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  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Correct me if I am wrong but dont you drive a 335i or 535i? Point being you, like me are into the engine output as well

    If I buy a GS350 (again, I cant affors it :) ) is it not true that its going to have more gadgets, more power, more modern interior (the keyless thing among other things) than a 528i. Thats got nothing to do with stats but is the reality. The more I pay, the more I need, that includes power and everything else that comes with it. Driving dynamics is something I will define, I will not let anyone else define it for me.

    Driving dynamics is a point you can raise for the comparison btwn a 535i to a GS350, there the dynamics come into play, certainly not for the 528i. I can assure you the driver of the GS350 is going to feel pretty good smoking that 528i ;)
  • billyperks2billyperks2 Posts: 378
    I am not taking sides here with the BMW fans because my next car will possibly be a GS 350.I just wanted to share this experience with you in regards to horsepower, I had a 2003 Acura TL Type S which boast 260 hp.My friend has a older 528I that has 198 hp and everytime we race he was down on my tail.You would think that a 260 hp would blow the doors off 198 hp bimmer.My point is, its not only hp that dermines a car's speed, its the torque, gear ratios, weight, driver etc etc.
    Another remarkable example- I saw a Mazda Miata beat a Ferrari and Porsche on Motorsport TV last Saturday-expalin that to me?
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    Also keep in mind that your question will be answered with more people leaning toward the TL, being that you are asking within the TL thread.
    I like the TL enough that I still pop in here from time to time, but me and my love for the G can't stand a chance against all these TL lovers.

    Ask the same question in the G forum and you'll get the exact opposite response.

    I still like these guys in the TL forum... even with their less than perfect choice in vehicle. :P ;) :blush:
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    You can get a 5 series for about 6-7k below MSRP via ED

    One can probably get a GS350 close to invoice now a days so that's already something like 4k below MSRP.

    By the way, does BMW pay for my ticket to Germany and all the room and boards? If not then maybe one should take that into consideration in order to make an apple to apple comparison which a good shopper always does.

    Also, let's not forget the rental car fee if this is your only car because I believe with ED one would have to turn in the car at the time of purchase if a trade-in is involved. Because the car doesn't arrive until something like 4 weeks after you took delivery in Germany.

    A smart and good shopper always takes every single penny into the consideration.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Best of luck to that GS owner should the road have a curve, bend, hill or really anything that requires some kind of chassis-athleticism.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    By the way, does BMW pay for my ticket to Germany and all the room and boards? If not then maybe one should take that into consideration in order to make an apple to apple comparison which a good shopper always does.

    It's called a vacation. ;) Some people take those. Sadly in the US we don't get nearly enough PTO. My last vacation was two weeks in Thailand in Nov, 07. Before that I spent a few weeks in Europe for my 06 ED. Whether I get a car or not, another trip to Europe will be in the cards.

    Also, let's not forget the rental car fee if this is your only car because I believe with ED one would have to turn in the car at the time of purchase if a trade-in is involved.

    There's a word for someone that trades in cars on purchase. Barnum used it...what is that word...

    A smart and good shopper always takes every single penny into the consideration.

    I could break all that down for you too but it'll get boring. Needless to say, Frequent Flyer miles are easy to create with credit cards and free hotel stays and/or great deals are easy to find too. :)
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,685
    Of course, if the "TL Lover" posts the facts (and opinions) regarding their choice of the TL over the G, then it is good food for thought for those requesting information. Of course, the buyer should do their own DD.

    If Fanboys simply scream that "X is better than Y" becuause Motor Trend and CR said so, so I bought "X," well, stay away from Syms. Because "An educated consumer is the best customer...!"

    1st Gen G, great car. An eye-opener in Munich no doubt. Gen 2, a lovel evolution. Hello, 300hp 3 series! Let's see what Honda does w/next gen TL...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • scottm123, I understand that pretty much everyone on this forum is going to be biased since 99% bought or plan to buy a TL, but that's part of the reason why I want to hear their opinions. I want to know what made them choose the TL over the G35 or the Lexus IS. Im glad you're on here too, because you allow me to see the other side of the coin.

    Thanks
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    It's called a vacation.

    I usually go somewhere else for vacations other than Europe. Also, what if my car buying schedule doesn't agree with my vacation schedule?

    Frequent Flyer miles are easy to create with credit cards and free hotel stays and/or great deals are easy to find too.

