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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • G35: 3497 (19/26)

    The poor gas mileage alone would keep me from the G35. Lexus and BMW are smart to have smaller engines that get 30+ mpg.

    I know a lot of shoppers are looking more and more at the EPA MPG figures as a major factor in picking one model over another.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    The 4.9 secs to 60 that C&D recorded was amazing for this car, but I had assumed the car tested had a manual transmission. In fact, it had an automatic. I don't see how they could get a much faster number even with a manual.

    One of the mags (maybe R&T) said it lacked low end grunt. Who cares?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,401
    Nissan credit. They're offering a 6-speed manual transmission with a sport suspension & a limited slip differential. Very impressive indeed. Of course I'd have to drive one to make more informed comments.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    "Judging from some of the previous G35 posts, my guess would be in heavy stop and go traffic 19 would be an optimistic figure."

    The EPA city estimates are optimistic for all cars in heavy stop and go traffic.

    Check out CR's mpg data. EVERY car, including all Lexus and BMWs, got significantly worse city mileage than the EPA figures. And it was just "normal" city driving.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    "G35: 3497 (19/26)

    The poor gas mileage alone would keep me from the G35. Lexus and BMW are smart to have smaller engines that get 30+ mpg.

    I know a lot of shoppers are looking more and more at the EPA MPG figures as a major factor in picking one model over another."


    So, the G35 (22.5 mpg) gets 2 less mpg than the 335i (24.5 mpg) and the IS350 (24.5 mpg). At 12,000 miles per year, the G35 requires more 43 gallons, or $130 more per year. Big deal, considering that a G35 will be $4000 cheaper than a IS350 and $8000 cheaper the 335i, all similarly equipped.

    Heck, take that $4000/$8000 and put it in a money market account, which guarantees about 5% per year these days. That gets you $200/$400 per year, which more than pays for the $130 extra gas for the G35.

    That said, I do think that Infiniti would be smart to bring the G25 with the new 2.5 VQ HR engine here. It'll be offered in Japan, so shouldn't be that big a hassle.
  • The poor gas mileage alone would keep me from the G35. Lexus and BMW are smart to have smaller engines that get 30+ mpg.

    Lexus uses a 3.5 liter, just like Infiniti. Comparing apples to apples as some here say. someone shopping an IS250 and satisfied with its power wouldn't even bat an eye at the G35.

    BMW's 3.0 gets 30 mpg. But again that engine is leagues beyond the IS250.
  • Agreed about the G25. Or at the least, put the old 3.0 VQ from the late 90s with 225 HP in the car. That was a great engine. Infiniti could drop it in and lower the starting price 3k. I'd bet that the G30 would sell like hotcakes and increase Infiniti's sales a good 20k units a year.

    Plus that was a great engine!
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    A friends G35 got 15/16 in the same type of traffic I commuted in. My BMW had about the same deviation, few mpg less.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    That's what I would do if the G35 was the car I wanted.

    But if one leases, the BMW could be on par to the G35 in terms of payments. Mileage might swing the sale.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Right now I am driving all city with my IS350 and I am getting 20 mpg. Oh and by the way, I am by no means a light footer.

    I believe the EPA figure for IS350 is 19/28.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    BMW's 3.0 gets 30 mpg. But again that engine is leagues beyond the IS250.

    I believe you were referring to the current 325i's 3.0 right? If that's the case I really don't know how it is "leagues" beyond the 4GR-FSE.

    325i - 3.0 I6 with 215 HP.
    IS250 - 2.5 V6 with 204 HP which features direct injection.

    I think the only area that the 3.0 is beyond the 4GR-FSE is its bigger displacement. However, if you were referring to 330i's 3.0 then that's a whole different story.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "I think the only area that the 3.0 is beyond the 4GR-FSE is its bigger displacement. However, if you were referring to 330i's 3.0 then that's a whole different story."

    It's an odds on bet that he was referring to the 3.0. My 328i and my 530i along with blueguydotcom's 330i ZHP were all able to easily return > 30 MPG. Historically speaking German cars have been tuned to return good mileage at very high speeds and as such they don't do well on the hokey EPA tests as the top speed there is well below the sweet spot for fuel economy on these cars.

    Said another way, even though my 530i was just broken in (i.e. 1,300 miles), it was still returning about 24 mpg with the cruise control set at 125 miles per hour. Not too shabby. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    A VQ 3.0 HR engine would be nice. They could probably tune it for about 260 hp. But it doesn't exist, at least not yet. They only have a 2.5 HR and a 3.5 HR engine so far.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    All I'm saying is that a gas spending difference of $130 per year shouldn't be that big a concern. At least, it's not to me.

    Anyways, I do agree that BMW has good lease deals. But, if you find a lease deal on a 335i that's the same as a similarly equipped G35, let me know. Because I'll be all over that.
  • I am comparing the G35 to the smaller engine IS and 3 series. The difference will be more than $130 a year. The IS 250 gets 24/32. If every day driving is G35 is about 19mpg and the IS is about 26 mpg than there is real savings to be had. People care more about the gas prices than they used to and a lot do not want/need the fastest engine in these cars.

    BMW/Lexus has an option to get the style, luxury, etc and the higher gas mileage. Infiniti does not. I eliminated the old G35 on that basis and chose between the Lexus IS 250 and BMW 325. BMW dealership did not have a car equiped as I wanted and Lexus did and gave me a good deal. I wanted atleast 30mpg on the hwy since I drive a lot.

    Infinit will do well, but the lack of engine options will hamper it after the newness is over.
  • In the realm of engines that get 20-30 or 24-32, I'd expect to compare the low ends the same way.

    07 G35 - (15k miles /19 mpg) x 3.30 = 2605
    06 IS250 - (15 k miles / 24 mpg) X 3.30 = 2062
    06 330i - (15 k miles / 20 mpg) X 3.30 = 2475

    So yeah the IS250 gets great gas mileage but it's a really lousy car, imho. It's easily worth $400-600 to me per year to not drive an IS250.
  • I did not say that you cared about the difference, but many people do. The difference in real world driving will most often be bigger. I would expect a real world mpg difference of 6-7mpg. Since Lexus sells more IS250s than 350s (Audi sells more 2.0t vs 6cyl, etc) it leads me to the conclusion that most people do not care about overall speed.

    PS - How is the IS a "really lousy car"? Speed on par with the smaller engines of other brands Audi, MB, BMW, etc. You may not like the car, but calling it lousy looses you credibility. I chose the Lexus over the BMW, but I can see how people like the BMW. There is really no lousy car in this segment; just choices with different attributes. For example, what car matches the "lousy" interior of the Lexus?
  • "What car matches the lousy interior of the Lexus?

    Audi.....

    Next question
  • "What car matches the lousy interior of the Lexus?

    Audi..... "

    Considering my current car is the IS and my last car was an A4 - I would be in a better position to comment. Both are great designs. The Audi is simpler and the Lexus is more luxurious.

    My last car interior:
    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y52/jzalkin/Cars/IMG_4461.jpg

    "Next question"
    Sure - Why can't you admit that Lexus has a good product and a viable option?
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    As I indicated in my post, a G25 or G30 will be welcomed here. I've been advocating that for the past few years.
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