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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,704
    Ditto...

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,420
    Take the 911

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • What bmw board(s) would you recommend?

    Bimmerfest and e90 off the top of my head.

    It will be interesting to see when people start modding the 335. That's one of the beauties of turbo engines! I must admit I would be a bit leery of chipping a BMW--at least if the electrical issues I keep hearing about are true, and especially in a 1st year model which typically get new mappings in subsequent years (which can over-ride the mods)

    A guy named vishnu has created a piggyback type of ecu controller. You attach it on the outside, thus it's easily removed before you visit the dealership.
  • jzalkinjzalkin Posts: 56
    I went to the Miami Auto show last night and here are some of my thoughts:

    Infiniti:
    If you liked the previous G35, you will like the new one. If you did not - then the new car will probably not change your mind. The interior looks better (as do most newer Nissan's), but still seem a little off in terms of feel and flow. It is so hard to tell a G35 from a M35/45 in a glance - it takes a stare (will it help raise value of the G or cheapen the M? - time will tell)

    BMW:
    The new coupe is nice, but not that striking when it is surrounded by all other models. BMW interiors still seem to be a weak link of the car.

    Lexus:
    The new LS looks as a classier version of the 7 series. Interiors are nice, but each model seems to have the same feel from IS to LS. Just gets larger. It is easy to see how the new LS will retain loyalists and add a few sales based on the reaction the car was getting.

    Mercedes:
    Even the carpeting on their section was more plush than the others. High status, style without the BMW controversy and the sticker price to match.

    Jaguar:
    The new XK-R is great. Retains the beauty of the base model and makes it distinctive enough to show it is special. If the designer of this model works on the others - they may have something.

    Audi:
    VW and Audi are so much a like. Audi is loosing a little of its distinctiveness. No S8 there which was a let down. Audi lacked flair since the new model that they had was just a revised A4 Cab to have the new nose and engine. Anyone else dislike the new steering wheel also? It reminds me of a bumper car with the small round pad that sticks out. (I had an '04 A4 cab and loved that 3 spoke)

    Acura:
    The new MDX will be a hit - very nice. The S type TL did not get the attention that I thought it would. The TSX is an odd car - above a standard family car, but not quite the level of the BMW, Mercedes, Infiniti, etc. The MDX was the only car that people were really checking out.

    Hyundai:
    Not relevant to this discussion, but they had the best models (humans) by far. Looked at the Santa Fe because one asked us if we wanted to hear about it. Actually a nice SUV - a brand on the upswing.

    Lincoln:
    Whoa, what are they thinking? The Navigator is horrible compared to the Cadillac, Chevy, and GMC.

    Mercury:
    They know how to dress up a Ford. The Milan is very nice for the money.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I will wait until my run flats get worn and then I will replace them with normal tires.
    I will definitely be buying normal snow tires this November.
  • Way to go dewey; I am also buying a winter wheel/tire set for my 330i sprt next month. Thinking of Dunlop M3 DSSTs
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,591
    Nice write up. Every year I attend the New England "International" Auto Show (one of these days I'll have to road trip to NYC for the NYIAS. I attended that almost every year with my Dad and alone since probably the late 60s!) and consistently Hyundai has the best SWAG!

    I look forward to the NE show next month.

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • mariner7mariner7 Posts: 509
    I'd be less inclined to shop BMW and more willing to shop Infiniti in the entry-level-luxury segment.

    -- Washington Post

    No, it's not a BMW 3 Series. But it's without question the 3's biggest rival when it comes to luxury/performance sedans. Infiniti's G35 sedan, since its introduction, has possessed outstanding dynamics, brilliant styling and a low-rent price tag the Germans could only hope for. Now, with its engine fully updated, it's a true class leader.

    The G's revised 3.5-liter V6 makes an impressive 306 hp and 268 lb-ft of torque. But those numbers only tell part of the story. The rest becomes clear as the G's tach needle blasts straight past its old 6600-rpm redline on its way to a genuinely usable 7500 rpm. Those extra 900 revs allow the true enthusiast some serious involvement that would never happen with a lesser engine. Like, say, the 3.0-liter straight-6 in BMW's 330i.

