodtrims which I don't want and to have the HID I have to get the $4000 package with all the bollognies which some I don't even recognize. :sick:

    Luckily so far I am very happy with my IS350.
  • I would definitely do ED for my 335 (as I did for my 2006 e90 330i - 35.7k). With leather, sport package, comfort access and PDC (swivel xenons and moonroof are standard) it's a bit over 37k ED.

    Things that i demand: 6 speed manual, leather, xenon, sport package, moonroof, swivel headlights (once ya have 'em, ya never wanna leave em), comfort access/keyless go.

    I'll give the G35 a spin next year (08 models) as I need to order my next car around Dec 08 if I want to beat the end of my lease.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,398
    Swivel headlights...

    They bother me.. I always leave the swivel part disabled..

    That is just me, though....

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  • Leave the swivel disabled? Didn't know you could disable 'em.

    Wow, after just 7 months with swivels, they seem to go with xenons like peanut butter and jelly. I turn, the headlights do the same and I'm as giddy as a nerd before a new star wars movie.

    Makes for some fun, illuminating drives in the boonies.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,398
    Well.. Ours is an E46.. and the swivel only works when you have the headlights in automatic mode... with the switch to the left.. When the switch is in the normal ON position to the right.... no swivel.

    EDIT: I do love the xenons..

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  • Cool. It may be so with the e90 too. I've always had the lights in the auto position and I glossed over that stuff while reading the manual. Programming the OBC was more important to me at the time. Guess I can look back at the manual...it's on my work computer somewhere. :)
  • Habitat-My beloved TL-S is no longer with me, I sold it back in September to some guy in the neighborhood.
    You know I would not come on these boards and lie about pricing.Lexus of Westport in Connecticut was willing to sell me the GS350 AWD on September 30 2006 at around 9:15 am for 44k.I was the first customer that morning and I was attended to after their morning meeting.Take that to the bank LOUIE.
  • How do you see the 2007 TL pricing compared to the G35?
  • starman98starman98 Posts: 119
    I beliieve the G35 shares some parts/components with the Altima. Hence the Altima is being redesigned this year as well.
  • esfoadesfoad Posts: 210
    Actually Altima shares a platform with the Maxima. They are both FWD. The G35 shares a platform with the M series, the FX series and the Nissan 350Z.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,382
    Does anyone have any feedback on the comparison with the current 330 vs. the S4?

    I was interested in the driving dynamics considering the I6 vs. the 4.2L. The Audi does have some extra 300 lbs. but 40 more ponies to compensate.

    Thanks,
    OW
  • 330 is no more. Unless you're talking about last year's 2006 model. It's the 335 now. The S4's a good 9k more than the 335i sedan. 9k in mods can make an already fast (sub 5 second 0-60 runs for the 335) 335i ludicrously fast.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    Paul,

    76' years old. Well I congratulate you on your longevity pal. I hope many years to follow you pal. I'm almost 28 yrs. old and hope to make it as long as you have "god willing" and hope many good drives in your G35 await you. ;)

    Yes the G35 is a nice piece and if the Cadillac CTS, can match what the G35 delivers then GM, will have a helluva a car. :)

    Rocky
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Give it time. I'm sure the tuners were already salivating at the thought of "tuning up" a 335. The 335 with the auto transmission, recorded sub-5 second run. I'm sure these mods won't come cheap.

    The value crowd will eschew these upgrades and still proclaim the G35 "value" king. :)
  • i'd guess 700-800 bones for a good cpu upgrade. Dinan will probably charge in excess of 1k but then again, the warranty hit won't come along. I know I'd be happy to drop $1500 if it meant my car had 50 more hp and 50 ft-lbs of torque.
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