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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

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  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,774
    Don't see how your comment is relevant to my comment. :surprise:
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    Yeah.. as I've said numerous times before if you are THAT concerned with snow, just get 4x4 as it actually does work like it should. I can guarantee that my friend's 4Runner will outperform almost any AWD system on almost any surface.

    But of course, it's big, expensive, and eats lots of gas and all of that... And you can't use the 4x4 mode on pavement. Then again, you really don't NEED to given how well it drives.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,676
    I vote for a boat-car...imagine the possibilities.

    Plus safety...
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    Heh.

    Of course, I was being a little bit sarcastic there. :P But I think I also have a valid point in that if you are looking for a "luxury performance sedan", AWD is a minor concern compared to all of the other factors. Because the fact is that most of them will be RWD or heavily RWD biased anyways. You will need winter tires if you want to drive it during the winter months.

    It just makes more sense to spend the extra $1500 on a second set of rims and winter tires and just swap them every 6 months or so.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    None of these cars are being raced at nascar. Even the 750 comes with awd these days.

    Meh I would rather go for the awd instead of a second set of rims. Awd is more useful in more situations than two plus snows.

    10 years I probably would have been preaching being a purist. Now I just want to enjoy my ride and I don't care if I'm getting the last ounce of performance from it. Or if the awd system is front biased, rear biased, full time or part time. I just don't want to get stuck.

    As an aside 4 snow tires on an awd car can out everything a rwd car in slick conditions.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,904
    I'm with you regarding AWD. I've seen all the tests & read all the arguments. I know that a RWD car equipped with snow tires & all of today's electronic nannies will be lighter and therefore brake better & outmaneuver the exact same car with all season tires & AWD. 2 of my 3 cars ('01 Prelude & '10 TSX) are FWD and I equip them with 4 snow tires during the winter months. Do the snow tires provide phenomenal grip & awesome traction in the white stuff? Absolutely. Are they perfect? No.

    Changing over isn't that simple, nor is it cheap. My Prelude has a dedicated set of 15" steel wheels which the snow tires are mounted on. I store them where I work and have the changeover done by a "Fix-A-Flat" place up the block. They charge me $30 each time I changeover.

    I didn't buy an extra set of wheels for my TSX, just a set of snow tires. I have to jam 3 tires into the trunk and put one in the front seat. My Acura dealer charges $100 for a snow tire changeover that includes dismounting, remounting, & balancing.

    They don't plow particularly well where I live in Stamford, CT (10 miles from the NY State border), nor do they salt due to the high concentration of well water. This past winter was particularly bad, but I can see how AWD can and will be useful in the future.

    Every BMW & Mercedes-Benz that's not an ///M (besides the X5 M & X6 M) or AMG, 6, Z4, SL, or SLK is All Wheel Drive that I see in NY & CT.

    Besides, my mere average driving skills won't let me squeeze the all out performance out of a RWD, SP Equipped BMW anyway.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,038
    I was commenting on the jist of the whole conversation.....not your particular comment.
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,774
    OK, understood, no problem! I'd agree that a tow truck ought to be 4wd!
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,545
    Actually.... most tow trucks are 2WD...

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  • thewolf49thewolf49 Posts: 1
    edited August 2011
    Hello all,
    I'm new to the forum and I need some help choosing a used, two to three year old sedan, that has some power behind it. I'm looking at:

    2008 Acura TL
    2009 Nissan Maxima
    2012 V6 Mustang
    2009 Honda Accord Coupe (AT)
    2008 Infiniti G35
    2010 Nissan Altima 3.5 SR

    Please consider reliability and maintenance costs for these vehicles when making suggestions. I want this car to last. You guys on this forum know tons more than me when it comes to this.

    Please feel free to make suggestions as to which cars I may be forgetting about in my search.

    Thanks!!
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,914
    I realize the above post doesn't fit 100% here, but I didn't want it hanging out there all alone in a separate discussion where no one would find it. I figured you'd all be helpful enough here.

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  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,306
    edited August 2011
    My pick of the group would be either the Acura or the G35. The Acura will be bulletproof from a reliability standpoint, as are all Hondas, plus which the '08s don't have that horrible beak that started the following year -- very nice looking car. I'd probably be driving a TL Type S today if the rear seats folded down, which they don't. As a result, I have an '08 TSX that I really like, except for the fact that the wrong pair of wheels is being driven, which brings us to . . .