    I have frequent flyer miles too but I would rather use them for my "real vacations" instead of going to Europe and pick up the car. Also, I rather use my credit cards to create more meaningful incentives such as racking up thousands of dollars for my next Lexus purchase. ;)

    I understand that based on YOUR lifestyle ED is certainly a good and smart option for car shopping. However, let's keep in mind that it may not be the case across the board for every car shoppers out there.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Best of luck to that GS owner should the road have a curve, bend, hill or really anything that requires some kind of chassis-athleticism.

    The GS is no 5er but it'll hold its own on curvy and hilly roads.

    I've tried a GS350 through an autoX type of course before, although it is a bit on the soft side but it went through the course smoothly.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Naturally it's personal. ;)
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Look at the 0-60 & quarter mile times of the 528i and the GS350, The GS is still faster. I am just calling a spade a spade here.

    There is a general tendency for the X28i to be overrated, yes its a BMW but its not the real deal, the real deal is the X35i. I have respect for that car, its fast and if you tell me its got better driving dynamics, heck, I will believe you. In addition, you probably paid more than anyone else driving the ELLPS so you deserve to be faster. It boils down to the "more money I pay, more I need" argument. With the kind of performance you get for the X35i, the lack of other options available on other ELLPS becomes petty. Not on the X28i though
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    There is a general tendency for the X28i to be overrated,

    I'm not defending the X2.8 but clearly this is your humble opinion. I agree specificially with regards to you, you should pay more for more horsepower. Everybody doesn't think like that and BMW recognizes this.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I think that you are entirely too caught up in straight line acceleration, and if that's your only yardstick, go buy a WRX and be done with it. There are plenty of people who would consider the x28i over the x35i, and for many reason, me included. When I leased my 2002 530i I made the conscious decision NOT to get a 540i (or an M5 for that matter). Why? Because the 530i was plenty fast enough for my needs, wants and desires. I don't constantly need to prove my manhood by blowing every slammed Honda away at every light, I buy the car for me. Period, full stop, the end.

    Some time in the next year I'll be buying a new car, and the top five contenders are as follows:
    1) Audi 2.0T 6-Speed S-Line (via European Delivery)
    2) 2001-2003 BMW 530i Sedan 5-Speed Sport Package
    3) BMW 328i Coupe 6-Speed Sport Package (via European Delivery)
    4) BMW 328i Sedan 6-Speed Sport Package (via European Delivery)
    2) 2001-2002 BMW 540i Sedan 6-Speed Sport Package

    Notice that every one of those cars can be had with a bigger/badder/faster (and thirstier) engine. FWIW, the only reason why the 540i is on the list is that I really like E39s with a stick shift and lots of other goodies, goodies that are often hard to find in the 530i but yet seem to be on virtually every 540i from that vintage.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    I was not only looking at straight line acceleration, if you read my posts I also considered options available on these 2 cars and the Lex comes on top. WRX is not my piece of cake, in fact I was in a friends 400+ hp Pontiac GTO and that car is certainly not my piece of cake either, although its way faster than a 335i. Given a choice btwn the GTO and the 335i, I would take the 335i even if its more expensive.

    I agree speed is not everyone's concern, like I said, I want everything I can get for my money, that includes power, toys, luxury. I only consider cars within the ELLPS though, thats what I drive
  • jmessjmess Posts: 677
    I have been driving a C6 for 3 years and I hear you about speed. This car is wicked fast and I almost get tired of having to constantly monitor my speed. I tend to find cars that I can follow at a respectful distance just so I will keep the speed down. With the traffic flows where I live there are very few chances to really feel the speed and I have done the club racing game already. I am currently looking at moving to a wagon, possibly a 328i. It sucks getting old and becoming more rational.
  • riorebelriorebel Posts: 20
    Actually, I admitted that my main reason for buying a TL-S over a G35 was my wife's taste. That doesn't sound very fanboish to me. :)

    That being said, I am very happy with my choice, and I don't regret it in the least.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Let us know how you like it. The 328it fascinates me because of its more utilitarian shape while still offering RWD and a manual.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,770
    Well, sjaieve settled the discussion. He's looking at cars and he prefers the straighline acceleration and plethora of gadgets in the Lexus compared to the "base model" 528i. You're in your late 20's and want a GS? My late 20's weren't THAT long ago (I'll be 32 in April) and I didn't want anything as big, heavy, quiet, and burdened by a slushbox car like the GS. To each his own. Good luck!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    In my 20's, I had an Alfa Spider, a Sentra SE-R, and a Miata. Why on earth would a 20-something want to own a 4000 lb slush box land-barge like the GS?!?!