    And the G will hold its own against the 3 in any handling showdown — our slalom tests show only 0.3-mph difference between the two in the slalom. Heck, I even prefer the G's chassis over the legendary Bimmer. And that just doesn't happen very often.


    -- Edmunds editor Jacquot

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=116681/pageId=10- 1741
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Mercedes:
    Even the carpeting on their section was more plush than the others. High status, style without the BMW controversy and the sticker price to match.


    What's the BMW controversy? It seems that most of the Mercedes loyalists I know, including a close friend who owned 4-5 pre-merger, would claim that BMW is "pure" whereas Mercedes has been "Chryslerized". Quality and reliability have suffered, the image tarnished, etc. If there is a controversy amoung these nameplates, it seems that Mercedes would be the one with more questions to answer.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I still have to do my research on winter tires. Is there a reason why you want to pick Dunlops M3 DSSTs?
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Infiniti's G35 sedan, since its introduction, has possessed outstanding dynamics, brilliant styling and a low-rent price tag the Germans could only hope for.

    A low price tag for a G35?

    For me all I want is a sport package and a manual tranny. The only available G35 that has a sport package and a manual tranny in Canada is a G35 Coupe M6 which sells for about $1K US$ less than my soon to be manual BMW335i sedan with a sport package.(I converted the CDN$ MSRP)

    I dont consider $1K less as a bargain basement price for a G35. But if I did not want a sport package and liked slushboxes then yes a G35 is a compelling choice. But such a G35 would be a car with limited appeal for someone who likes good handling.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,150
    I dont consider $1K less as a bargain basement price for a G35.

    Big difference between US and Canada. Edmunds is in the US, hence the quote.

    We're looking at something like a $6k difference here.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    That is why I would never consider buying an overpriced Infiniti G35.
    In Canada the BMW335i sedan/coupe is priced more agressively in relation to its competition.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,150
    i don't blame ya.

    now, is the G35 priced higher or the bimmer priced lower compared to the US? what's the base msrp of the 335 in CDN$?

    i'm just curious.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    49,990 CDN$ for a BMW 335i sedan.

    Compared to US prices the G35 and 335 are substantially higher in Canada than in the USA. Canadian pricing is almost always unfavorable when compared to US pricing. :(
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,150
    yup. Seems to be about 10% higher there.

    so I guess that means the G35 is about 26-27% higher than here. Ouch!

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • I think the G's interior and controls are just aweful, the styling is very feminine, the fuel 'econonmy' is weak, and the brake issues are too punitive for me to want to own one.

    The 335 has little to worry about.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,240
    Helpful review.

    Thanks.
  • jjdowjjdow Posts: 20
    First - thanks to all the posts here and in the other forums on BMW's. The 330i w/ Sport and Premium is my first Bimmer and I love it. I traded in a 6 yr old CLK430 and this is an upgrade for $15k + less.

    I almost allowed the RFT issue to keep me out of this car, but I'm glad I didn't. This car w/ Potenza's drives great and is quiet. I have 6K miles so far, and also have had no other reason to go to the dealer. My CLK would barely get 20K of miles on a set of tires, and I tried 3 different brands. That's to be expected w/ any car with staggered wheels that can't be rotated with these softer tires. If you dont have SP, then you can rotate and get more.

    The car is a little rough with the SP suspension and these tires on rough, patched up roads. But on a decent (not perfect) streets, and some of the new highways we have in Tx, this car is a dream to drive. Smooth, quiet, and it drives straight as an arrow without holding onto the wheel. It seems to drive better at 90 than 40. The cornering just at agreesive peeds is flat and smooth - awesome.

    Other points:
    1. As the car breaks-in, the quickness is improving. Its plenty quick, especially if you drive in manual.
    2. I really like the seats, and the adjustable air bladders on ht limbar and sides.
    3. I play my iPOD through the connector in the armwest - great soundquality! The stereo is very goos as I'm now gettting hi-def radio. turn it up a little an you wont hear anything.

    thanks again to all the helpful info that untilmately put me in the ultimate driving machine
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