    The G35. I've had great luck with Nissan over the decades, and lots of people enjoy the G series. Rear-wheel-drive has a number of advantages in a performance-oriented car, but the engine in this guy is the same one they use across the board, from the Pathfinder to the Z-car. It's a bit thirsty and noisy I'm told, but solid as a rock. Our '04 Pathfinder has over 106K miles on it and has had absolutely no issues at all beyond a couple of little things related to the parking brake.

    Enjoy your search. All cars these days are so much better than they used to be that it's pretty hard to go wrong.
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,774
    2008 Acura TL
    2009 Nissan Maxima
    2012 V6 Mustang
    2009 Honda Accord Coupe (AT)
    2008 Infiniti G35
    2010 Nissan Altima 3.5 SR


    TL - I have an '05 and it has been bulletproof for 111K miles. Not a fabulous handler, it wallows a bit in turns. Lots of power but some torque steer (automatic tranny).
    Maxima - no experience. They're kind of rare around here.
    Mustang - less refined, which can be good or bad. Not so sure about long term reliability.
    Accord - probably very reliable
    Infiniti - sporty, narrower interior, powerful but growlier engine. Should be reliable.
    Altima - no experience, probably a good car, but maybe cheaper interior?
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    You can't go wrong with any of them. Get the one that you like best.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,914
    I tend to agree - the RWD options are going to offer a different driving experience, so you'd have to test drive a few to see if it's for you. In fact, they're all quite different, but there's not a "bad" choice on the list.

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  • 22332233 Posts: 64
    I currently drive a 04 Infiniti G35 AWD and my wife drives an 07 G 35 AWD. Both are great cars. They handle very well on dry, wet and snow pavements.

    My daughter owns a 09 Accord and I would also rate that highly. My other daughter drives 2010 Altima, 4 cylinder. Both are very reliable and handle well for front drive vehicles. Neither handle as well as the G35s.

    I've owned a TL and an MDX in the past and had transmission problems with both. Acura still has many transmission issues. They are front wheel drive and while not as bad as some FWDs, they handle a bit jittery. You can't beat rear wheel drive cars like the G35s. The Gs only revert to all wheel drive when it detects slippage.

    The Maxima is a nice car but is front wheel and also is a bit jittery in the handling dept. Very reliable.

    I would rate the cars you listed in this order: the G 35, the Altima, the Accord, the Maxima and the Acura TL dead last.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    I'd add another one to the short list - a Holden Commodore (Pontiac G8).

    Great car. Basically a working man's CTS without the bling and silly styling. Since GM ditched Pontiac (since the car is still made in Australia, repairs aren't an actual problem).

    I'd say a used CTS as well, but there's no point in getting a used CTS when the Pontiac is almost the same thing.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,914
    I had the RWD-only version of the G35. While I rate it among the best vehicles I've ever owned ($0 in repairs, only regular maintenance til it was totaled at 108K miles), the RWD version was about the worst vehicle I've ever owned for anything but a dry day. I'd only recommend it for heavy snow areas if the owner were driving mostly on major roads, and/or had a great set of snow tires.

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  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,563
    As a G8 GT driver [ 2009 - over 40,000 miles, so far ] and having driven a number of CTS sedans [ including a couple of CTS-v sedans ] I see the G8 as lacking much of the ‘luxury’ aspect I think most people expect in this class. The CTS has a more luxurious interior than any G8. And more luxury-oriented options [ in-dash navigation, for example ] are available on the CTS.

    Comparing the G8 GT’s power and acceleration and handling - the ‘performance’ aspect of this class, the G8 GT is far superior to any [non ‘v’ ] CTS that I have driven.

    YMMV.
    - Ray
    Seduced by power and torque, once again . . .
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    The original poster did have the Mustang and the Accord v6 in his list, though, so I think the car is fair to add to the list. And it's certainly a very good vehicle. I drove a G37 and this just a day apart and the G8 was simply a better vehicle all-around. Much better though out and just more solid.

