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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans



  • I thought the last gen G was more feminine than the new one.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Agree....I've seen a car mag (autoweek?) test the S60R's 0-60 time in 5.4 seconds. Is that still slow ? :surprise:

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    You forgot the 1991 GMC syclone 0-60 in 4.6 and the 1992-93 GMC Typhoon 0-60 in 5.3 straight from the factory. ;)

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011

    a 335D sounds very interesting. Hmmmmm :surprise: You say it's going to be faster yet. :surprise: Holy Smokes ! I wonder how much more the diesel is going to cost ?

    It will be worth looking at especially if it get 35+ MPG and its faster yet. :surprise:

  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Does anyone have further details?

    Not good news. BMW diesels won't be coming here in the near future.

    From Reuters, Nov. 22

    While Volkswagen and Mercedes already sell diesels in the U.S. market, BMW has no plans to do so any time soon and declines to use the BLUETEC name, currently being used to help sell Mercedes-Benz E 320s that run on ultra low sulphur diesel in the U.S.

    The world's biggest premium carmaker [BMW], a fierce rival of DaimlerChrysler's luxury Mercedes brand, first wants to develop a urea-based technology to reduce nitrogen oxides before considering a sustained entry into the U.S. diesel market.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    When I first heard about this I thought to myself BMW won't go for this. They aren't going to work with Mercedes, VW and Audi on anything if they can help it. Cost is the only reason they took at seat at the hybrid table with them. That and their general don't care attitude about hybrids so they figure they'll let the others do most of the work and if it doesn't work about the loss will be minimal.

    I just knew BMW wasn't going to to participate here and use a Mercedes thought up name on one of their cars! Hell to the no!

  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    That's a loss for us for sure.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    the S60R's 0-60 time in 5.4 seconds. Is that still slow ?

    Compare to the benchmark (335i)... Yes.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    The Benchmark is 4.6 seconds set by the Cadillac CTS-V. I could take a nap waiting for 60 mph to hit in the 335i :P

  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Rocky, for the last f****** time, CTS-V is NOT an entry-level lux performance sedan. Just like the M3 and C-class AMG are not as well. When the Lexus IS500 comes out (if it does) it also would NOT be consider as one.

    What are the cars in this class? Please refer to the list on top of the board (Except the Saab 9-3 IMO. I would put the S60R in that place if one must).
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011

    Well if the CTS-V isn't a entry-level/luxury sedan then the 335i isn't either. The entry-level luxury car should be the BMW 328. ;) I also want to know how you became the judge of the forum of what is and what isn't a entry-lux car ? :surprise:

  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    How many of y'all think that CTS-V is an entry lux performance sedan and how many of y'all think that the 335i is one?

    My opintion:
    CTS-V NO
    335i YES
  • test the S60R's 0-60 time in 5.4 seconds. Is that still slow ?

    Yes. That's the last generation's numbers. The new mark is sub 5 seconds. :D
  • Agreed. CTS-V is positioned against the M5 not 3 series which is the benchmark for the class.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    The STS-V is positioned against the M5, The CTS-V is closer in size to the M3/335i

    I think it boils down to this....You guys are anti-gm and just because GM, makes a faster better performing car than BMW's 335i, y'all will say it doesn't compete. The funny thing is the CTS-V is the same size as the G35 and Acura TL, both of which you guys say competes with the 335i. :confuse:

    Leave your bias at home and recognize BMW, gets its butt handed to it on a Wreath and Crest platter. :mad:

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Well lets see what the AWD 335xi runs 0-60 ;)

  • could get a base 335 for 39k and change. You can't get a base CTSv for less than 50. Just going off sticker. RLee, your all over the place, and not making sense as usual. Keep up the good work.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,907
    that's tough ... but my answer would be the same for both, regardless of what that answer is.

    Why should size matter? The CTS is the smallest Caddy available, therefore its their entry-level car.

    If we wanted to get real strict, then we'd exclude the S60 we've been talking about because the S40 is slotted beneath it. Likewise, the TL is excluded because the TSX exists. So where is the line?

    Is it size? Is it price? Is it where it falls in the manufacturers lineup?

    There are more cars here besides the 335i, folks. Not everything needs to be measured against that car. Some folks don't want to spend $40k on a car that size. End of story.

    If I were to decide this talk includes the entry-level car from each luxo manufacturer, then, yes, the CTS is included. However, this also means the TL and S60 are excluded. If we decide all engine options for each car are included, then, yes, the 335i is allowed, as well as the CTS-V.

    HOWEVER, if we decide on a price cap, that could be a whole different story. It would include multiple entries from the same manufacturer, while excluding some from others. It kind of sounds like that's what some folks are shooting for here.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011

    So now your bringing in prices to justify the 335i. My god talk about being all over the place. Who in the heck is going to buy a $39K 335i with vinyl interior ? $44-45K is what the average 335i buyer will spend. Dude seriously you are the one who doesn't make sense !!!! I can admit when I'm wrong. Some of you have to "spin" other peoples responses to justify to yourself worth ?

    I'm not saying the CTS-V is a better all around car to own or drive but the test track results speak for themselves.

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011

    That was the best post on this forum to date IMHO.

    Thank-you ;)

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