    Oh well, whatever floats your boat grandpa.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    I really want to end this but just felt I had to respond to this. If you read all my posts I said I cannot afford a GS350 so I have never looked at buying one but someone posed the question if I would consider a base 5 series, and I said never. There are better cars e.g. the GS350 cos it gives more bang for the buck and I dont buy base models anymore etc etc etc. I drive a car in the ELLPS segment, my money follows where my mouth/posts is/are. We can repeat he arguments all over again but lets move on. I cant convince you in as much as you cant convince me.

    Now how about the A3 or IS250 comparison. I still insist its a tough choice
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,289
    "Like buttah."

    Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full.

    I've owned two straight sixes in my life, and both were wonderful. One was in my 240Z and the other was my Cummins 350. I owned them both at the same time, and the switch between them was interesting, but pleasant.

    I wanted the third to be a BMW, but I've bored many with my rants on RFTs and the dipstick thing (how far away is the sealed hood -- only the dealer can open it?). So, not for now.

    Maybe later. We'll see.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Just replaced my RFTs on my cooper - did the same with my e90 - and wow. Nice difference. As for what happens with a flat: the American Express Business card comes with free roadside assistance.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Pontiac GTO and that car is certainly not my piece of cake either, although its way faster than a 335i

    Or not. Well that not entirely true it's .2 seconds faster for having 100 more hp.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Agreed 100%. 335i is still a much better car IMO than the GTO irrespective of the HP difference. Like I said, I have respect for the 335i, I might not buy it but thats besides the point.
  • chirocatchirocat Posts: 73
    You should also ask yourself how you are going to use the car. If you are going to be using it on the track vs a daily driver. Then ask how you drive, some of these cars have very little torque and have to be revved to get average acceleration, as I get older I find it more irritating. Last December I narrowed the choice down to a TL-S, a G35, a CTS-V and a few others. I went with the TL-S and it's pretty much the perfect daily driver. Sure I notice the torque steer and it may only do the 1/4 mile in 14.1, but I can't really use all of that on a daily basis anyway. The other stuff, it's amazing Honda reliability, compliant ride, and upscale interior make daily driving pleasant. The slick 6 speed manual is a joy to row and the engine has enough torque that I can dust 95% of the cars without even engaging the V-Tec. The best part is that despite a heavy foot in the city part of my commute and a median speed of 80 mph on the freeway, I still average 23 MPG. I have just over 3k miles so the mileage might even get better. It's hard to beat this combo. If it was RWD it would be even better. Next year they are talking SH-AWD but I doubt it will have a manual box, so my next car will probably be a 335 or similar.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Oh well, whatever floats your boat grandpa.

    Yeah, that's the spirit, keep it up so people will just turn their backs to this board...

    I am in my 20s, although I wouldn't want a GS/5/E right now but I can understand why those who does. Different people have different priorities you know, grandpa!
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Yeah, that's the spirit, keep it up so people will just turn their backs to this board...

    Like fed, nyccarguy has been on these boards for a long time and does have a sense of humor, newbie :)
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "Yeah, that's the spirit, keep it up so people will just turn their backs to this board..."

    I like reading your posts Louiswei (you provide good balance around here), but you need to lighten up a little.

    I mind my P's and Q's when I'm at the office or at a formal social - but around here, I don't feel obliged to frame my thoughts and carefully phrase them to ensure I don't ruffle anyone's feathers.

    If someone doesn't like the heat, I'm fine with them staying out of the kitchen. In Sjaieve's case, I think he expressed himself quite well and doesn't need a big brother to step in.

    Ok, time to recharge my flamethrower. Who's next? :blush:
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    I wasn't stepping in for anybody, I just don't like what I saw that's all.

    To be honest, there is a difference between "lighten up a little" and "belittle the fellow posters due to different point of view". Maybe I had the wrong interpretation but that doesn't mean I can't voice my differences.

    Yeah, keep your flamethrower charged up because you'll need it if you keep it up. ;)
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