    Comparing the G8 to the Mustang, as much as I love the new Mustang, the G8 is far superior.
  • pr2azpr2az Posts: 1
    Considering and comparing 2012 TL, C300 and G37X. Based on performance and reliability what are the general impressions and thoughts. Should we be considering another vehicle as well? This would probably be a lease.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,600
    How 'bout the 3-Series BMW?
  • 22332233 Posts: 64
    The run flat tires are a deal breaker for me. I recently drove the 328xi and the X3. Both were very nice.

    Most posters say the run flats are loud, expensive, and do not handle as well as non run flats. Most dealerships and tire stores do not stock run flats. If you get a flat tire, you can drive it 100 or so miles but it then must be replaced, not repaired. If you are several hundred miles from home, especially on a weekend, you will be stranded for up to 3 days waiting for the expensive tire to arrive at the dealer or tire store. You can change the tires to non run flats, but the storing of a spare could be problematic since no space is alloted for a spare.

    I would rate the G37 first of the ones you mentioned. Great handling, good looking, and very reliable. The TL would be the last vehicle I'd buy. I've owned 2 Acuras but never again. The C class is nice but reliabilty problems are a concern.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,613
    edited August 2011
    I like the G37X, but the horrible mileage is tough to live with. My G35X could never get above 21mpg.

    I'm curious, though, why the G37X vs the C300? A closer comparison would be the G25 vs C300 or C350 vs G37.

    Personally, if AWD is a must, I'd be looking at the S60, too.

    No big, heavy FWD sedans for me.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,600
    Infinitis are what your say, and I would add so-so gas mileage and loud engine ("exhaust note") from a start, to the point of being intrusive.....still overall not a bad choice If I were to acquire a new or late model Infiniti, I'd lease rather than buy though.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,904
    It all depends on your driving style & what is important to you (performance, style, interior comfort, features, trunk space, rear passenger space, driving dynamics...). Especially if you are leasing, all the cars you mentioned will be covered by their respective factory warranties for the duration of your lease (& probably beyond). Reliability should pretty much a non-issue.

    Mercedes has been running some insanely cheap lease deals lately. Especially on leftover 2011 C300 4Matics (the most popular C around here).

    I'm a pretty big fan of Hondas. We own 3. Yes the TL is nose heavy & is front wheel drive, but Acuras drive pretty nice. They are "sporty." They are far from floaty, but very comfortable. Interior appointments are fantastic, it offers generous front & rear accomodations, a decent sized trunk, lots of tech for the dollar.

    Im curious as to why the OP is checking out the G37 as opposed to the G25 as well. The G37X is a bonafide road rocket. You get 326 hp and a proper RWD chassis. Even though the X denotes AWD, it is still RWD most of the time. Infiniti has some seriously good factory backed leasing. Coupled with a $1000 dealer incentive (not customer incentive) & 2% holdback, you can lease one very cheap.

    How good is the G37X? I'm trying to convince my wife that we should dump our perfectly good 2010 TSX (bought 8/29/09) with 39K miles and 3 years left to payoff so I can lease the G37X & save $100 a month as opposed to driving the TSX until the wheels fall off.

    Definitely check out the BMW 328i. The 3 series is a fantastic driver's car. Very sharp reflexes. Excellent driving dynamics. It is a little tight in the back seat & the trunk is tiny too.

    Good luck & keep us posted with what you get.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • 22332233 Posts: 64
    I would agree that the mileage on the G 37 is not great but you are driving a forced induction muscle car of sorts. On the expressway, I get 23 mpg.

    We have a 04 G35X and a 07 G35X. The exhaust on the 2004 is definitely loud but I hardly notice the exhaust on the newer 2007. I notice the exhaust more now that I replaced the tires with Michelins on the 04. There is a clear difference in the newer Gs re the exhaust sound. You may not even notice the exhaust on the new Gs.

    I will probably buy an EX35 soon. I want something small with folding seats. Some consider this a G37 with a little more storage. The EX is something to consider even though it is technically not a sedan but the smallest crossover on the market. Infiniti has some nice incentives now.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,613
    it is not forced induction, FYI. Forced induction means supercharger or turbocharger, of which the G37 has neither.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • 22332233 Posts: 64
    You are correct. I misspoke re the forced induction. I've read numerous posts re forced induction mods on the G.

    I guess I meant to say that the G is a beast even without forced induction which several competitors use such as the BMW 335.
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Posts: 216
    Not driving a 3 series because of the tires is ludicrous.

    Get an 08 or 09 335i.
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